Meeting with Dr. Becker next Friday

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  • Helensamia123
    Helensamia123 Member Posts: 48
    edited November 2013


    ok the last link... Think I would just like to spend 18 months in Italy ...I am sure that would do wonders for my LE!!! LOL



    http://www.lymphedemapeople.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=1098


    This is from a forum on Lymphoedema people..

  • HappyTrisha
    HappyTrisha Member Posts: 614
    edited November 2013


    By the way, I hate the new emoticons. So jerky!


    Helensamia123, thanks for that final link! The first post was written in 2007, so Dr. Campisi was doing his surgery back then and apparently before then. Wow.

  • HappyTrisha
    HappyTrisha Member Posts: 614
    edited November 2013


    For such a supposedly forward-thinking country, does anyone else notice how woefully behind the times we are with so much of our medicine? Once again, we find treatments that have going on in other countries for decades, and yet we always manage to learn about this stuff quite accidentally. If I hadn't been researching on the internet, I wouldn't have come across the Campisi article. And I found that quite by accident.


    It makes you wonder just how current our medical system actually wants to be. Lots of $$$$ tied into the medical industry, and they hold hands tightly with the pharmaceutical companies and the FDA.


    Discouraging to say the least.

  • PinkHeart
    PinkHeart Member Posts: 1,193
    edited December 2013


    Today is my one year anniversary of my LNT-lymph node transfer surgery that Dr. Kline, Charleston, SC did during my Stage 2 natural breast reconstruction surgery.



    I'm so happy to report that lymphdema in my arm has not occured since! Fingers crossed this is good for life. I will still wear my sleeve to fly or drive long distance. I have a hardly used LymphoPress machine paid for by insurance ($7,000?) that I plan to donate to someone in need. My PT-CLT said I should hang on to it for a few years so will do that.


    Wishing the very best outcomes possible for all other LE patients!

  • HappyTrisha
    HappyTrisha Member Posts: 614
    edited December 2013


    Wow PinkHeart, that is fantastic!!!!! Did they take nodes from your groin on the opposite side? I'd like to hear more about how exactly they did it, if you don't mind sharing!

  • PinkHeart
    PinkHeart Member Posts: 1,193
    edited December 2013


    HappyTrisha,


    Yes, Dr Kline took nodes from groin on opposite side. It was actually a mini flap with nodes and artieries that needed to be anastomized (sewn/connected) to artery in axilla. There was no skin paddle like you see in natural breast reconstruction. The scar from the donor site is very faint now. However, the scar at transfer site in axilla was still noticeable in some tank tops this summer. Probably because he has had to work so many times on that ugly radiated side in stages. At post-op appointment of my most recent surgery #10 last month (which was fat grafting only and first time no drains-yay!), he told me that he would not work on my rads breast anymore until July 2015 because each time they go into that area they are disturbing the lymphatics/nodes and they need more time to grow.


    If having LNT surgery alone it would be about 2.5 hours but mine was 7 as it was combined with stage 2 breast recon SGAP surgery. A PT-CLT wrapped my arm in hospital before and after surgery. My vessels were challenging as he said smallest ever to sew together and used thinnest suture thread on market. It should be a breeze for other patients having LNT only.

  • Helensamia123
    Helensamia123 Member Posts: 48
    edited December 2013

    Just a quick link to my latest blog post that is in three parts... It was sent to me by a lady who had breast cancer then Lymphedema.. She has had surgery in Chicago.. Lymph node transfer and lymphatic bypass.. She is happy for questions which you can post as a comment on the blog and I will pass them on.. The last part will be posted on 24th December.. 

    http://lymphnodetransplant.wordpress.com/2013/12/23/part-2-breast-cancer-lymphedema-and-lymph-node-transfer/

    Also wishing everyone a Happy holiday season, Christmas and New Year 🎄🎅🎄🎅🎄🎅 Helen 

  • PinkHeart
    PinkHeart Member Posts: 1,193
    edited December 2013

    Helen, Thanks for sharing this blog. Looking forward to part three. 

  • Helensamia123
    Helensamia123 Member Posts: 48
    edited December 2013

    you are very welcome... By sharing we learn and progress.. 

  • Nordy
    Nordy Member Posts: 2,106
    edited January 2014

    PinkHeart! Hurray!!! I am SO happy for you! And Helensamia - thank you for sharing that link! I continue to fight my insurance on VLNT. I have gone all the way up the chain of command (to the people who actually wrote the policy - the hospital is self funded so they do pretty much whatever they want) and am now just waiting... So it is really, really good to hear some success stories, even if my opportunity to have it done may only be a dream.

  • Mamacath
    Mamacath Member Posts: 20
    edited January 2014

    Anyone have any thoughts on this--different than the lymph node transfer.  

    Plast Reconstr Surg. 2013 Nov;132(5):1305-14. doi: 10.1097/PRS.0b013e3182a4d626.

    A prospective analysis of 100 consecutive lymphovenous bypass cases for treatment of extremity lymphedema.

    Chang DW, Suami H, Skoracki R.



    Author information

    any

    Abstract

    BACKGROUND:

    The authors prospectively evaluated the efficacy of lymphovenous bypass in patients with lymphedema secondary to cancer treatment.

    METHODS:

    The authors prospectively enrolled 100 consecutive patients with extremity lymphedema secondary to cancer treatment. Sixty-five patients underwent lymphovenous bypass with indocyanine green fluorescent lymphangiography. Evaluation included qualitative assessment and quantitative volumetric analysis before and 3, 6, and 12 months after bypass.

    RESULTS:

    Lymphovenous bypass was performed in 89 upper extremities and 11 lower extremities. For upper extremity lymphedemas, the mean preoperative volume differential was 32 percent. Symptom improvement was reported by 96 percent of patients and quantitative improvement was noted by 74 percent. The overall mean volume differential reduction was 33 percent at 3 months, 36 percent at 6 months, and 42 percent at 12 months after surgery. The mean volume differential reductions at 3, 6, and 12 months after lymphovenous bypass in patients with stage 1 or 2 lymphedema (58, 52, and 61 percent, respectively) were significantly larger than those in the patients with stage 3 or 4 lymphedema (12, 16, and 17 percent, respectively). Eleven bypasses were performed in seven patients with lower extremity lymphedema, with a mean preoperative volume differential of 38 percent. Only four (57 percent) of these patients reported symptom improvement; postoperative volume measurements were available for only two of these four.

    CONCLUSIONS:

    Lymphovenous bypass can be effective in reducing lymphedema severity, particularly in patients with early-stage upper extremity lymphedema. Indocyanine green lymphangiography accurately identified functional lymphatic vessels and may have a role in objectively assessing lymphedema severity and patient selection.

  • toomuch
    toomuch Member Posts: 901
    edited January 2014

    Wow! Finally a published study on the efficacy of surgery for LE. Dr. Chang is a professor of plastic surgery at MD Anderson. 89 women with UE LE is a small number but this is encouraging!

  • Binney4
    Binney4 Member Posts: 8,609
    edited January 2014

    Mamacath, it would be helpful to read the full study. This doesn't tell us, for instance, if there was a control group and, if so, how they fared with quantitative reduction. It also doesn't explain what method was used to obtain measurements, whether the measuring methods were consistent over the course of the study or done by different therapists under varying conditions--and as we all know only too well, that can be a huge variable! It doesn't note what other interventions were used during the follow-up period (were these patients concurrently wearing garments, seeing therapists for MLD, doing self-mld, using pumps, getting regular exercise, etc., and had they been doing so before the surgery or not?) And it doesn't record any side-effects, though we do know some are possible with this surgery. Reading the full study would help us interpret these results in a more helpful context. Hopefully we'll be able to get a hold of the full study to answer some of these questions.

    (BTW, Dr. Chang is no longer with MD Anderson--I understand he's moved to the University of Chicago.)

    Thanks, Mamacath. Be well!
    Binney

  • toomuch
    toomuch Member Posts: 901
    edited January 2014

    I used Google Scholar and typed in "A prospective analysis of 100 consecutive lymphovenous bypass cases for treatment of extremity lymphedema. " and the first entry it returned was the full article in pdf format which I could open. It was a prospective study without any controls. Participants were instructed to wear the garments and continue their previous compression therapy (does this mean MLD?) at 4 weeks post op. An LE therapist used a Perometer to perform a circumference measurement every 0.5 cm to calculate the total volume of the limb. The volume measurements were performed 3 times and the average of these 3 volume measurements was used. The article does indicate how many LETs were involved in obtaining the measurements nor is the post op LE care made uniform for all of the participants. There were NO incidents of LE becoming worse after surgery and with UE LE a significant percent of women with Stage 1 and 2 LE had a measurable improvement. There was a less significant improvement in Stage 3 and 4 LE extremities. The article seems to indicate that women were required to continue to wear garments after the surgery.

    Seeing this article published gives me hope, it means that there are physicians who are willing to collect scientific data and report it which takes some of the mystery out of these procedures. No doubt, more studies and participants are needed.

  • Amoc1973
    Amoc1973 Member Posts: 158
    edited January 2014

    I've met with Dr Skoracki and discussed the bypass & LNT. He said most people still have to wear their sleeve after. 17% don't after LNT & around 10% don't after bypass. But he said there was usually improvement. And less than 1% chance of either worsening the lymph or developing new lymphedema from donor site but there was a very small chance. I live in Houston. These 2 docs who did study are at MD Anderson. I'd imagine there isnot a lot of controls in this type of study. But who knows if the edema would've improved over the same time w/o the surgery....? Mine has improved over time & I don't wear my sleeve much anymore. I do wear it w workouts, flying, & other high risk times. 

  • carol57
    carol57 Member Posts: 3,567
    edited January 2014

    I'm a bit cynical about the lack of research to support the various surgical solutions, and as Binney points out, there are many variables that can obscure results. The answer to the 'variables' problem is to do lots more rigorous and robust research, with carefully defined measurement and treatment protocols, etc., and with long-term patient followup. But I SO agree with toomuch that it is heartening to see some research.  I hope that these and any other brave surgeons willing to put their pioneering work out for the medical, research and patient communities to review will spur others to jump on the research bandwagon.

  • PinkHeart
    PinkHeart Member Posts: 1,193
    edited April 2014



    I think this has already been posted here, but here is a link to video of Dr. Chang's LE surgeries.  BTW, Dr. Chang left MD Anderson and is now at University of Chicago. 

    http://lymphedemahope.com/blog/reknowned-doctor-presents-free-video-lecture-on-surgical-treatment-of-lymphedema/

    Also, here is a patient's story about her leg lymphedema, and how her surgery with Dr. Chang gave her life back, and there are before and after pictures, too. 



    http://lymphnodetransplant.wordpress.com/2013/07/01/christines-surgery-with-dr-chang/



  • HappyTrisha
    HappyTrisha Member Posts: 614
    edited May 2014

    So my latest venture is to set up an appointment with Dr. Chang in Chicago.  I have a tentative appointment scheduled for June 16th.  I am going to have lymphoscintigraphy done here and then have the results sent to Dr. Chang.  He will be able to tell whether I am a candidate for venous bypass after he reviews the results.  If I am, I will definitely go ahead with my appointment.  If I'm not, I'm pretty sure I will cancel because I still can't come to terms with nodal transplant.

    Hope everyone is doing well!

    :)

  • PinkHeart
    PinkHeart Member Posts: 1,193
    edited May 2014

    HappyTrisha,

    Hoping you find treatment that is best for you in resolving or reducing your lymphedema. So far my lymph node transfer was a success!

    That said, I am considering a consult with Dr. Chang about surgery for my severe axillary webbing/ cording. I am going to call first to ask how many surgeries he has performed and his success rate.  

  • Helensamia123
    Helensamia123 Member Posts: 48
    edited May 2014

    Glad to hear PinkHeart that your LNT has gone well... Also HappyTrisha that you have an appointment with Dr Chang and I look forward to hearing how your Lymphasyntagraph goes... Good luck.. 

  • HappyTrisha
    HappyTrisha Member Posts: 614
    edited May 2014

    Helensamia 1 - thanks!  Will keep you posted.  :)

    Pink Heart, I know he has a wonderful reputation for what I'm going for.  Please let me know what you find out.  It could be fun to be there at the same time!

    What has turned me off to the nodal transplant is not knowing whether they will get nodes from my groin since I have so much scar tissue from previous surgeries.  They couldn't get a good read from the MRI.  And I just don't want them taken from my neck.  So I could wake up from anesthesia finding that they couldn't do anything.  I am praying that the lymphoscintigraphy shows that I have the right configuration in my arm to enable him to do it.  I won't know that until he gets the report and then gets back to me.  (After I have the test of course.)  Nothing is simple.  The great news is that United Health has preapproved the entire thing.  But I have to have my PCP send an order to the local hospital for the lymph test.  Because they haven't seen me in 10 months they want to examine me first.  So I pushed my annual exam up 2 months to next Friday to shut them up.  Once that happens, they'll send the order to the hospital.  Then I have to wait for the hospital to have an opening, yada yada yada.  It's very possible that I will have to reschedule my June 16th appointment in Chicago.  But the very best news will be for Dr. Chang's office to tell me they can do the venous bypass.  I know they said they tell patients that they will do one procedure or the other but that's because I guess patients typically have the lymph test done right before surgery and then they are told whether they are candidates for the bypass.  At least I will know before I get to Chicago for the consult.  And of course if they can't do it, I just won't go for the consult.

    Fingers crossed, prayers greatly appreciated.

  • Mamacath
    Mamacath Member Posts: 20
    edited May 2014

    hey Happy Tricia and/or Pink Heart: I live in Chicago near OHare airport and would be happy to put you up in our guest room if/when you see Dr Chang.  I am planning on the bypass surgery in the fall (Nov) 

  • HappyTrisha
    HappyTrisha Member Posts: 614
    edited June 2014

    So I had my lymphoscintigraphy done last  Wednesday and overnighted the results to Dr. Chang's office on Thursday (meaning he would have gotten it Friday.)  I've been corresponding with a gentleman named James in Dr. Chang's office.  He promised me that as soon as they evaluated my test, they would call to tell me whether or not I am a candidate for the venous bypass.  His office had already rescheduled my June appointment to July 21st, so there is no longer any urgency for me to find out the results (in terms of getting my airline tickets purchased within the two weeks to get a discount.)  I will let you know what happens as soon as they call me.  Of course I am hoping against hope that the test shows that I am a candidate for the surgery!  Fingers crossed.

    :)

  • natalie2610
    natalie2610 Member Posts: 30
    edited June 2014

    well hi 2 u all , it's
    been 18 months since my LNT surgery at my left leg , done by the amazing Dr.
    Corrine Becker , it has been an
    amazing 18 months health wise , my leg is doing better every day , the swelling
    in my feet is getting smaller each day that passes , according to an Mr Lymphografy
    and MRI that I've done lately , it seems
    that my new transplanted lymph nodes are alive and well , and are growing each
    month new lymph vessels , in the MRI , u can see the transplanted nodes
    and also  see the new vessels that are growing from them , by the looks of
    things and from what Dr. Becker told me , I'm on the right track of getting
    better , I do believe , as for Dr Becker as well, that with each month that
    passes , I will see and feel a great release in the swelling

    from appearance
    only , I can honestly say(supported by my Dr. and physiotherapist) that my leg actually
    starts looking like a normal organ again ,for me , since I have primary lymphedema
    since I was 12 , which is about 20 years of having lymphedema , this is an actual
    living miracle send from above , of course I have to emphasize that alongside
    the surgery , I  still maintain doing Manuel lymph drainage every day , and I sleep with bandages all
    night long , of course I ware elastic
    stocking during day time , I am sure that with time , the leg will keep getting
    better and better and hope that one day I can actually be elastic stocking free
    , in Hebrew theres a saying "ashray ha maamin" which means " good things
    happens to the ones that never stop believing"

    will keep u posted about my advancement , wishing u all good health, Natalie :)

  • Helensamia123
    Helensamia123 Member Posts: 48
    edited June 2014

    that is great news Natalie.. I had a LNT to my leg 14 months ago..in Australia..lower leg is the same size as my good leg and having treatment to work on the knee and lower thigh that had some fibrous tissue that needed softening.. I wear compression during the day but not at night.. So i am also heading in the right direction and hope one day to get rid of compression!! One important thing is I have not had an infection since the surgery and the Lymphasytagraph showed the dye going up my leg faster than before surgery .. In Australia we do not have the machine that does the specialist MRI to show the nodes and vessels growing.. I wish they did!! 

    Have my fingers crossed for you Happy Trisha that you are a candidate.. Very exciting.. Dr Chang is a good Doctor too... 

  • natalie2610
    natalie2610 Member Posts: 30
    edited June 2014

    hi
    helensamia , with me, the lymphedema is only on my left calves and feet. my
    thigh , gladly, do not have lymphdema.

    I also have some fibrous tissue that I work
    very hard each day to try and soften it , since I do Self Manuel lymph drainage
    every day and bandage my legs during day and night , my leg is better , I do recommend
    each patient that went under LNT surgery , to try and also bandage his legs during
    night time (after doing MLD) , it will be worth all the hard work , u
    will see some amazing results . about the MRL , we also dont have that
    exam in Israeli hospital , but since Paris is only 4 hours away by plain , a
    year after the surgery I flew to meet dr becker and to have that exam done . i do hope u will get to see some amazing results with time, natalie :) 

  • HappyTrisha
    HappyTrisha Member Posts: 614
    edited June 2014

    Truth stranger than fiction.  My lymphoscintigraphy apparently showed that I don't have any blockages or obstructions and that my uptake is the same for both arms.  Based on that, Dr. Chang has decided there is nothing to be done and has also decided that I do not have LE.  (I was wrongly diagnosed according to him.)  I am giving you the shorthand version, but I cannot tell you how angry I have been since hearing this.  "Apparently" all of those who have treated me for LE over the past 7 years have gotten it wrong.  And I guess Dr. Becker wrongly diagnosed it also?  GRRR!!!  If you didn't catch the sarcasm, I am absolutely saying that it's Dr. Chang who has gotten it wrong.  But I'm not going to pay to fly to Chicago in order to disprove it.  VERY disappointed.  As an aside, when I spoke with the doctors  who performed the test, they did say they would find it very odd for someone to have the test result I did and still present with LE.

    So I guess I start to look for another doctor who performs the bypass.

    :(

  • PinkHeart
    PinkHeart Member Posts: 1,193
    edited June 2014

    Trisha,

    So what does Dr Chang think you do have if it's not LE??  (per his opin). 

  • HappyTrisha
    HappyTrisha Member Posts: 614
    edited June 2014

    He didn't give me anything more than that.  And he gave it through his assistant James.  He is pretty nonconversant and apparently does not feel the need to respond to emails.  I guess he wasn't impressed that Dr. Becker did diagnose me as having LE.  And she saw me in person.  So Dr. Chang goes according to the results of the lymphocintigraphy.  And now I discover that the test performed by Dr. Chen (ICG lymphography) has been shown to be superior to lymphoscintigraphy in diagnosing upper-limb LE.

    Three guesses as to who I emailed tonight.  :)   And he has already responded.

    Will keep you posted.

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