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  • kimie06
    kimie06 Member Posts: 215
    edited January 2014

    I have been experiencing  the odor with my urine,  and have the runny nose too.  My nose is really dry inside too.  I am also experiencing lack of taste with some things, some things are salty and some are just tasteless.  I do find near the end of the treatment I get that back some.  I had round 3 on Tuesday so far so good, I think my broken heart has overpowered the SE's .. I know hes right by my side.

  • RobinLK
    RobinLK Member Posts: 840
    edited January 2014

    {{{Kimmie}}} cyber hugs to you. I believe he is right beside you. 

  • RHGSR
    RHGSR Member Posts: 774
    edited January 2014
    Do you loose nose hair too? I wonder if the drippy nose is from lack if nose hair?
  • DJJ
    DJJ Member Posts: 229
    edited January 2014

    Yay, Waterdog!!!! Such good news!

    My nose has been runny too.  It was getting so raw.  I've been putting petroleum jelly in my nostrils and now the rawness is gone.  In one of the bazillion things I've read I do remember reading we can lose nose hair and then particles that usually don't get up our nose do, causing it to run.  Food is also bland first week after chemo and then I have my taste back the second week. 

  • Mikesgirl17
    Mikesgirl17 Member Posts: 260
    edited January 2014

    Congratulations waterdog.  That's amazing.  I shared your news with my girls and I said that we aren't just doing this for the cool makeovers.  It has other benefits:)  My sense of smell has always been incredible, but the smell of urine, now, is almost unbearable. I don't think I smell any differently.  I just smell more of the bad smells. 

  • RobinLK
    RobinLK Member Posts: 840
    edited January 2014

    The nose hairs do go...leads to drippy nose. So dry here in AZ, that I end up using Saline spray part of the time, and dripping the rest. Not unbearable though. Happy I asked about the smells. Makes me feel a little more "normal," at least as far as it is something I am not dealing with alone. Not wishing it on anyone else, but relieved to know it is not a hygiene issue and more of a chemo patient issue. If that makes any sense.

  • QuirkyGirl
    QuirkyGirl Member Posts: 383
    edited January 2014

    Congratulations waterdog!   

    As for odor, I feel like my whole body wreaks the medicine for at least 10 days, usually longer.  I don't there's anything we can do.

    NEskir- I love going bald and end up that way all the time except when my head gets cold.  I find the wig, hats and even scarves way too hot and bothersome.  Never ever expected I'd embrace bald.

  • RHGSR
    RHGSR Member Posts: 774
    edited January 2014

    I haven't lost my hair yet. But when I asked my husband how he'd feel when it fell out he said "well, I've never been with a bald woman before ;0)"

    We've tried to use humor as much as possible!! 

  • DJJ
    DJJ Member Posts: 229
    edited January 2014

    I go bald at work after my lunch time workout.  To hot to put my scarves or hat back on. I've been wearing really big earrings.  My co-workers keep saying how cool and trendy I look bald.  Makes me feel much better about being bald. 

  • jackieak
    jackieak Member Posts: 169
    edited January 2014

    I had a wonderful surprise ar chemo #3 yesterday, my daughter went to get lunch and brought back my son from Seattle with two dozen roses...here to celebrate my birthday Saturday...what an awesome gift to have them both here with me.  We will do dinner tonight because typically I crash on day 3 and 4, hoping I can to indulge in a glass of wine....so drinking tons of water again today...

    Steroid pill sure flushes me all over...at least I get color in my face...I come home after chemo and look like a pale/ green monster !  I'll wear the long Tina turner wig tonight, seems everyone likes that...I'm 51 Saturday, did my big bash party last year so a nice calm one this year, and hoping it's my year for a new, healthier start to the next 30 years.  Wishing everyone well!

    Jackie

  • Amazonwarrior
    Amazonwarrior Member Posts: 485
    edited January 2014

    @ Post chemo odour: 

    I find that my whole body reeks with the medicine for a good week and more after the infussion. The smell is sometimes so strong and off putting that it makes me literally nauseous.  As a result I end up constantly washing my clothes, bedsheets, towels, scarves and pretty much everyting that comes in contact with my body. I use a cup of baking soda for each wash. I even throw some of the stuff in my bath! Well, this is one little battle in itself!

    @ Going bald: 

    I occasionally go bald when I am home by myself, however I find that my head quickly starts to feel too cold, so I resort back to wearing my scarfs. Now I have a ton of them to wear because I bought a few myself, but also my mom sent me a bunch herself. I do wear my wig only when going to public places, but I find it too itchy to wear on a regular basis. 

  • kjfromca
    kjfromca Member Posts: 283
    edited January 2014

    Waterdog - That is great news, it's confirmation that what we are going through is shrinking tumors, as well as killing rogue cancer cells.  

    Kimmie -  Glad to hear the SE's are minimal.  Praying for you.

    What are you all doing during your nadir period for the 7 to 10 days to keep from catching a virus?  Do you still shop? Do you stay home?  I have been kind of paranoid and pretty much try to stay at home during this time.  I was wondering what everyone else is doing.

    I hate my wigs....I don't know why I purchased them when I had hair, the one wig I kind of liked is too big.  Good thing I didn't spend a lot of money on them.  I am going to go on utube and attempt to learn to tie scarves.  Any good sites would greatly be appreciated.  Attempted to tie an infinity scarf on my head while watching a utube video.....good for a laugh.

    Kim

  • kjfromca
    kjfromca Member Posts: 283
    edited January 2014

    Jackieak - I was typing and missed your post.  Happy Birthday!!! I hope you have a great time with your family.  

    Kim

  • jackieak
    jackieak Member Posts: 169
    edited January 2014

    I have a consult at the end of the month with the radiation onc.  I'm 99% sure I'm not going to do radiation.  I've done allot of research on it, and to me seems like overkill.  I had a modified radical RT masectomy and prophylactic LT side done, I did this because the mri found fibroids and cysts and I've always had lumpy dense breast, so I wanted to eliminate left even though it was clear.  My surgeon had clear margins.  And no nodes were seen in chest wall that were invaded.  They took all of my auxiliary sac on right, with 3 of 16 positive, the left sentinels were clear.

    There is conflicting stories for node positive radiation anyway with mastectomies, usually more that 4 are done.  I have not had the oncotype test done, but wonder is that just to decide on chemo or all reoccurrence rates?  I just can't imagine going daily for 6 weeks to burn areas that to me are gone now.  

    Anyone else having this dilemma or more info?  The pills I will be on for 5 or more years is also there to help reoccurrence...how much is too much?  My biggest concern is possible future heart issues from AC and to top it off with radiation to the chest would be a double whammy, not to mention the burns and scars...and I also have temp implants in, and would prob need to start that all over again if I had rads.

  • keepthefaith
    keepthefaith Member Posts: 2,156
    edited January 2014

    Hi ladies,

    jackie, what a great surprise! Happy Birthday! I get flushed with steroids too.  MO said it also causes constipation...I didn't take my last pill my last TX and thankfully, was fine.

    My MO said my nadir is 5-9 days for cytoxan, then 10-15, for taxotere.  I limit my outings and avoid crowded places. I go to the store during less busy times, wash and sanitize my hands often. After a couple of days of staying at home, I get kind of down, so I need to get out just for my sanity! I have eaten out a couple of times. I think you are probably supposed to avoid buffets, etc. I hate it, but know that it is only temporary!

    Was planning to go to my DD's today, but they are all sick with a stomach bug:/.

    I'm not a fan of my wig either, although it is pretty and I get compliments on it. I have found a few hats and also bought a pattern to make a couple, which I will do this week-end. I am not really a hat lady, but they are so much easier. Maybe I am finding a new me!  I have enough hair left to disguise the fact that I am really almost bald! I hope it stays around for a while.

    Looking forward to going to the LGFB class on Monday!

    Odor: My urine has a horrible smell the first few days, then seems to go away. My sense of taste is also off for about a week, then seems to return week 2.

    I hope you all enjoy your week-end with few SE's!

    RHGSR, how was the LGFB class today?

    ((HUGS))


     

  • keepthefaith
    keepthefaith Member Posts: 2,156
    edited January 2014

    jackie, I think it's unusual to do rads post-mastectomy, but you could always get a 2nd opinion, if it's recommended.  I had a  LX , so will more than likely do rads anyway. It's my understanding that the onco test  measures recurrence and the benefit of chemo w/hormone therapy; I don't believe rads is considered in the onco test. Since you're already on chemo, it probably wouldn't be beneficial to get the onco test and your insurance probably wouldn't take care of it at this point anyway. Good luck. I agree, sometimes it seems like it may be over-kill, but, your RO may not even recommend rads.  Enjoy your week-end and try not to stress about it.

  • Carol99
    Carol99 Member Posts: 116
    edited January 2014

    I wear a lot of scarves with hats, the easiest way I've found is to pull the scarf through a thin hair tie at the nape of your neck, pull it partially through like a small bow.  Let the rest hang, or do it to the side for a cute look.

    Those worried about Nadir period, are you taking Nuelasta?  My MO said not to worry too much because I'm on that.  Not that I go anywhere with huge crowds except my sons wrestling meets & I'm working. I try to be careful about hand washing & wiping stuff down with wipes.

    Happy Birthday Jackie, fellow Capricorn, mine was Monday:)

  • RHGSR
    RHGSR Member Posts: 774
    edited January 2014

    happy birthday Jackie and NEskir99!!

    My LGFB class today was great!! Really enjoyed it and came home with some great name brand makeup. It was a lot of fun. 

  • kimie06
    kimie06 Member Posts: 215
    edited January 2014

    scarves....I find it really easy to secure with an elastic... I will also just take it off to the side a bit and twist, twist and make like a bun and secure with an elastic and let the rest of it hang..  as for my wig  its gorgeous but I haven't worn it yet, when Im home its just me and my bald head.  which it fine.  Im over it, I have lots of cute hats and scarves. if anyone wants to connect on facebook Im all for it Smile

  • paloverde
    paloverde Member Posts: 179
    edited January 2014

    Hi ladies,  

    Newbie from the January thread with first AC treatment coming up next week, looking for some help.  My prescription insurance carrier, Caremark, will not cover Emend, presumably due to the expense.  I was supposed to take Emend/Decadron/Zofran to prevent nausea.  My MO team couldn't budge the insurance carrier so they will prescribe something else to replace the Emend.  

    Question:  Does Emend perform head-and-shoulders above all other anti-nausea meds, e.g. is it worth considering paying cash for it?  Or have some of you had other anti-nausea combinations that were very successful for you?  

    Thanks for any help, I'm trying not to get too stressed about it.  You are all an inspiration! 

  • charusa
    charusa Member Posts: 107
    edited January 2014

    I notice a distinct smell to my urine as well...and on top of that have to wear a poise pad due to some leakage. The biggest side effect for me is my digestive system. I was constipated 1st round so took stool softener and I never got back to normal...all my movements were soft and urgent but they told me to just beef up on fiber...when I started to get almost back to normal it was time for round 2 so I was afraid of the constipation so started the stool softeners but just 1 a night for the first 3 nights....now I got bouts of diarrhea where I am afraid to go anywhere and again they told me just eat more fiber....

    I noticed a decrease in underarm odor.

    Went for blood work yesterday, counts are down but I am feeling ok but last night got chills in the middle of the night got up put socks on and an extra blanket, took 2 tylenol and woke up in sweats. Been sweating at night for a while now. I went through menopause without any symptoms so maybe it is my time now.

    Really having a hard time mentally about the next round. I really felt something was wrong with round 2 and I believe it is from the

    Cytoxan and my nurse thinks it is from my pre-meds, the anti-nauseous meds. The first round the cytoxan ran at 40 mins and about 10 mins before it finished I felt a funny feeling in my forehead like sinus pressure or a fuzzy feeling. They took my BP n let me sit until I felt good enough to go home. It wore off before I went to bed that night and I felt good that day and the day after until I got my shot. This time they ran it at an hour and 20 mins and about 15 mins before it was finished I got the halo in my peripheral vision followed by a severe pain in my forehead. The pain continued until Monday morning (chemo was on Thurs). Now they tell me they will run my pre-meds different at a slow drip....but what if it is the cytoxan? My anxiety is so bad especially about meds, side effects and how I respond to certain meds...like if it elevates my heart rate I won't take it....Now I got myself all worked up believing that my 3rd round something is going to happen to me b/c its the effects of the cytoxan and not the pre-meds. If it was the pre-meds why did it effect me at different times...15 mins before the end of a 40 min drip and 15 mins at the end of an hour and 20 min drip??? And I got to have 8 rounds of this crap!!!!!

    I am so happy you got some good news waterdog!!! How often do they check the size of the tumors? I can barely feel mine anymore and I only had 2 rounds so I know it is working!!!

    I get a bad taste in my mouth for the first week or so. I wonder if lemon ice would help that? I crave the weirdest foods but they seem to come from the same catagory...comfort carbs...lol

    Well this is long...I am happy that everyone seems to be handling things well...pretty soon we will be on the other side of this getting great results and treatments done!!!!

    Charlotte

  • waterdog
    waterdog Member Posts: 46
    edited January 2014

    Hey Charusa - my oncologist checked me right before I went in for my second round of a/c.  He has now decided to check me before my third round because the result was very encouraging before round two.  If you are checking and feel there is a reduction that is a great sign.  If you have an appointment between any of your chemo appointments I'm sure you oncologist will check.  Hope you get through all of your SEs - and the same for all of us.  With this treatment I have certainly had the 24 hour boost of energy - probably from the steroids.  Waiting for the crash to come but so far so good

  • RHGSR
    RHGSR Member Posts: 774
    edited January 2014

    didn't I read somewhere on here that the pubic hair is the first to go? Just went potty and had a bunch on the paper. I'm about 12 days out from infusion #1. 

    I'm surprised it bothered me more than I thought it would. 

    Anyone else have this happen? How long after did your hair start to fall out ? 

  • kjfromca
    kjfromca Member Posts: 283
    edited January 2014

    Paloverde - Welcome, was the Emend going to be put into your IV before chemo? I know that they give me 2 IV anti nausea meds before chemo ... I think it is Decadron & Zofran, not Emend.  I then take Decadron & Zofran in the pill form for about three days after treatment.   Those 2 seem to work well for me.  

    Thanks for the scarf tips, I will try them.  I wore a halo with a hat today and felt pretty good.  

    Charusa - I recommend that you give all this info to your MO prior to your next treatment.... and make sure that you voice your concerns. I hope that they will put your mind at ease or change your meds.  Hang in there.

    RHGSR - Pubic hair was first to go.  My MO told me that most people lose their hair about a week after their 2nd treatment.  I was bald going into my 3rd treatment.  Your head will get really tender first.   It sucks, sorry you have to go through this.  We are here for you.  

    NEskir99 - Happy Belated Birthday.

    Jackieak - I have a friend who chose not to do rads after her chemo and mx.  She is 5 years out.  I don't have a choice, my PET scan, prior to my MX, showed rogue cancer cells in my chest area.  Hopefully the chemo has killed them, but I can't chance it.  I understand your concerns, tough choice to make.  I hope that your RO will help you figure it out.  

    Kim

  • paloverde
    paloverde Member Posts: 179
    edited January 2014

    Kim, the plan was for me to bring the oral Emend and Dex at the time of treatment and also take them on subsequent days.  I believe the Zofran will be in the drip.  They didn't specify what else would be in the drip.  Hoping to find out more on Monday.  

  • DJJ
    DJJ Member Posts: 229
    edited January 2014

    Happy Birthday Jackie!!! And Belated Birthday NEskir99!!

    Jackie, I also have no choice in having 6 weeks of rads.  I am having a lumpectomy. 

    Paloverde, I get Emend in the IV at the time of the infusion but not after.  I take Decadron (3 days after chemo) and Zofran through the week after and that works ok for me.  I am also trying acupuncture and dare I say that my nausea was better this last week then the first two rounds. 

    RHGSR, Please talk to your MO before your next round about your concerns.  Maybe a change of meds or dosage can help.  Hang in there.

  • DJJ
    DJJ Member Posts: 229
    edited January 2014

    Ladies,

    A friend just sent this to me.  You need to watch it.  It brought me to tears and smiles at the same time.

    If Only for a Second

    http://www.utrend.tv/v/one-second/

    Deb

  • QuirkyGirl
    QuirkyGirl Member Posts: 383
    edited January 2014

    RHGSR - pubic was the first to go.  exactly 2 weeks after the first infusion the bulk if my hair fell out.  I never lost of of either though my head is basically bald.

  • oranje_mama
    oranje_mama Member Posts: 260
    edited January 2014

    I'm 3 weeks out from 1st chemo (2nd chemo was Thursday).  Hair is still falling, and I have bald patches, but I basically still have coverage over my whole head.  downstairs the same.  I cut my hair super short (short pixie) in order to save my hair for a hair halo 1 week ago.  I'm wondering now if I might retain some coverage on my head.  Or maybe I won't go totally bald until 3rd or 4th treatment.  I'm on TCH.

  • Crazywabbit
    Crazywabbit Member Posts: 563
    edited January 2014

    RHGSR - for me the pubic hair was the the first to start going, funny only about half came out the rest is being stubborn and holding tight. Started losing my head hair the next day over a three day period. Max hair loss was day 17 and 18 for me.  Yesterday when I was putting on deodorant I realized there was no hair under my arms. Just a few hairs right near my ALND scar. 

    Belated happy birthday to the birthday girls.  Sucks to have a BD during this,  my BD in late Feb will also be during this battle time.  At least it should not fall on an actual chemo day. 

    Deb that video was priceless. Brought a big smile to my bald little head. 

    Going to go to a big  annual banquet tonight, hopefully my WBC has risen over the past 2 days out of the danger level. No hugs, just elbow bumps tonight. Must really maintain a bigger personal space also. Nice that after losing 25 pounds I found a pants suit, that I last wore to my older sons college graduation in 2005, now fits again.  Trying to lose a bit more before the taxol stars and all the extra steroids with that. 

    Good weekend to everyone.  Barbara 

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