Starting Chemo January 6, 2014

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  • paloverde
    paloverde Member Posts: 179
    edited January 2014

     Asb, welcome!  

    This is the Brian Josephs product.  I mail ordered it, but Warrior_Woman and perhaps others were able to find better pricing in stores that they visited.  

    http://www.brianjosephs.com/html/lash_brow_conditioning_gel.html


  • Warrior_Woman
    Warrior_Woman Member Posts: 1,274
    edited January 2014

    Hi Asb - I too am using the Brian Joseph's conditioner and I cannot yet speak to how effective it is as my 1st infusion was 5 days ago.  I purchased it for $40 at the Faith and Hope shop at UPenn.  I expect it sells in cancer supply shops.  The saleswoman who has been straight forward with me said that all of her clients have kept their lashes and brows but did have thinning.  I figure thinning is better than no brows as I simply stink at drawing and can only imagine the mess I will make.  

  • myra104
    myra104 Member Posts: 102
    edited January 2014

    Hi everyone, I have not been a great message board participant... I seem to be getting a little sick of talking about it at this point.  I'm sure it's totally normal but I am wanting to have a semi normal day.  I have to think about something cancer related every time I reach for food, drinks, pick up my son because physically I'm still healing...yada yada yada so I have to stop talking with people about it to get a break.


    Coming up on Friday I have my 2nd AC, not looking forward to feeling sick again.  Still having some digestion problems....can only eat half or less at a time or Im sick after. I lost ten lbs the first round, no bueno....I will be 70 lbs soaking wet, blah.  I tried sone alternative smoke the other night and I have to tell you ladies my upset tummy and abdominal discomfort completely disappeared!!  I was literally running out of flemings to get home because i was so ill.  I was completely shocked it worked so well especially after the horrible side affect from compazine...I think it made my treatment worse.


    Sorry your hair is coming out tekwriter, just want to give you hug!

    Carpevinum that just totally blows, here I am whining and you're on your 2nd cycle in a year...crazy fin cancer...you are in my prayers lovely lady.

    Warriorwoman I felt like they took out my brain and bathed it in formaldehyde then popped it back in, blech.

    Kuddos to the ladies heading to the office!

    Thanks for the sharing and caring...I will try to keep up but the 2,5, almost 9 yr old are sucking me dry;))  xoxo





  • RHGSR
    RHGSR Member Posts: 774
    edited January 2014

    Myra- your kiddos are the same age as mine.  My second AC is Thursday. I just got out of the hospital after catching a virus from one of my precious walking Petri dishes :0). A lovely 3 night stay... NOT. So now I am trying to feel better so I can get pumped with poison and feel bad again. Doesn't make much sense but it is what it is. 

  • Asb
    Asb Member Posts: 99
    edited January 2014

    I found a place online that has it for 40. I will be ordering it tomorrow. I agree thin is better than none. I have always been complimented on my long thick lashes, I hate to lose them.

  • belleb
    belleb Member Posts: 170
    edited January 2014

    Hi everybody, I think I'm joining you. I have my chemo "class" on Tuesday this week and if the BS clears me tomorrow from my lumpectomy/lymph node/port surgery, then I am on track to start chemo the end of this coming week or the beginning of next. I'm getting really anxious about it - mostly the not knowing what to expect. And the nausea. Please GOD spare me the nausea! 

    My regimen will be 4 doses of A/C (over 8 weeks) - each dose followed by a Neulasta shot the following day. Then it will be 12 weekly doses of Taxol with no Neulasta. I had my ECG this week and it was normal, but some of the stuff I have read about the Adriamycin scares me! I also had a CT scan and bone scan done last week (at my request - surgeon said he usually doesn't unless lymph nodes are involved, but would order them if it was what I wanted) and those came back normal as well. 

    Everyone who sees my port says "oh you're gonna love that" (as if you can actually LOVE something implanted in your body whose sole purpose is to administer you poison lol). Looking forward to spending some time with you ladies despite the circumstances!

  • Asb
    Asb Member Posts: 99
    edited January 2014

    belleb

    Sorry to meet under these circumstances

    Ask about Claritin to help with the side effects of the neulasta shot. My chemo nurse told me to take it starting the day of the shot and for two days after. It is supposed to help with the bone/joint aches. I had one day of those about 5 days after my shot. I have read others who have taken it for 5 days. I think I might try that this next round to see if it helps.

    Good luck with your first round.

  • Diamond_lil
    Diamond_lil Member Posts: 76
    edited January 2014

    we'll my new hair style didn't last very long! I showered before work and brushed my wet hair- and there it was in my brush. It's amazing how quickly it happens. I bought a theatre cap home from work to wear to bed tonight in the hope of getting another day before wearing my wig. My hairdresser is away until tomorrow so I'll go to her after work tomorrow and get a shave. As for work, it was great to get back there and see my team. For me it is part of normalising this whole situation.....I would go nuts if I wasn't able to work. I guess I'm lucky that I've been so unaffected by SE's

     hoping that you all are well

    LIL

  • Asb
    Asb Member Posts: 99
    edited January 2014

    lil

    I am expecting the same any day now. My first treatment was two days after yours. I am also working and I think would go nuts if was not able to. I am a little worried since I teach middle school of being exposed to so much at work. I got thrush and a UTI after my first tx. 

  • tekwriter
    tekwriter Member Posts: 216
    edited January 2014

    Sorry you are having symptoms ASB, I guess we all will to some extent.  They say to take claritin for the Neulasta. It did not work for me or else the pain without the clairitin is much worse than i know, because I am still having bone pain.  This week my head is physically sore and my  hair is coming out in tufts. I hear the rattle of the clippers getting closer and closer. The Nuelasta worked very well for me for the WBC, mine was higher last week than it was before I started chemo.  This week however I seem to have caught an upper respiratory infection. I can't seem to shake it and it has me worried. I hope I don't have to go to the hospital for this. I have messaged the Dr.'s office (PCP) and asked them to set an appointment where they can just take me back and not leave me out front and explained why.  I am in a small town, so I think they will be able to accomodate me.  Everyone have a lovely day today as much as possible.

  • Warrior_Woman
    Warrior_Woman Member Posts: 1,274
    edited January 2014

    I'm worn out and my back and leg muscles won't stop aching.  Otherwise things are chipper dandy.  

  • Asb
    Asb Member Posts: 99
    edited January 2014

    who new a blood transfusion would take 5 hours! Thank goodness for the been dry induced nap!

  • Ciamarro66
    Ciamarro66 Member Posts: 11
    edited January 2014

    Hi everyone - I haven't been posting here much but I've been reading everyone's posts.  Hoping everyone is feeling better or is at least starting to feel better.  Had my first AC DD on 1-16-14 and while I was terrified of what was to come, I think I've been luckier than most with the side effects.  Haven't really had much other than a headache, dry mouth and some acid reflux.  Took Claritin and Aleve the day before chemo, the day of chemo and every day since so far and no side effects at all from the Neulasta shot. Of course, maybe I'm not out of the woods yet.  Everyday is something different it seems.   I'm given four anti nausea meds before the transfusion.  I know I received Emend, Decadron (sp?), and Ativan.  Can't remember the fourth one.  I've been taking Ativan since then and haven't had much nausea to speak of.  Of course, I'm starving and am eating everything in sight!!!!  Uggghhhh...just what I need.  I don't need to gain any weight.  I already needed to 20 lbs. before this crap started!!!

    So I guess the next thing is hair loss.  Probably going to shave my head or at least buzz it short this weekend or sooner if need be.  Dreading that!!  Have a wig and bought a few Abbey caps.  Hope to not lose all my eyebrows and lashes.  Keeping my fingers crossed.  Good luck and Hugs to everyone!!!

  • birdlover23
    birdlover23 Member Posts: 54
    edited January 2014

    Hi Everyone.  I am having port put in on 1/28, starting chemo on 1/29.  Dreading it, as you all are/did.  So glad we all have each other to talk to.  I'm getting 4 cycles of AC every 2 weeks and then 4 cycles of T (Taxol) every 2 weeks.  Worst thing for me is my hair falling out.  Right now it is long and thick.  I'm 45 years old with 2 boys, 14 and 11.

    I have tissue expanders in and my PS is not rushing me at all.  I am still tight, so he wants to take it slow.  Will fill me up when WBC is the highest.  I am fine being "small", so the slower the better for me.

    Wishing everyone strength through all of this.

  • lawyergirl
    lawyergirl Member Posts: 24
    edited January 2014

    Myra - totally understand what you mean about cancer fatigue.  I'm doing everything I can to try to maintain my "normal" life, and to avoid too much cancer talk.  One thing that I'm trying that will hopefully help with this is to designate bad weekends (those following chemo) as "my weekends" and good weekends (the alternate weekends that don't follow chemo) as "my husband's weekends".  On my weekends, I get to rest/relax/recover.  On my husband's weekends, he gets to plan whatever activities he wants for us, and unless I am physically unable, I will join him.  This weekend was his weekend, so we went boating, hiking, and watched football - a very "normal" weekend for both of us!

    Good luck to everyone who is starting round two this week.  Thinking about those who are starting to experience hair loss, and keeping my fingers crossed that the cursed cold caps (hate them!) will do their thing for me.

     A couple of questions for the group:

    - Is anyone going to individual counseling or a support group?  I'd be curious to hear about your experience.  Several people who have been through breast cancer treatment in the past recommended to me to start some sort of counseling/therapy sooner rather than later in the process, but it feels like just another thing to add to the list: cancer treatment, work/be successful at full time job, get regular exercise, cook/eat healthy foods, be a good wife/friend, *and* therapy?!?.  

    - How do you deal with the deluge of people offering to help with something when you a) don't really need help and/or b) don't know what would be most helpful?  My MIL came out and stayed with us for a week after my first treatment under the guise of *helping* take care of me, and really just caused me a lot of unnecessary stress by (among other things) watching TV 24/7 (we only have one TV and it is normally on for less than an hour a day) and trying to tell me stories about all her friends who have had cancer -- one woman who had it FIVE TIMES -- not what I need to hear.  Is there a tactful way to just say no to family/friends?  

  • Asb
    Asb Member Posts: 99
    edited January 2014

    ciamarro

    I just heard of a product that is supposed to help save the lashes and eyebrows. It is Brian Joseph's lash and brow conditioner. I am ordering some today. It supposed to work best if started before or early into chemo. It is about $40-$50 a tube depending on where you get it and each tube is supposed to last a month. I am going to try it and hope for the best.

  • Asb
    Asb Member Posts: 99
    edited January 2014

    lawyergirl

    I teach middle school so I have tons if colleagues and parents that want to help. I really didn't know what I needed help with. One of my friends has organized meals for my family through a website called takethemameal.com. I get to choose the dates I think will be most helpful and people who want to help can sign up online. I have meals coming twice a week through the end of my chemo. It has taken a lot off my mind. Even if I don't feel like eating I know my family is being fed, and most of the meals have lasted more than one night. I don't have to worry about food and my friends know that they helping.

  • katiegrey
    katiegrey Member Posts: 79
    edited January 2014

    I've felt a little queasy since my first AC, but now five days later, I'm vomiting like crazy. Is there any rhyme or reason to this crap?

  • momgie
    momgie Member Posts: 7
    edited January 2014

    Wow...just got caught up on everyone's posts. It's so wonderful to be able to "talk" to other women who are experiencing some of the same things you are (or might be). It's been almost 2 weeks since my first treatment and I'm feeling pretty good. The first week was crazy, something different every day, but things have calmed down and I'm cautiously optimistic that I will be O.K. till the 28th then I can do it all over again! Yay! (please read that as sarcasm). Today being day 13 I guess I can expect my hair to start falling out any moment now. I will miss it...it'll be cold without it...but I've done it once before, many years ago, so I guess I can do it again. 

    God Bless All and remember...this too shall pass. 

  • CarpeVinum
    CarpeVinum Member Posts: 116
    edited January 2014

    awww katiegrey sorry you're having a bad day. I too feel good at first, until day 6 then bam I can barely get off the couch until day 8 when I suddenly feel OK again. Are you taking any Zofran? Do you have gingerale or ginger tea? If the vomiting doesn't stop call your onc!

    Hope it passes soon for you. (((hugs)))

  • SLCGirl
    SLCGirl Member Posts: 2
    edited January 2014

    I wanted to thank whoever for the recommendation for the lash and brow conditioner.  I'm definitely buying it!  The thought of losing my eyebrows and lashes is almost freakier for me than even my hair for some reason.  

    lawyergirl- I've seen a counselor twice since diagnosis.  She works at the cancer center I'm being treated at.  The first time she helped me come up with a strategy for telling my kids (ages 10 and 7).  I found that to be really helpful.  The talk, which I was panicked over, went well and opened up good conversations with them going forward.  The second time I saw her was last week.  It was also really helpful because I just vented all my negative, terrified thoughts toward her.  I keep myself so "together" almost all the time that it was nice to be able to let it all out!  I found it helpful but if it just sounds like one more thing to add to your list I would not do it!  

    katiegrey- So sorry you're feeling bad!  Hope it goes away quickly.  I'm due to start my first AC this thursday.  The waiting is so d*mn hard!

  • Diamond_lil
    Diamond_lil Member Posts: 76
    edited January 2014

    Asb, I am a nursing unit manager I charge of a busy surgical ward so I understand the anxiety of "germs"! I am trying to spend as much time as I can in my office, Everyone knows to keep their distance. I must say I was a bit tired after a full day yesterday...... I really must stop watching the Australian Open til all hours, but I love the tennis.

    LIL

  • Asb
    Asb Member Posts: 99
    edited January 2014

    katiegrey

    So sorry you are feeling like crap. 

  • birdlover23
    birdlover23 Member Posts: 54
    edited January 2014

    Would anyone mind giving me haircut advice?  I have long, straight hair.  I am cutting on January 26 to about shoulder length, maybe a bit shorter.  My chemo starts on January 29.  I think when it gets closer to when it will start to fall out, I will get it cut shorter (my 2 week mark will be February 12).  I am wondering what kind of cut will hide the hair loss for a little bit - just a straight bob or layers?  Or does it not really matter at all?

  • RHGSR
    RHGSR Member Posts: 774
    edited January 2014

    Lawyergirl - I use the website Lotsa Helping Hands to help organize those that want to help. It also has a place for me to post updates. That way I don't have to tell the same story over and over again about how my treatment is going. 

    Bird lover - My hair was to the middle of my back. I cut it shoulder link before my surgery then a pixie cut before I started chemo. But once it started coming out it (14 days after first AC) was better for me to shave it instead of having handfuls come out. 

  • paloverde
    paloverde Member Posts: 179
    edited January 2014

    wow, a wonderful day of exchanges, awesome group.  

    Wish I could respond to everything, but just a few.

    Re: counseling, some days I feel like it would be helpful, but I am on the fence.  Like lawyergirl I just can't schedule one more thing, and I haven't sorted my feelings out yet.  This week I plan to start journaling.  It's never been a regular habit of mine but I think now is the time.  I'm doing it in my head anyway, and sometimes on these boards, to be perfectly honest!  Then I can revisit the counseling idea later.  

    Katiegrey so sorry to hear you're having nausea when you'd been doing so well!  Are you sure you haven't picked up food poisoning or a stomach virus.  Tomorrow is my day 6 and will be my first day back in the office since my treatment, so that tells me maybe I need to pack my Zofran and Ativan just in case.  Today was my first day without Zofran and Dex prescribed and I wasn't sure how I'd do without the "crutch". I took 1/2 Ativan in the morning when I went to the gym and again when I went out for lunch and errands.  No trouble, and I wasn't overly delicate with my food choices at lunch either.  

    CarpeVinum when you said days 6 and 7 were tough for you, did you mean fatigue or nausea?  I know the Neulasta doesn't do anything for red cells, so I was wondering.  

    I'm with you ladies who need the distraction and structure of work (and, in all honesty, can't face the thought of flushing my career), even though it's stressful to integrate it.  But i think anything that structures our time is a positive.  Certainly all these darn medical appointments help with that, so do our kids and their activities, and lawyergirl I love the weekend arrangement you and your husband worked out.  Sounds perfect!  

    So tomorrow, another 1/2 morning of missed work so the BS and I can nod about how nicely the port placement healed, how nicely the PS is loading up my TE baseballs for their upcoming long-term residence, and MIGHT he please offer me an estimate on risk of recurrence or new primaries in my post-BMX landscape.  Then off to work.  

    Hope you all have a great evening and day!  Strength in numbers!  Let's kick SE's!

  • Sunshower
    Sunshower Member Posts: 43
    edited January 2014

    hi ladies! This is my first post to this thread but I've been reading and following it from the start. Thank you for sharing all your experiences and suggestions. It's helped me to prepare mentally and emotionally for the next few months (as much as one can be prepared). I start my first TC treatment this Friday. I'm set to do 4 rounds 3 weeks apart, then tamoxifen for 5 years. My oncologist sent me for a second opinion last week. I think he wanted me to feel comfortable with his recommendations. Although it's a stage 1a cancer (on the threshold of a stage 2 at  2cm/ 1.5/ 1.5). I'm 37y/o and my oncotype score came back a 32. It a high recurrence risk. 21% with tamoxifen and cut to 14% with chemo added. The 2nd opinion MO actually recommended dense dose with TCA for an extra month. He said i could go that route if I wanted to go all out, but my local MO thought that it was unnecessary and we were being aggressive enough in treatment. Since there is no data to suggest a benefit of one over the other for 1a cancers, I decided to forego the extra risk and go with my local MO's recommendation. Has any one else come across this?

  • CarpeVinum
    CarpeVinum Member Posts: 116
    edited January 2014

    paloverde my days 6 and 7 are brutal fatigue, some nausea and just generally an overall lack of energy. I feel too weak to even get in the shower. I also look really bad on those days ~ super pale, just blaaahhh. Then I wake up on day 8, hop in the shower, put on some makeup & get dressed and carry on as usual :)

  • myra104
    myra104 Member Posts: 102
    edited January 2014

    So jealous of who is feeling good enough to go to the gym!  Waaaah!  I still have my effin drain, 6 wks today...cant get my fluid down.  My port site was getting much better until my two yr old head butted it today, wowza!

    Went to shave my legs today and noticed I barely had stubble from Saturday's....I have super thick hair so very unusual, suppose the mop is next.  Weird!

    Feel better Katie, hope its not a tummy bug...I had a cyst burst 6 days after and was doubled over in pain for a day.  It had nothing to do with chemo.  

    Welcome ladies!  Lots of good tidbits for SE here:))

  • tekwriter
    tekwriter Member Posts: 216
    edited January 2014

    lawyer girl, my church has asked to help and I let them know that right now I am covered but I expect there will be times during the coming year I won't be and I would love to be able to give them a shout out for help if I am in the hospital or just home.  They are good with that.

    I have definitely picked up some sort of bug.  My chest feels as if it is filled with lead weights and my throat is awful in addition to running a fever. uggggggh. So didn't need this. I am just 1 point away from having to call MO and it snowed here last night.  Everything will be closed or delayed. just yuck yuck.

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