I don't know what to do with Radiation

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I am devastated today and I can't control my tears, I was diagnosed with BC on December 2nd, 2013. I had RX on January 16th, 2014. My pathology report shows the following: I had 4 masses 1.5x1x1cm and then 1x1cm and then 2 smaller ones 2mm and 4mm, I had ALND: 12 removed with 3 affected. I have IDC. Strong family history with BC (mom had a tiny tumor 14mmx19 - hers was PR/ER+), 2 aunts with BC one of them had very advanced BC in one breast and had to do chemo, the other also did lumpectomy and radiation. My tumor was triple +. I am young 35, they were all diagnosed at ages 55-60. Today I saw a second MO for a second opinion and here is why I am confused. 

First MO: 4DD AC followed by 12 weekly Taxols (8 cycles) and no radiation then hermonal therapy including Herceptin- this MO is not betting the farm on Herceptin.

Second MO: 3 FEC followed by 3 taxanes then hermonal therapy (6 cycles) - this MO is betting everything on Herceptin BUT she had a consultation with RO and she said that he will have to irradiate everything: breast, armpit and shoulder area.

Here is what I know, I had a RX and ALND (which I am no where near over yet - I still have major problems with my upper arm and lymphedema is looking very real for me right now) to avoid radiation. I know that they do SLNB and either proceed with dissection or radiation but not both. If I radiate my armpit I am dealing with full blown lymphedema for sure...I don't want to roll the dice but I don't want to be disabled for the rest of my life...I don't know what to do..My main concern is the radiation, I just don't know if it is worth it for me..isn't the chemo and the Herceptin meant to take care of the tumor cells that are still floating around, I would have been ok with irradiating the breast but also the arm pit (especially given that I DID HAVE ALND).

I am still waiting on my BRCA results. Please help me if you were ever in a situation similar to mine.

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  • SelenaWolf
    SelenaWolf Member Posts: 1,724
    edited January 2014

    This is a VERY personal choice and it's regrettable that you are facing it while still in shock with what's happening to you.

    First, it's not always possible to avoid radiation, even if you have a mastectomy.  It may be recommended for you if: 1) the surgical margins are too close; or 2) the tumor(s) were close enough to the chest wall to make your treatment team nervous.  You need to ask your treatment team their reasons for recommending radiation, so that you understand YOUR situation clearly.  This is important for you, so that you can make an informed decision about your options.

    Second, radiation - like surgery - is, primarily, for local disease control.  It's to help prevent a local recurrence.  There is, also, recent research that demonstrates that radiation, also, provides some protection against a metastatic recurrence, but it's primary benefit is for local disease control.

    Third, chemotherapy - as you already know - is for systemic disease control.  It's, likely, being recommended because of: 1) your age; and 2) your nodal status.  Your cancer is, already, demonstrating it's desire to spread and, since medical imaging cannot find each- and every cancer cell that may be floating around, chemotherapy is the standard-of-care.  Herceptin is being recommended because you are HER2+, which can be a particularly aggressive form of breast cancer.

    And, finally, hormonal therapy is being recommended because you are ER/PR+.  Tamoxifen is the hormone treatment of choice for pre-menopausal women.

    While your chances of developing lymphadema are increased with the ALND and radiation, it's not always a given that you will develop full-blown lymphadema.  Again, you will have to talk with your treatment team about WHY radiation is being recommended for YOU.  Ask them what they are basing their decision on.  Ask them to explain all the benefits- and risks YOU will be taking if you agree- or decline.  Ask them what they are hoping to achieve with the radiation.  Ask them to demonstrate how much of a recurrence benefit it will be for you.  Write everything down if you need to.

    Then, the hardest part: you will have to sit down and figure out if the benefit that radiation will provide (in combination with all the other treatment you will be receiving) out-weighs the risks.  You may find that radiation may be right for you; you may find that it isn't.  But YOU have to be comfortable with what you have decided.  And, once you have made that decision, try not to second-guess yourself.  Know that, whatever it is, it is right for YOU.

    Good luck.

  • Kicks
    Kicks Member Posts: 4,131
    edited January 2014

    "disabled for the rest of your life"?  Say What?  I've dealt with LE (lymphedema) for the last 4 yrs and I can assure you that it has not made me "disabled for the rest of my life"!  - if anything it has made me stronger as a person.  Do I deal with it daily - ya betcha! - but it does not slow me down at all. 

    I did neoadjuvant A/C, UMX and adjuvant Taxol.  During Taxol is when my LE showed it's head.  Rads followed Taxol.  Yes, I did have rads even though I'd had ALND.  . 

    There is no absolute as to what is done!  We are each very unique - as are our Drs. 

    You are the one who makes your decision.  Just how I see life - it is to be lived in any way/ as best we can - dwell on the positive and negate the negstive.  When I hit 1 yr post DX, all my Drs I was still seeing told me they never thought I'd make it a year being IBC - I always knew I would.   

  • Lily55
    Lily55 Member Posts: 3,534
    edited January 2014

    i had radiation up to collarbone and armpit post mastectomy and full axilla clearance including rad boosters, i made sure i exercised my arm regularly and stretched and kept it above heart level every evening and i havenot  had any LE in arms but a little truncal.......I am now 16 months post last rads 

    Hope this helps

  • SelenaWolf
    SelenaWolf Member Posts: 1,724
    edited January 2014

    I had 7 nodes removed, not a full ALND, and I had radiation to the underarm, neck, collarbone and shoulder, as well as the breast.  I finished 25 radiation treatments in February 2012 and, thus far, I have not had any problems with lymphadema.  I have noticed that my skin in those areas in a bit more reactive and I am careful to ensure that I don't injure that shoulder while gardening or playing sports.

    My mother had a complete ALND with her first mastectomy (no radiation) and has not suffered any lymphadema on that side for over forty years.  For her second mastectomy eight years ago, she had only 3 nodes removed (no radiation) and she has some mild lymphadema on that side.  Go figure.  But she does as Lily55 does; she stretches that arm every day and does exercises, and it has not hindered her life at all.

    That is not to say your concerns aren't real or valid, but you do need to find out more information so that you can make an informed decision about what is right for YOU.

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