September 2013 Chemo Group

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  • Cougarlicious
    Cougarlicious Member Posts: 114
    edited January 2014

    Art - my oncologist and surgeon said the same thing to me - that lumpectomy made the most sense due to no nodes, chemo response, and lack of family history.  That the chances of it occurring in my other breast was no different than the average woman, and that recurrence rate in my bad boob was the same with lump and MX.  Add to it the fact I have a newborn and toddler at home, they think it's best to choose the surgery with minimal recovery time.  But since I have a history of benign fibroidadenomas, I don't know if I want to stress out every mammogram or over every lump.  At the same time, if I do a BMX (if I'm doing a MX, I'm doing both) and I'm one of the 40% with a reconstruction infection (the rate my surgeon quoted), and end up aborting reconstruction, I don't know if I'd be upset I didn't conserve my breasts.  I flip flop over this decision every day!

    KJ - love your attitude over small victories!  I'm happy I never had to take Neulasta.  Those side effects sounded nasty!

    It feels weird to think I'm nearing the end of my chemo (5 more Taxols left).  My MO told me today his next visit with me is when I'm done...I've gotten used to being seen every couple weeks.  Not sure how I will deal once I'm declared cancer free (fingers crossed!) and no longer on their radar!  He did state with neoadjuvant chemo that they often see black dots or traces of where cancer was to determine if there was node involvement.  My initial biopsy showed no nodes and I'm hoping when they cut me open it confirms it.

    Congrats to all the hair sprouters!  Even though I've amassed a lovely wig collection, I'm definitely ready to have my own fuzz again. :) 

  • lighthouselady
    lighthouselady Member Posts: 752
    edited January 2014

    KJ - I'll say Yippee Skippee with you for no more Neulasta!!!

    Cougar - So good to hear from you. I know how you feel about being off the MO's radar. I felt so strange when I went a month after chemo before I saw my MO again. Hope your little ones are doing good. How is Taxol treating you?

    Art - I'm in the opposite boat because I was diagnosed stage III with a large, aggressive tumor and I'm BRCA+ so my surgery choice was a no-brainer. I would love to have had breast-sparing surgery, but I'm a worrier so I'm not sure if I would ever be 100% comfortable with that. Such a hard choice. Not like picking a flavor of ice cream!

  • LisaSp
    LisaSp Member Posts: 253
    edited January 2014

    Mankatostate: My skin is now fine, about one month post rads. No soreness, the brown patch I had from the boosts has peeled and everything seems the way it was, with the exception of slight twinges of pain rarely. The fatigue seems mostly gone, though I am having some sleep issues. Hope things are going well for you.  LHL: Now I'm finished active treatment, it is really weird that I won't see the MO for another year! The fact that I no longer have any cancer related appointments until Feb. 7 (breast surgeon follow up) feels very weird. Which is one reason why I'm now getting involved in support group stuff and I started a yoga for cancer patients class Monday.

  • Cougarlicious
    Cougarlicious Member Posts: 114
    edited January 2014

    LHL - Taxol has been good so far, I did get light tingling in my hands a couple weeks ago but it went away.  I take L-Glut and ice with frozen peas, so maybe that helped!  So glad your surgery has gone well so far!

  • SouthernGirl1974
    SouthernGirl1974 Member Posts: 86
    edited January 2014

    hello ladies 2weeks post chemo now I am dealing with sore fingers and toes oh and dry skin anyway today was the only day I felt tired and I slept the entire day. Love reading y'all post glad Michelle is doing great after surgery yay!!! I am set for surgery on 1/30 I choose to go with a double with DIEP although they could no longer find the mass anymore my gut is telling me to do whatever it takes to live my life and not worry about what if's I am like most of you I have not seen my mo since early Dec and am scheduled to see her on the 9th along with my pre op appt. Take care ladies

  • VintageGal1111
    VintageGal1111 Member Posts: 705
    edited January 2014

    Hi warrior7

     Yep I am! Started Sept 24 with A&C. I just had Taxol #8 of 12 yesterday so a month to go (then continue Herceptin & get some surgeries & rads in there too)

    VintageGal

  • BabyRuth
    BabyRuth Member Posts: 264
    edited January 2014

    BRRRRR it is still cold here but finally it is going to warm up above freezing.

    I am so glad to see that so many are finishing up chemo now and able to move on to surgeries and radiation.  I think there may be a few that are completely done with everything.  It is so great to see how far we have come since we all started our September journey.

    Yesterday I had what I thought was going to be a consult with my PS tattoo artist for my nipples.  It turned out that after going over all the information and procedures she said she would do it then if I wanted to, I told her I would have had a drink or two if I had known it was happening right then!  I have so little feeling in my new boobs that I did not feel anything most of the time except for a small vibration.  When she worked on the edges I did have feeling there and it was very painful.  She said she could numb me but at that point I told her just to hurry and get it over with.  I am bandaged up but have looked as I put on clean bandages and I am quite pleased with her work!  This whole process is really amazing! I will go back in 5 weeks to see if I need to have a touch up! 

  • lighthouselady
    lighthouselady Member Posts: 752
    edited January 2014

    Babyruth - I would have freaked a little about doing it right then & there!  LOL   I'm such a planner.  But maybe it's good that it happened that way - just get it over with.  I haven't even thought about that part of my reconstruction.... I have such a LONG way to go.

    Talking about no feeling..... it's the weirdest thing.  I can touch the middle of the front of my chest and not feel a thing, but I'm actually itchy in areas.  How does that happen?!?!  LOL   Maybe it's the nerves on the inside healing?  I don't know.  It's driving me crazy though.  Kind of like when your foot itches and you have boots on so you can't feel to scratch it.

  • SpecialK
    SpecialK Member Posts: 16,486
    edited January 2014

    On the question of nodes, node biopsy and SNB - there is a difference between a node biopsy and a sentinel node biopsy.  You can biopsy a suspicious node that has been seen on imaging with fine needle aspiration or a hollow core needle biopsy, with imaging guidance.  This is sometimes done before any surgery or chemo if there is something that shows up and needs to be investigated.  This is different from a sentinel node biopsy, which is looking for the node that is the first away from the breast tissue in the chain of lymph nodes under the arm and which cannot be determined on imaging.  This is the most likely place to find cancer cells so the process is usually done shortly before, or the same day as lumpectomy of mastectomy.  Many who do neoadjuvent chemo do not have their SNB done until they have surgery, which occurs after chemo.  Because the evidence of cancer is not always seen in the node(s) of your SNB after neo chemo, this can cloud the staging and accuracy of nodal status.  However, you can do a SNB prior to neoadjuvent chemo and I would recommend doing this to determine what true nodal status is prior to administration of chemotherapeutic agents that may make it difficult to accurately stage.  All SNB requires is breast tissue, so it can be done simultaneously with port placement for those doing neoadjuvent chemo. 

  • BetterDay
    BetterDay Member Posts: 116
    edited January 2014

    Warrior70, I am still in chemo.  Started Taxol on 9/16 and my last AC is January 20.  I'm just a little behind simplelife and knightzoo.  Then SLNB on February 10 and BMX on February 14 (Happy Valentine's Day to me).

    Wishing LHL a speedy recovery.

    Knightzoo, it looks like your surgery is only about two weeks after your last AC.  Did I count that right?  My SO said no surgery, even the SNLB, until 3 weeks after last chemo.  That means I'm waiting 3.5 weeks for my surgery, which doesn't make me happy.  I can still feel this stinking tumor and the thought of it sitting there for so long is driving me crazy.  Is two weeks post-chemo for surgery standard for your doctor? 

  • PeacockGirl
    PeacockGirl Member Posts: 162
    edited January 2014

    Port is gone. It really was "tippy" as some of the infusion nurses described..the BS said it was basically sitting on it's side. (no wonder if was pivoting around so much) there are even big needle scratch marks on the side of it where the nurses completely missed the silicone needle well. Just glad it is OUT. I know it was convenient and saved my veins during chemo but I hated it since the day it was put in 5 months ago. I joked around with a friend that I should fashion it into a "mood ring". Haha, a BAD mood ring!

  • warrior70
    warrior70 Member Posts: 144
    edited January 2014

    Thank you  BetterDay and VintageGal...I don't feel so alone anymore.  We will get through this soon!

  • knightzoo
    knightzoo Member Posts: 171
    edited January 2014

    better day, yes my BS will do surgery 2 weeks after chemo so I took the first day available! I'm a boundary pusher...I also got my RO to agree to start rads 3 weeks post op. 

    LHL so glad to hear you are doing well! You're my role model for next month!

    Peacockgirl-congrats on your port removal! 

    I think I'm out from under the fog of AC 3. One more to go. My friends and I are planning a fun celebration after the last one. Can't wait!

  • josgirl
    josgirl Member Posts: 231
    edited January 2014

    LHL - one more big piece in the rearview mirror.  I know surgery is harder for you since it follows chemo and that affects your body's healing process so take it easy and use this time to catch up on the Kardashians (j/k please not that! - haha). 

    All the ladies who are still going through chemo - the light is at the end of the tunnel and sooner than you know it you will be done!  I am feeling almost back to somewhat normal and that's with radiation.

    And for those who are worried the fatigue from radiation that was supposed to be brutal has not been much.  I am so very weary of the daily appointment but I am not nearly as tired as I was during chemo and feel that while my energy levels have not recovered as fast as they would have without radiation, I am happier with what I can do and how I feel!  Tamoxifan has been not so bad either - hot flashes and shivering spells but mostly at night now - the ones in class or out and about were the worst!

  • hockeymommy
    hockeymommy Member Posts: 77
    edited January 2014

    hi ladies,

    I started tamoxifen on December 20th, so far so good. No side effects to report. I met with the gynecologist this afternoon and we will be doing ovary and uterus removal on February 20th. That gives me roughly 5 weeks between breast removal(jan 16) and hysterectomy(feb 20). I am so ready to get this over and done with! I look at it as the next phase in the journey.

    I hope everyone is feeling well!!

  • kjsimpson
    kjsimpson Member Posts: 445
    edited January 2014

    For those of you with surgery coming up, it is important to ask your surgeon whether you are going to be an outpatient or an inpatient for your surgery.  Just staying the night at the hospital does not make you an 'inpatient' and it can have some pretty serious implications for your costs.

    For example, I thought I was going to be admitted as an 'inpatient' and would have a simple $250 copay for the hospital portion of the bill (as I would if I were admitted to the hospital as an 'inpatient').  But, the surgeon's office coded the surgery as an 'outpatient' procedure.  When the hospital called for the pre-admit interview today, they estimated my costs as an 'outpatient'.  That is going to cost me around $2,900 out-of-pocket', not $250.   Huge difference!!

    Went round and round with the hospital, insurance, and doctor's office today.  The short version of the answer is that I'll converse with the doctor tomorrow about potentially recoding it (it is the surgeon's decision based on 'medical need') because I historically have bladder issues after general anesthesia.  Was already going to talk to them about making sure they would mark my chart with "catheter on request'.

    Ah the things we learn on this journey.  I'm ready for a meltdown.  Maybe I just need to melt down so I can get it all out and release all this pent-up energy and worry.


  • lighthouselady
    lighthouselady Member Posts: 752
    edited January 2014

    KJ - like I said earlier... That just sucks. You are entitled to a meltdown, and with your surgery coming soon, you'll feel better after! 

    Sometimes I feel like my doctors are so much more "wait and see" than all of yours. Some of you still going through chemo already having surgery dates and meeting with RO and having rad dates. And hockeymommy having both surgeries scheduled already!  I am finished with chemo and my BMX and still don't even know if I will have rads, and if so, I haven't met with the RO yet. 

    One thing at a time I guess. Follow-up with my surgeons tomorrow... Curious to see what they have to say and if I get my TEs filled at all.

  • kjsimpson
    kjsimpson Member Posts: 445
    edited January 2014

    Drive safe, LHL.   I've been told that we can't really make radiation plans until they get the pathology back.  I'm anxious for that too.

  • simplelife4real
    simplelife4real Member Posts: 563
    edited January 2014

    LHL, I'm glad you are doing okay.  Congratulations on the 5 o'clock shadow!!

    KJ, thanks for the heads up on copayment costs.  I'm getting a lumpectomy and lymph node dissection.  Lumpectomies are ususally outpatient at Vanderbilt, but I don't know if the lymph node dissection will turn it into an in-patient procedure.  I meet with the surgeon next Wed. and have on my list the in-patient/out-patient questions, but now I understand better the ramifications of whatever answer I get.

    I'm recuperating from AC#3.  This round hasn't been too bad, but it sure worked a number on what little hair I had left.  I feel like like look like a ghost without eyebrow and eyelashes.  Sometimes, I think I can still feel the tumor, but I'm not sure.  I'll know a lot more next Wednesday when they do an ultrasound.  I'm scheduled for a mammogram too, but I think they are worthless with my dense breasts.

  • SpecialK
    SpecialK Member Posts: 16,486
    edited January 2014

    Your procedure can be set as "23-hour observation" which is still outpatient since 24 hours in the hospital has not elapsed.  This is how some outpatient procedures are sent to insurance.

    KJ - definitely ask your surgeon if you can be an inpatient based on past medical history.  My insurance would not allow my BMX be done in an outpatient facility and I did spend the night.  I had a high epidural type of anesthetic that provided pain relief across my chest.  It was not removed until late in the day on the day following surgery.  Because I did not yet know what my level of pain would be, and if I could control it at home, I requested to spend another night.  That was not a problem.  If your surgeon deems it necessary (because you tell him it is) they will usually do what you with regard to this.

    simplelife - I had a BMX and bi-lat SNB, and five weeks later a ALND and it was definitely outpatient.  Don't know if a combined lump/ALND will require admission, but do ask.

  • kjsimpson
    kjsimpson Member Posts: 445
    edited January 2014

    Thanks, SpecialK.  I'm on my way into a pre-op appointment with them now.  It is definitely on my list to talk to them about.

    Hope everyone is thawing out from the great Vortex.

  • kjsimpson
    kjsimpson Member Posts: 445
    edited January 2014

    Good visit with the surgeon's office today. They were surprised that "outpatient" was going to cost me more than "inpatient". They also answered a lot of questions and I feel so much more at ease with the upcoming surgery.

  • simplelife4real
    simplelife4real Member Posts: 563
    edited January 2014

    SpecialK, thanks for your input about the ALND.  You are always a wealth of information and I appreciate that.

    KJ, I'm glad your pre-op visit went well.

  • shaycpa
    shaycpa Member Posts: 1
    edited January 2014


    I hate I didn't find you all until after chemo!  I just finished it 12/26 - Merry Christmas to me, right?  I was happy and sad (sad because I had a bad cold and couldn't enjoy Christmas and had to go right into chemo after).  I was so tired from hacking at night, that I missed my 4 year old opening up her gifts (my NP friend called me in something to help with the cough and it made me sleepy - this after trying to call the oncology center and being hung up on THREE times - smh).  Anyway, I'm two weeks out from my last chemo today.  Got a little bit of taste back - had some spinach, tomatoes (raw!) and grilled chicken earlier.  Ready for a salad (yum) and some sushi.  Had 6 chemos - TAC all at once.  Every 21 days.  First chemo wiped me out!  It got better and then #5 and #6 were a bit worse.  The cold might have made the last one bad.  Nose still runny....swelling still happening..neuropathy which is scaring me.  I lost 10 lbs during chemo..and had already lost 10 lbs right after my double mastectomy end of July, so I'm 20 lbs down and nothing fits.  I like weighing what I weighed in h.s. though but I am sooo flabby.  I walked for most of the time I was in chemo but weather making it challenging now.  I did a workout DVD today and stopped after 23 minutes when I got tired.  Been trying to use small hand weights for the flab.  I have a 4 year old daughter and she has been so good throughout but impatient on when Mommy is going to get better.  I will be happy to have my energy back - looking forward to gettng stronger and stronger.

    Husband has been a godsend.  He lost his mom to breast cancer (age 46) in 2004.  This was a reoccurrence from me (2005) in the same breast.  I was early stage, so I did both the Oncotest and Mammaprint and ended up with chemo.  Glad it's over.  Happy to meet you all, and glad we are all done or almost with that dreaded chemo!

  • SouthernGirl1974
    SouthernGirl1974 Member Posts: 86
    edited January 2014

    Hello Ladies f/u with mo today don't gave to see her again until after surgery if I can tell you I soo love my mo my appraisal with her always last 45min to a hour cause she answers all my questions she is very personable and I appreciate get glad I choose her. On another note preop done today surgery and hospital stay covered at 100% no out of pocket since I am going in network now I will send an email to my ps bad bs to name sure we are all on the send page on my procedure and to make sure my so know I want small lifted boobies lol I been a triple d far too long a simple c will do. Hugs ladies thus us our year 

  • kjsimpson
    kjsimpson Member Posts: 445
    edited January 2014

    Hi ShayCPA and SouthernGirl1974!!  Good to see you here.  :-)

    Ok, so I know I've been here with ya'll for several months now.  But, for the life of me, I can't figure out what "MO" stands for??  Main Oncologist? 

    I'm glad I'm not doing reconstruction right away.  The surgeon said that because of that they will not have to cut into my pectoral minor and I'll have full range of motion without loss of strength.  Very happy about that. Looking forward to being past this hurdle!!

    Thanks, everyone, for sharing your stories, your ups, your downs, and your fears.  I am richly blessed with both my online and my hometown circles of friends.  The insurance company 'case manager' called me for the first time today.  She seemed pleasantly surprised that I was copying so well and she thought I was pretty funny.  Apparently a good sense of humor goes a long way.  ;-)

  • lighthouselady
    lighthouselady Member Posts: 752
    edited January 2014

    shaycpa - Welcome to our little group.  I wish you would have found us sooner, too.  These September ladies have been a godsend for me in getting through chemo & getting ready for surgery!  I'm sorry you're having to go down this road for the second time - what a warrior you are.

    Today I had a post-surgery follow-up appointment with my breast surgeon and my plastic surgeon.  I have good news and bad news. Pathology report showed no cancer on the right side (so glad I didn't opt to do the sentinel node biopsy on that side... not needed!) and clean margins on the left. Yay! But there were still residual tumor cells AND 9/24 nodes were positive - even after chemo. Ugh. So definitely can't avoid radiation which makes my reconstruction harder. Booooo. Not terrible but not the clean report I wanted.

    Also good news and bad news on my drains. They removed two out of four today. Yay!! But one of the remaining ones lost its stitch so my surgeon had to clean me up and restitch it. Fun times. Thank goodness I had an appointment with her after the PS and not before.  She has an excellent bedside manner, and took her time cleaning me up, making sure everything was sterile and secure before she bandaged me back up.

    PS didn't fill my TEs at all.... he said the left (cancer) side is still too tight.  So we'll go back next week to see his nurse so she can view my healing progress and remove any drains that she's able to (ok - that is NOT comfortable when they take them out), and I'll see both doctors again in two weeks.  Since I have to have rads, the PS will have to speed up the expansion process more than he would like to, so we'll just see how far we can get before rads starts.  Want to hear something funny?  My radiation oncologist's name is Dr. Au (as in "ow").  LOL

    I thought I would be more tired from today - 6+ hours in the car and two doctors appointments, one of which took forever, but I'm doing good.  I was a bit uncomfortable riding in Hubby's truck, but it wasn't too bad.  I had blankets and pillows and pain pills.  

    One bonus from today - I have formed a friendship with a lady from the cold caps thread on here (God that seems like a lifetime ago that I tried them!).  She lives in Dallas, and invited me to join a Facebook group she belonged to with other women she knew from this site.  Most of them had surgery/treatment last year so a lot of them have been friends since last January or before.  There are a few like me who have joined over the last few months and are still in active treatment.  Anyway, she came to see me today in between doctor's appointments and hung out with us until we were called into the room.  She is funny and nice and like a ray of sunshine.  I was so happy to meet her, but really it didn't feel like a "meeting".... it just felt like hooking up with an old friend.  I'd imagine that's how it would feel if I were to meet up with any of you.

    On the flip side, I found out one of my good friends who has been battling ovarian cancer for the past six years is pretty much at the end of the line.  She was going to do a clinical trial but her doctor told her yesterday that he didn't think the trial would extend her life or improve her quality of life, and actually suggested hospice.  I am so sad.  She is only in her mid 30s and has three boys.... her oldest is my son's age and was my son's first friend.  My heart is heavy.

  • lighthouselady
    lighthouselady Member Posts: 752
    edited January 2014

    KJ - "MO" is medical oncologist

  • kjsimpson
    kjsimpson Member Posts: 445
    edited January 2014

    So sorry about your friend, LHL.

    Thanks for the MO definition.  Is there something other than a 'medical' oncologist?

  • SouthernGirl1974
    SouthernGirl1974 Member Posts: 86
    edited January 2014

    radiation oncologist

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