LCIS and Life Insurance

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cleomoon
cleomoon Member Posts: 443

Hello fellow LCIS women. I am getting ready to look into getting life insurance and was wondering if no is truthful and the medically supported answer, as well as the legal answer to the question "Have you ever had cancer."

The policy will be for helping out the ones I love so I wanna make sure I research it a bit.

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  • MelissaDallas
    MelissaDallas Member Posts: 7,268
    edited January 2014

    Hi Cleo, you just need to read the questions and answer them very truthfully. I think it depends on the company underwriting guidelines. Reputable Medical sites say it is not cancer, but I don't know what they will ask, and depending on what kind of policy, the face amount, and your age they may order your medical records to underwrite.

    If you die during the contestable period of an illness and they order your records then and determine you were not truthful they would have the option to rescind the policy and just refund premiums.

    Are you talking a guaranteed issue type ("If you can answer no to these ten questions") smaller policy or a larger underwritten one?

    I worked in an underwriting department of a life/health insurer for many years.

  • cleomoon
    cleomoon Member Posts: 443
    edited January 2014

    Hi Melissa,

    Thank you for the information. I am 48 and am looking into a smaller policy $75,000 or maybe even less.

  • iammommy
    iammommy Member Posts: 213
    edited January 2014

    I asked my breast surgeon the same thing and he said I can honestly say no to the cancer questions . He also said that should it be questioned he would go to bat for me. 

  • MsVeryDenseBreasts
    MsVeryDenseBreasts Member Posts: 100
    edited January 2014

    My docs say the same thing…the answer to those questions is "no I do not have cancer".  In fact, I believe Dr. Love addresses this issue in her book.

  • leaf
    leaf Member Posts: 8,188
    edited January 2014

    I have absolutely no idea how insurance companies decide their coverage, but since I read about 1 physician's assistant who was refused health insurance because he reported (truthfully) he had toenail  fungus (!), I circle both Yes and No, and explain.    I have no idea if medical coverage is different from life insurance coverage.  I have had neurologists protest  about my LCIS 'but there is carcinoma in the name', and it takes so long to explain. If someone who has little medical training is making the  insurance decision, I really don't know what to say.  I have other  diseases that are potentially more disabling/life threatening than LCIS, so I'm sunk anyways.  By the time one is in their 60s, most are probably at risk for cardiovascular disease, arthritis,etc.

  • MelissaDallas
    MelissaDallas Member Posts: 7,268
    edited January 2014

    Underwriting guidelines are completely different for health and life insurance.  Something that causes a lot of morbidity (health claims) does not necessarily kill you (mortality).

    All of the underwriters I knew were highly intelligent and educated.  They don't write the guidelines.  The actuaries do.  Also, a lot of companies no longer truly underwrite (where they either rider a condition or rate the premium up) but only accept or reject.

    Just for grins I did a search and found one life insurance company's underwriting guidelines manual for their agents.  It suggests that a not smoker with LCIS (and presumably no other conditions) would be eligible for Preferred rates, so I guess the actuaries are pretty certain it isn't going to kill us:)  

  • beacon800
    beacon800 Member Posts: 922
    edited January 2014

    Just like two posters above - I asked my surgeon and he said the answer is "No, you did not have cancer" and he would back me up on that if the insurance co did not believe it.  So far I have not bought any insurance so it has not come  up.

  • leaf
    leaf Member Posts: 8,188
    edited January 2014

    Thanks for the info, MelissaDallas and all others above!  Its always magnificent to learn more!  I haven't actually applied for life insurance, but that's so good to know.  I certainly stand corrected. Thanks again!

  • MelissaDallas
    MelissaDallas Member Posts: 7,268
    edited January 2014

    You're welcome Leaf.

    Here's the problem with the new health insurance rule about not having a wait period for preexisting conditions or being able to decline coverage. Say toenail fungus boy is 20 years old and really wants to look hot for the chicks at the beach this summer and he just hates his funky looking feet. He pays his $100 dollar premium for the first month, then makes his appointment to go have surgery or laser surgery and gets his prescription filled for a really expensive antifungal drug. He might go another month and pay one more $100 premium to get all of this done. He has received $5,000 covered care and is happy his feet look great and wants to be able to spend his $100 a month for beer for the beach instead of insurance, so he now cancels his policy. Net loss to insurance company is $4,800. 

    People can do this as often as they want and they WILL do this.

  • leaf
    leaf Member Posts: 8,188
    edited January 2014

    I had absolutely no idea.

    I have medical insurance through my employer (payroll deduction), and we are required to have health insurance (either the worker through our employer, or the worker through their significant other.) So, under the affordable care act, can individuals cancel medical policies at any time?  Is this for both individual medical policies and group medical policies?  Its not like a yearly contract?

    Wow - the life insurance guidelines (I know I'm not using the correct terminology) include risk to very rare diseases?  If so, the guidelines must be very, very long.

    Thank you so much for your insight into this!

  • cinnamonsmiles
    cinnamonsmiles Member Posts: 779
    edited January 2014

    I had DCIS. Most consider that a true cancer (although there are some that consider it precancer.). I contacted our local State Farm agent, here in Wisconsin. Turns out that they didn't consider it a problem after about a a year of being cancer free...but my depression & bipolar DID count against me.

    Talk to your agent and have them look it up.

    I think the answer to the question if you ever had cancer, is no. LCIS is thought of as precancer, so no, you didn't have cancer (But that is just my opinion and am no expert.)

    You may want to post in the forum on here called "Insurance & Other Financial Issues" as well.

  • MelissaDallas
    MelissaDallas Member Posts: 7,268
    edited January 2014

    Leaf, group is different because you can only enroll during the annual open enrollment period except for adding a new baby or spouse so you can't continually drop and reenroll.

    With individual policies there will be no way to keep people from doing what I talked about, most with stuff way more expensive than the toenail example. It is going to break the insurance companies or cause premiums to soar so high in a couple of years on the exchange policies that nobody will be able to afford them. The only people who are enrolling are older people who will use a lot of medical care.

    Oh, and yes, guidelines cover about everything. Health insurance underwriting was much more complicated than life insurance because people can have an infinite combination of conditions & the aggregate has to be evaluated.

  • MelissaDallas
    MelissaDallas Member Posts: 7,268
    edited January 2014

    Cinnamon has a very good suggestion. You should always talk to an agent on life insurance if you question how a condition will be considered BEFORE you apply. If you apply and are rejected for coverage it is reprted to the Medical Information Bureau and anyplace you apply after that will know you have been rejected for coverage.

  • rosyFL
    rosyFL Member Posts: 101
    edited January 2014

    That is a very good question.  There are some insurance policies that don't ask health questions, but you have to wait two years before they take full effect.  I think they are a good idea. 

    You can look into one of those policies.


  • MelissaDallas
    MelissaDallas Member Posts: 7,268
    edited January 2014

    Rosy, those kind of policies are very expensive for the very minimal coverage you receive.

    Actually, everybody doesn't need life insurance. Especially if you are older, have no minor children and your house is paid off.

  • rosyFL
    rosyFL Member Posts: 101
    edited February 2014

    Melissa,

    I disagree.  Everyone should have some kind of life insurance, even if it's not a large policy.  Better than nothing at all.  Some of those policies are really not that expensive.

    Rosy 


  • MelissaDallas
    MelissaDallas Member Posts: 7,268
    edited February 2014

    Disagree if you like Rosy. I worked in life & health insurance for many years.

    I am single, have no children, no bills, & my house is paid off. My sister will inherit my entire estate with plenty to pay my final expenses. What purpose would life insurance serve?

  • iammommy
    iammommy Member Posts: 213
    edited February 2014

    Melissa, I agree. Life insurance would serve no purpose for you. Not everybody needs life jnsurance.

  • rosyFL
    rosyFL Member Posts: 101
    edited February 2014

    I guess we all have different opinions.   I hope cleomoon is able to find the life insurance she is looking for.

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