I say yes, you say no, OR People are Strange

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  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited January 2014

    RL - I'm hanging on to some hope for Sandy that TM's aren't accurate. I was suprised, when I started treatment at Dana Farber in Boston, that they weren't using them.  At first I felt, well, "neglected", but then realized the truth of what they were telling me, just not accurate enough to warrant using them.  Don't know if that's for all cases, but I have had so many friends scared needlessly....still sucks, and keep holding out for very small & treatable, local, fingers crossed until 1/27.

    Blue, love the flowers ;-)

  • bluedahlia
    bluedahlia Member Posts: 6,944
    edited January 2014

    Sandy, I missed your post.  Glad you're feeling OK and hoping those markers are way off!

  • crazy4carrots
    crazy4carrots Member Posts: 5,324
    edited January 2014

    (((((Sandy))))  Keeping all digits crossed for a clean CT scan and for B9.  And yes, my onc doesn't use tumour markers either for BC because they're so darn unreliable, and often give false readings.

    The dastardly polar vortex has crept southward again......brrrrrr.......BLAME THE ARCTIC, not Canada!

  • suzieq60
    suzieq60 Member Posts: 6,059
    edited January 2014

    Sandy - my onc also does not take any notice of markers. Big Hugs from Oz.

  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
    edited January 2014

    (((((( Sandy )))))  I only had  tumor markers for a couple of years after my txs. and then they stopped using them.  Turning in a vote for a false read. 

    Fantastic flowers -- welcome sight today.

    Jackie

  • Alyson
    Alyson Member Posts: 4,308
    edited January 2014

    (((Sandy))) tumour markers are not used regularly here either. Asked Onc and he said mine were never raised at all. Get checked about once a year.

    Crazy weather here as well, we have the tail of a tropical storm battering us and it is hot and sticky here.

    Must go have a report to write.

  • 208sandy
    208sandy Member Posts: 2,610
    edited January 2014

    Thanks everyone for your good thoughts BUT they don't use the markers here as a primary tool - guess everyone missed my mention of the mamo and ultrasound that shows a new "mass" in left breast which, btw I can feel and yes my markers are up and they never have been so.....

  • pupmom
    pupmom Member Posts: 5,068
    edited January 2014

    (((Sandy))) If it is a new mass, wouldn't it be a new primary? Or was your first mass in that breast? Well, even in that case it wouldn't it be a local recurrence?

  • Bren-2007
    Bren-2007 Member Posts: 6,241
    edited January 2014

    Yorkie .. if I'm not mistaken, 208Sandy is Stage IV.  So not sure what happens with the new tumor in her breast.  We'll know more after her doctor's appointment on the 27th.

    Sandy .. I know you said you were feeling fine, but I'm nervous about this latest finding. Have you been on an anti-hormonal or chemo?  Thinking it's an AI you've been taking if Faslodex is most likely the next step. Keeping you close in my thoughts and heart. 

    hugs,

    Bren

  • bluedahlia
    bluedahlia Member Posts: 6,944
    edited January 2014

    Sandy, can they not remove the breast?

  • Enjoyful
    Enjoyful Member Posts: 3,591
    edited January 2014

    Love my Sandy, hate the cancer. 

    Angry at this news.  

  • bluedahlia
    bluedahlia Member Posts: 6,944
    edited January 2014
  • bluedahlia
    bluedahlia Member Posts: 6,944
    edited January 2014

    This guy's a hoot!

  • Enjoyful
    Enjoyful Member Posts: 3,591
    edited January 2014

    Bwahahahaha Blue!  I needed that laugh!

  • Chickadee
    Chickadee Member Posts: 4,467
    edited January 2014

    OMG HOW STUPID CAN HE BE!

    Adding, hang in there Sandy. One hell of a journey we are all on. 

  • Chickadee
    Chickadee Member Posts: 4,467
    edited January 2014

    History and book lovers.  

    "Bully Pulpit - Theodore Roosevelt, William Howard Taft and the Golden age of Journalism"

    Doris Kearns Goodwin

    Really good read.  Only a third of way through and into how the muckraking journalists began to turn the rich bastards on their ass.  These guys were dedicated to facts and they were in a war with the gilded barons.  McClures magazine was the embryo.  Teddy and Bill and their wives very interesting people. 

    Anyway very relevant to where we are today. 

  • pupmom
    pupmom Member Posts: 5,068
    edited January 2014

    I'm going to have to get that one! I read a book about Teddy R's nearly fatal trip up the Amazon, called "The River of Doubt." I love history!

  • RetiredLibby
    RetiredLibby Member Posts: 1,992
    edited January 2014

    Chickadee, that is on my reading list.  I'm reading "America 1933: The Great Depression, Lorena Hickok,  Eleanor Roosevelt, and the Shaping of the New Deal." It is another book relvant to what we just underwent with the Great Recession.  Harry Hopkins hired Lorena Hickok to travel around the country and report to him on how bad things were - and they were bad.  Disturbing echoes of today in local officials' reluctance or outright refusal to give out relief monies because in their opinion, people were poor because they didn't work hard enough. Very good book.

    Sorry - author is Michael Golay.

    L

  • Chickadee
    Chickadee Member Posts: 4,467
    edited January 2014

    oh good, another book that sounds cool.  I need to keep stimulating the brain cells.  

    Now if you want to understand Texas from its inception look for fat, fat book called Lone Star by Fehrenbach.  He recently passed I believe.   Its history from both natural, human and a anthropological standpoint.  I hope that didn't sound too dull but I understand so much more about how this state evolved into itself. Seriously Texas may be full of idiots but it's still a rich history and culture from , missionaries, impresarios, Spanish, Comanche to politician.  The civil war reconstruction period still defines attitude toward govt and guns. 

  • lassie11
    lassie11 Member Posts: 1,500
    edited January 2014

    Sandy - you are very much in my thoughts.

  • Chickadee
    Chickadee Member Posts: 4,467
    edited January 2014

    Isn't it ironic thAt dumbo in the blue shirt is too young to realize that his forebears were blue collar working men in unions and they were mostly Liberal or progressive democrats. 

    I sincerely believe from my blue collar DH's change too that they were horrified when women, blacks, hippies, etc began to also work next to them in these blue collar jobs. I was the only woman in my telephone garage for some time and then a black guy got promoted, one long hair and a couple crazy Vietnam vets(really they came back PTSD). 

     No way did they want to identify with us so they declared themselves per sona non grata to the system that allowed them to prosper and build families, etc.  Let Nixon ship their jobs to china and there you have it.  Dwindling middle class, widening gap. No jobs to get that are worth a plug nickel in building a family or getting the next generation higher education. 

    Dumb shits. Sorry honey. DH does get it though but can't bring himself to be a democrat again.  

  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
    edited January 2014

    Chick as long as he votes the right way.  I'm sill wondering how many NOT registered as Dems voted that way last election.  My Dh re-registered as Independent, but anyone who knows him will know how he voted before and how he will vote now. 

    Jackie


  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited January 2014

    Hoping all are staying warm - thinking of Jackie, and those in the part of the country getting this first, we're next.  Giving thanks I heat with Oil and not Propane this year - seems propane is in short supply, and prices are off the charts, if you can get it.  Watching neighbor a few acres away taking cows into the barn - that's the best sign I've got for how cold it is ;-)

    Thinking of Sandy - the tension of the waiting, Monday can't come son enough...

    BostonSuz,  meant to ask, is Aiken part of the trial?

  • Enjoyful
    Enjoyful Member Posts: 3,591
    edited January 2014

    No, Aiken is for fun.  My horse will be there for training and I'm going along as apprentice poo-flinger.  You'd think I'd be at the Expert level by now, but poo-flinging is a delicate art accompanied by archaic technique and tradition.  

  • pip57
    pip57 Member Posts: 12,401
    edited January 2014

    E...poo flinging is indeed an art.  The wet mounds take great skill as well.   You mustn't waste the bedding or hurt your back while flinging both!   

    Murdoch Mysteries disappointed me last night.  They had better clear this up in the next couple of episodes or I will be done.  

    -26C here today.  

  • Enjoyful
    Enjoyful Member Posts: 3,591
    edited January 2014

    Absolutely, the right balance of poo removal and bedding retention....it's the Holy Grail of barn work.

  • lassie11
    lassie11 Member Posts: 1,500
    edited January 2014

    I agree about Murdock PiP. The plot twists are getting a bit contrived. Wasn't that bad guy dispatched last season?

  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
    edited January 2014

    Thought I'd share this with all of you --- used it today in a couple of other places where I leave quotes:

    I am in competition with no one.  I run my own race.  I have no desire to play the game of being better than anyone, in any way, shape or form.  I just aim to improve to be better than I was before .  That's me and I am free.

    Jenny G. Perry

    Sunny,  the snow isn't at all deep, as we only got an inch or two, but it is frigid again.  Not so much the temp. as the wind/wind chill.  I haven't look over the whole yard, but there must have been quite the wind blowing sometime in the wee hours.  The top of the chimaera  ( sp?) had come off and was laying on the ground below.  It sits up on a high deck.  The major part of it is stuck to the ground.  Also lost the end off the big red pavers it sits on, but only the end of the last one.  More work in Spring.  Little nervous about touring the two acres here, but probably won't be too awful.

    E -- if I were there I'd help you with the flinging.  You'd have to teach me though.  I've only done this for much smaller 'piles'.  My issue would be how far is the 'fling'.

    Hope its warmer in a couple of days. 

    Had our gas stove regulated today.  Not sure how it got off or if we just needed a new regulator.  It is on propane gas.  Sunny, our propane is much cheaper this year than last.  Budget billing at $70.00 a month and last year was $95.00.  Not sure but it is based on usage and since we keep a couple of I-heaters to help the propane furnace we don't use as much as some do.  We keep the bedrooms cool -- harder to regulate the general living area though it is comprised of big foyer, L. room and kitchen on  a sort of L shape and open to each other.  So far, so good, but the gas prices next yr. may be the bad ones for us.  We will just have to get cooler yet here.  I'm comfy as things are.

    Jackie 

  • bluedahlia
    bluedahlia Member Posts: 6,944
    edited January 2014

    Plus, they got that plot from "Bones", another of my favourites.  Pilante was the bad guy that never died and blackmailed Seeley the same way.

  • bluedahlia
    bluedahlia Member Posts: 6,944
    edited January 2014

    I'm generally into the mystery genre and Ray got me into Zombies!

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