Oncotype score of 19....chemo or no chemo?
I went to the oncologist today and was told my score is 19. They still suggest chemo even though my score is low....no lymph node involvement. I am 62 and had a lumpectomy. Anyone else in my position and what did you decide do? My diagnosis is ductal carcinoma in situ with estrogen receptors positive...stage 2. I am confused....
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I would advise getting a second opinion at your closest teaching hospital .. Look for the best. Look at my stats. I got a 3/3 split on the chemo decision .All my opinions were from 2 great Boston hospitals. Didn't end up doing it.
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Sistercoyote - hi, and sorry that you find yourself on these boards at all. I am not clear as to your diagnosis - if it is DCIS, then it is stage 0. It may be a good idea to talk to your oncologist and have him or her spell out clearly what your diagnosis is and why he or she thinks that chemo is important for you. Then, if their reason for doing chemo doesn't seem to justify it to you, ask for a second opinion.
Once you have a clearer understanding of your diagnosis, the women here might be able to help out more - but really you need to know from your own team or MO why chemo is being recommended.
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I would get a second opinion too just to see what they say. I had a similar dx. I was 45 at dx and stage 1 with ER/PR+ and grade two tumor with oncotype of 18. I got two opinions. One said no chemo and the other thought I could benefit from chemo. The main difference in our dx was that I also had LVI present in my pathology. That means that even though my nodes were clean, there was evidence that a pathway was established for cancer cells to travel by blood through vessels. This is what scared me the most so I did opt for chemo. I also had a 4 year old little one at home when I was dx so that also factored into my decision.
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Invasive ductal carcinoma is my diagnosis...very new to all of this and still learning terminology.
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Sorry sistercoyot that you have to join us and are in this position ...
I am with Ziggy pop...you need to get the details as to why they are recommending
chemo. Are you her2 positive or do you have LVI ( as mentioned by Mdg)?
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My diagnosis was IDC 98 o/o er positive with oncotype score of 19 - chemo wasn't recommended by 2/3 oncologist . My treatment has included arimidex, in addition to a bmx and reconstruction. Mine was 1cm grade2 IDC with strong er and pr receptors. Get several opinions from different sources and even maybe get another pathologist to review your tumor slides if you have a doubt.
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Difficult decision to make, getting more than one opinion is a good idea. I also had an oncotype of 19, my BS and onc both recommended chemo initially. I had requested the oncotype test and when given the results the MO left it up to me and didn't try to encourage/ discourage my decision in anyway. I had LVI and 2 micromets in the nodes. I have had a hard time with Tamoxifen but my MO says must keep taking especially because didn't do chemo. I was afraid of chemo, but do second guess my decision at times, never thought would feel like I was 80 from the Tamoxifen at 43.
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I have listed my stats on my profile now. I have second and third opinions on Friday this week. Will be anxious to hear what both these MO's have to say about the chemo, no chemo issue. I am leaning towards no chemo, radiation starting right away and then the fun starts with Tamo. Not looking forward to that part of this treatment, but want to get the next step in this process started asap.
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sistercoyote, do you know what puts you at stage 2? I had an onco of 21, gray area. They are currently doing trials on the benefit of chemo for intermediates that will be out next year! There is another test called a mammaprint, that tests more genes. I did not get that one done. You might want to ask your MO if that is an option to get more info or if it would be more confusing...
after much thought and hesitation, I opted for chemo. My MO pretty much left it up to me, but did say that if it were her Mom, she would recommend chemo. I am 58, healthy and decided this is my one chance to kick it to the curb, so I need to take advantage of it. I dont think I could face myself or my family down the road with a recurrence if I didn't do all I could. From what I understand, the chance of a local recurrence, is less than distant recurrence (mets)...so, in case I had some rogue cells floating around, I wanted to get rid of them. I had no node or LVI. With that said, it is a personal decision and you have to do what's right for you. I don't regret my decision. Luckily, my chemo has been fairly easy so far. I hope you get the answers you need and can have peace with your decision. It is a hard one.
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Sistercoyote,
I am a 17 and am not getting chemo. I just had a conversation with my MO at Massachusetts General Hospital last Thursday were I am getting treated. She is the head of the medical oncology team and a Harvard Medical School professor. She said that she uses the Mammaprint gene test for those in the intermediate Oncotype range to help make the decision on chemo. Remember most doctors want to err on the conservative side and chemo does make them money. Ask for the Mammaprint gene test. Where do you live. Make sure one of your second opinions is at a major cancer treatment center. Most insurance companies will pay for one out of network second opinion. It's worth the trip.
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I was 63, stage 2, oncotype 19, estrogen positive also, however, I have lymph node involvement. My doctor advised chemo. I went for a second opinion which agreed with the first. So, I had chemo, Taxotere Cytoxan. I did use cold caps to keep my hair, and they worked. I had radiation afterwards which was easy.
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Since it's in situ and your numbers were low , I wouldn't. Mine was 28 and that was too close for me. I am about to have my second round on Friday.
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Thanks for the input. My mo said they do not use the cold caps, which is disappointing to me. I will get more information on Friday.
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I don't know about all of you, but this is so hard to handle...so much information and so difficult to Ty focused on every day things and work...I am frustrated and cry at the drop of a hat.
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sistercoyote, if it's any consolation, it took me until a couple of weeks ago for it to sink in. I was DX'd in Sept. I think what you are feeling is "normal". I hope your Dr visit goes well on Friday. Are you taking someone with you to the appt? You might want to jot down some questions before you go, if you have some. I recorded my visit with my MO when I went. Good Luck! Keep us posted.
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How has the chemo been for you...bearable or terrible? I updated my diagnosis also as I am still new to this....everyone at work is giving me advice and I just want to hide.
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sister coyote... This part is the worst! I was running a demanding seasonal business, trying to research at night, making second opinion appts. The worst for me was that I had to make sense of a split decision on chemo... 3 yes and 3 no....I hid in a dark room with my ipad and bad tv when I was trying to get through the decision making process. It sucked!!! I had access to great Dr.s in Boston.. But the I had to still make the decision myself.
It gets better once you make your decision. I just had my first post BC mammogram and all if fine. All of that BC angst is slowly disappearing to the past as I move forward with life.
Good luck with your appointment. Bring all your questions in and make sure they are all answered. You will make the right decision whatever it is.
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Just retread your earlier post...I am 62 and very healthy.
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How has the tamoxifen been for you? No one understands except us...the ones who are going through it.
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llangford - she isn't insitu...see her next post. She has IDC, Stage 1. The intermediate scores are really tough as far as what treatment to have. My score was 11 so I didn't have to make that call. I would definitely get a second opinion. Diane
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My life has drastically changed since November 27...so hard to remember what it was like before the diagnosis.
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sister coyote--- I am 58 . I have had my ups and downs with tamoxifen, but mostly not too bad. I see a naturopathic doctor who helps me with Side effects and having me take certain supplements to make the tamoxifen more effective ( actually my insurance covers a lot of it). He works with a lot of patients from Dana Farber, where I go.
I don't want to take any more drugs ( for Tam SE's) so am happy doing in this way. I will switch to an AI next year.
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hi Sistercoyote,
Welcome to the club no one wants to join! I just wanted you to know that the early part is the worst! Before I got diagnosed, I swore that I would never do chemo. Ha! Easy to say when it is theoretical. I got three onc opinions ( even though my Oncytype score was 26). Mainly it was a process/ way for me to get to where I needed to be - all 3 told me to get chemo. I squirmed but I did it. I am three years out .
I think your story might be different - yours score is lower, It is a very personal decision.
I just want to add that as you try to " compartmentalize" what is happening, be open to taking some anti- anxiety drugs or anti- depressants. You may not need them but this disease has both physical and psychological dimensions. I definitely needed something to help me sleep and to manage my fears in a way that I could find joy each day.
Good luck with your journey!
Best,
Beau
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Thanks for the reply...talking to women who have been in this is helpful....I will know more on Friday...boy do I have a lot of questions for these MOs...I am taking the day off to try to make my decision. I am not opposed to anti anxiety drugs and considering those. I will do the chemo if all three suggest it. I don't want to look back a few years from now and say if I only did as they suggested....
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Went for two more oncology visits and both doctors said that chemotherapy would not be beneficial for me. So...starting radiation as quickly as possible. Glad that decision is finally made.
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thats what I thought they would say...on the chart the benefit kicks in right about 20
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sister-sounds like you made your decision. I just wanted to chime in that my diagnosis was similar to yours. IDC 1 cm ER/PR+ and oncotype was 18. No node involvement. Both my onc opinions said chemo was not needed and the SE would outweigh the benefit. Good luck!
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sistercoyot......glad your doctors were unanimous ....that helps a whole lot........!!!!!!!
No chemo for me either!!!
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Ginger, looks like we had same DX . I just got my results back and also got 18 ( and 11 for distant recurrence). I don't have any oncologists yet since I have to go for reincision and excision biopsy (other breast MRI biopsy showed ATypical Lobular Displaxia)Feb 4.
If everything comes back clean I will probably not require chemo either.
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sister, glad you made a decision and the MO's were unanimous!
cookiegal, what "chart" are you referring to, on the scores? My MO showed me one with my results, but I never got a copy of it. Is it online? I guess I will ask my MO for mine. I think before I got the onco test done, she told me if I was in the lower part of intermediate, that she wouldn't recommend it; which is where I ended up being, at 21. I also asked her about the benefit in my case and she said about 50% of my recurrence chance (which would be about 6-7%)...BUT, now I found out the the 'jury is still out' and they are in the process of completing the TailorX clinical trial, (hopefully out next yr) to further study the intermediates to see if chemo is beneficial. I think in the study they are using scores of 11-25. I wish she would've been given me information on the trial, or at least not just spouted a number out to me, when she really doesn't know...
I opted for chemo, but am thinking of stopping at 3 TX's...or, foregoing the taxotere.
Glad some of the rest of you are coming back with low scores! Fight on!!!
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