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Phillygurl44
Phillygurl44 Member Posts: 13
edited June 2014 in Just Diagnosed

Hi, I've just been diagnosed on Dec 11th.  I found a lump in my left breast and it took me about two weeks to come to terms with getting to the doctor.  My mother had breast cancer 2 x's and metastatic spine cancer so I had to convince myself that I wasn't her and my situation is not the same.  smh.  sounds silly but it's the truth.  The first surgeon I met with at my local hospital was not very forth coming with info so I made an appoint at Fox Chase Cancer Center and at this point I did get some better info about my case.  He says I'm triple negative Stage 2A.  I have no idea what that really means.  I've had a physical exam, Mammo and biopsy.  I've done some research but of course on the web you find the extreme doom and gloom and the extremely rosy stories.  I am still trying to process all of this but not really sure where to start.  My hubby is having a rough time emotionally with this as well.  Where do I start?

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  • car2tenn
    car2tenn Member Posts: 515
    edited December 2013

    I too have been newly diagnosed but my news is not good...I am a medical professional myself...I had a report of a perfectly clean mammogram in August of 2013. now in Dec. 13 I have a diagnosis of metastatic breast CA. I did everything right I knew to do but still am here scared.  I am taking a pill everyday but only time will tell if I have a good response.   Apparently the whole thing is a process.  Blessings to you as you navigate these scary stages.  CDS

  • Phillygurl44
    Phillygurl44 Member Posts: 13
    edited December 2013

    Thanks Car2tenn. for your response.  Sorry to hear of your diagnosis.  I too had a clean mammo in 2011 (I was pregnant in 2012).  I started having mammograms at 35 due to family history.  *sigh*.  the good thing about all of this is having access to medical care.  I am a firm believer in prayer and I will pray for you.  We will get through this.

  • bdavis
    bdavis Member Posts: 6,201
    edited December 2013

    Philley... I know its scary, but it will improve. Once you have a game plan and start treatment/surgery, your emotional side of things gets much better. Stage IIa is really not as bad as you are thinking. I am IIa. My suggestion to you is to get all the proper tests, don't rush into decisions, and follow the treatment plan. There are threads here on BCO for triple negative which can be helpful. Fox Chase is a very good cancer center... I would ask a lot of questions, bring someone with you to take notes when you go to the doctor.

    car3tenn... I am sorry for your diagnosis... Today, metastatic cancer is controllable. Treatments aren't nearly as bad you might think... chemo, radiation, surgery are all doable, as is hormonal therapy. Many times, I think its mind over matter as to how we all handle things. Believe in the treatment.

  • aviva5675
    aviva5675 Member Posts: 1,353
    edited December 2013

    You have landed at a place with lots of information and people just like you going thru similar things.  Stay away from sites online that are not very official such as here, Mayo Clinic, etc.  Dont go to ohmygodihavecancerandamgoingtodie.com.   Stick with real information. Stage II is ' not so bad ' if that can be said= the triple negative throws a small curve into it, from what I have read. But that doesnt mean you will have a good outcome.  Check out the various threads on bco, and ask lots of questions, here and of your doctors.  Get second or third opinions til you are comfortable with the doctors.

    After I posted this I saw the thread right underneath is the Calling all tns  thread- triple negative.  Theres a whole section on that part alone. Also there is a Stage II thread, those of us like you. Come on over!

  • kjsimpson
    kjsimpson Member Posts: 445
    edited December 2013

    Hang in there Phillygurl and car2tenn.  It is very scary at first.  Last August I was in the same place you are (newly diagnosed) and while I wanted to know everything, I quickly realized that I was overwhelming myself.  So, I made sure I had great doctors (oncologist and surgeon) and they mapped out a plan.  I understood it, but couldn't deal with it all (chemo, surgery, radiation...) at once.  After a couple of planned emotional break-down days, I set about getting through one step at a time.

    For me, chemo was first.  At first, it was terrifying. In fact, I bolted from the room for a few minutes on the first day (before they had me all hooked up).  But I got through it. Last chemo was a week ago.  About half way through chemo, I was able to start processing about the surgery (bilateral mastectomy).  Now, I am processing about the radiation treatment.  It hasn't been easy, but life is too good and each day is too precious to live in fear.

    You don't have to see the whole staircase... just have the courage and faith to take the next step.  ;-)

    Good thoughts and prayers going your way.

  • jbokland
    jbokland Member Posts: 890
    edited December 2013

    Me too. 

    Health care professional from Florida and took a work assignment in Sydney Australia   I felt a thickening in my breast and went for annual mammogram and after several US was told it was' just me' and it was really more hormonal changes.  7 weeks later, it's growing and I go back to be told it ILC the size of a tennis ball. Thank goodness I was I insisstant! a less assertive person may have not pushed for a second exam and simply waited a year. 

    I am back in Florida recovering from my BOX earlier this week.  

    Being in health care makes me a bit of a pain in the ass to my providers.  I ask questions, read studies, and generally try to stay one step ahead. Well meaning, but so.witness in the wrong direction. I know enough to be dangerous! 

  • NorthwindsGS
    NorthwindsGS Member Posts: 128
    edited December 2013

    Phillygurl and car2tenn, 

    I was diagnosed this past October, in fact I received the biopsy results on my birthday.  I can say I got BC for my birthday.  I was overwhelmed at first.......started as stage1 grade1 which changed to stage 2 grade 2 after surgery.   Went in for my yearly exam with no warning signs.  Mammogram did not show anything however technician found a lump that did show up on Ultrasound.   Everything went so fast to me, diagnose, surgery, port and then started treatment. Hard to keep up with the emotions  and fear at first. 

      Take a few deep breathes, it does get better.  This is a great site to share your  concerns and fears at.  Lots of support, advice, strength and love abound.  

    Pam

  • ziggypop
    ziggypop Member Posts: 1,071
    edited December 2013

    Phillygurl, sorry that you have to be here, but glad that you found this website. It is great to be able to connect with people who have gone through the same treatments, etc. as you will be going through. As some have already mentioned, stage 2 is extremely treatable. One step at a time.

     car2tenn, There are a host of lovely women with stage 4 here; they have a huge amount of information. If you go to the topics on the left side of your screen you can find threads that are specifically for stage IV (not that you can't post here as well, but being in the same situation allows them a better understanding than any of the rest have ). I am really sorry that you have been diagnosed, and am sending you many, many, many (((hugs))).  

  • Kruise
    Kruise Member Posts: 330
    edited December 2013

    hi Phillygurl- jeepers your story sounds like mine. I had been having annual mammos since 35 also as my Mum was diagnosed at 45 (she passed away age 50) but I found my lump on 1st Jan this year when annual mammo was due - so the cancer took off in that time frame.

    It is very hard to disassociate yourself from your Mums experience - because that is all we know. I too have to remind myself that I am not her. My Mum never had chemo when she was first diagnosed so I didn't hesitate to do that when it was offered to me. I kept looking at what I could do differently that she didn't do. I also only had a lumpectomy (on bs recommendation obviously) and Mum had a full mastectomy. 

    All I can say is you WILL get through the next year and you are stronger than you know!!

    Car2tenn - don't let your medical knowledge put you in a downward negative spiral!! Keep positive and believe in miracles - they do happen! Find the stories of women who are living proof of that. I read Jane Plants book 'your life is in your hands' - and there's a perfect example of that and a woman who has done great things for bc research worldwide. Our mental thoughts have such a huge impact on our bodies too. 

  • Phillygurl44
    Phillygurl44 Member Posts: 13
    edited December 2013

    Thanks for all of your responses and good advice.  It sucks to have this diagnosis, but the support I've found here has been so helpful.  I am definitely going to take this one step at a time and process each part. I've been feeling like I've been in a fog since the diagnosis and sort of floundering about for information when I felt I could handle it.  And yes I've seen the triple negative group…I'll likely start reading some info there as well.  So far all the things I've been reading about it have made me want to run screaming into the street (sorry, I've got a flair for the dramatic - at least in my thoughts).  So it helps to know that the other woman surviving this thing are not just the women shown on TV who seem to have it all together, but are living breathing women who give support and lean on each other when they need to.  Thank you all.

  • jackie25
    jackie25 Member Posts: 1
    edited December 2013

    I was just diagnosed at the end of November and will begin treatment in January (because I did not have medical coverage until Jan).  At first, when I heard the diagnosis, I was shocked, anxious and just plain scared.  Now...as I wait for the first part of treatment, I am ok (I think).  Maybe a little scared of the pain...but feel that I can do this.  At this point, I haven't even gotten the stage of the cancer...but was told it is at least a 3.  Someone here mentioned that life is precious...and I am realizing it even more now.  All of you on this site are angels and a blessing to me to be able to read your stories and words of encouragement.  Thank you so much and may God bless all of you.

  • bdavis
    bdavis Member Posts: 6,201
    edited December 2013

    Hi Jackie... Not sure what you mean by at least a 3. Stage III? 3cm?

  • annika12
    annika12 Member Posts: 433
    edited December 2013

    When I was first diagnosed (may2013 at age43) everyone here told me the emotional stage, the testing stage was the hardest and it would get easier when I had a treatment plan I kinda thought they were nuts......easier with chemo, surgery and rads ??? But they were so right, when you have a plan it DOES get easier, you get in fighting warrior mode !!! Don't ask Dr Google and have someone do the research for you if you have to or set a timer for like 30 min. It get's overwhelming to read and read......  I just finished chemo and surgery and I'm cancer free :) Good luck and the support of the ladies on here is most wonderful !!!

  • SandyS1964
    SandyS1964 Member Posts: 8
    edited January 2014

    I am new to this site and have never posted online but I want to say thank you to all of you informative courageous women. I was always very vigilant about my mammograms due to losing my mother to BC when she was 37 years old with 5 young girls, I was 11 when she died. In Dec 2012 I went in for my annual mammogram and was asked to return the next day since the radiologist saw a change from theprevious  year. He decided after the second mammo that it didn't look suspicious and gave me the all clear. 5 months later I noticed a dramatic difference between my right breast and my left, very dense tissue. Returned to my primary care, she refered me to a breast cancer specialist who immediately had my do an ultrasound with biopsy. Came back with a diagnosis Of Stage III IDC 10/24 lymphnodes were positive. I've been trying to stay positive and reading all the stories from other with worse diagnosis than mine as helped ease my mind tremendously. Thank you ! 

  • bdavis
    bdavis Member Posts: 6,201
    edited January 2014

    Sandy... so sorry for the diagnosis... But remember, stage III is not stage IV. And due diligence and continued follow up even after MX is important. Did you not have radiation? Are you hormone positive? Are you on any hormonal meds? Did you have the BRCA test? If not, you probably should, and then perhaps consider an oofrectomy?

  • Zillsnot4me
    Zillsnot4me Member Posts: 2,687
    edited January 2014

    Car2tenn. We're in the same boat and same neck of the woods. Not sure where you are in this journey but I just finished active treatment before Christmas. I had the whole lot - BMX, chemo and rads. Now on tamoxifen and go back in 4 months!

    It's doable. I have two small children and a very supportive but scared husband. There are meds for every side effect. Walk as much as you can. This site is awesome. There is always someone available 24/7.

    Good luck. 

  • SandyS1964
    SandyS1964 Member Posts: 8
    edited January 2014

    Hi bdavis thanks for the response. I am currently having radiation treatments will need 33 my oncologist said. I am also on tamoxifen because I am ER + PR + HER2 ~ .

    I'm wondering if many people get tested for CYP2D6 to see if tamoxifen will work well for them ? 

  • bdavis
    bdavis Member Posts: 6,201
    edited January 2014

    I asked my MO about that test and he poo poo'd it. Can't remember exactly what he said though. I am glad you are getting the rads and the tamoxifen. What about the BRCA test?

  • SandyS1964
    SandyS1964 Member Posts: 8
    edited January 2014

    Yes I had BRCA test and it came back negative which was a relief because of my family history. I have 4 sisters and a 24 year old daughter so it was a big concern for me. I'm feeling really good it's just the mental stuff right now.... I postponed reconstruction due to the amount of radiation. My plastic surgeon said it would be difficult to go with implants, not impossible just more difficult and higher chance of failure. I'm considering the DIEP flap in the future. Any advice or thoughts on the procedure ? Thanks much for your advice. 

  • bdavis
    bdavis Member Posts: 6,201
    edited January 2014

    Oh Sandy... About DIEP, I have a lot of advice. I did hours and hours of research before my surgery. And most importantly what I learned is that you need to start with the best as you get ONE shot at DIEP. After reading many stories and talking with women who'd gone before me, and then consulting with 3 plastic surgeons, I chose to travel to New Orleans where the doctors down there have the most experience, and a hospital just for breast reconstruction. They are perfectionists and going there is like a spa-like experience. I haven't met a single dissatisfied patient. In addition, they know what to do to remedy unexpected problems.  

    So whether you choose to go there for your DIEP or not, do make sure that your PS has TONS of microsurgical experience and does many DIEP surgeries per month. Mine does many per week. Ask to see pictures and to talk with their patients as a referral. I have seen too many women go locally to just end up in New Orleans to fix the problem. 

    If you are interested, I used Dr DellaCroce at the Center for Restorative Breast Surgery www.breastcenter.com

    I live in NJ and have NYC and Philly and did consult with Dr Allen in NYC, but he wasn't very interested in the aesthetics and a stage II surgery (where they tweak). Plus he told me he was going to have his BS retain breast fat  so he wouldn't need to harvest as much... Well, that was a deal breaker for me. STARTING in the right place is crucial IMO... 

    A lot of women read about DIEP and the recovery and are scared off.. It isn't nearly that bad. Besides, you have already had your MX. I think that is far harder.

  • SandyS1964
    SandyS1964 Member Posts: 8
    edited January 2014

    thanks again for all the great information! Love this site. 

  • Phillygurl44
    Phillygurl44 Member Posts: 13
    edited January 2014

    Okay, so since I last posted.  I've seen Oncology, both radiation and medical, genetic counselor and plastic surgeon.  What I know now:  IDC, 3 cm+ Stage IIa, Grade 3, ER-/PR-, HER2-.

    The options currently recommended are: Lumpectomy with sentinel node dissection with reduction (I'm currently a 40M with dense tissue) or MX.  I'm waiting for results for BRAC1/ BRAC2 tests.  But I really don't want to do the MX unless I absolutely have to.  I'm a bit nervous about the genetic testing and not wanting to have my ovaries removed.  I just turned 44.  *sigh*.  The BS - breast surgeon, right? says he thinks I'm a very good candidate for the lumpectomy since the tumor is not attached to the chest wall.  They've recommended both radiation and chemo and I'm a bit concerned about the chemo.  My mother had chemo and her cancer came back.  The oncologist said the chemo would be via IV so I asked the surgeon about a port (I'm a bad stick and have very small veins, not a good candidate for repeat IV's).  But I'm worried that I'm missing something.  The oncologist says my tumor was grade 3 and aggressive, but what does that mean?  I asked and she said the cells looked more "angry".  Angry cancer cells?  I think my normal cells would be angry the cancer is there!  

    I'm trying my best to learn all I can to make the best choices I can, but all of this info is very daunting.  I also have two boys, 4 and 1.  So I will need to find my hubby some help as we go through this process.  

    What else should I be asking?  Where else should I be looking?

  • bdavis
    bdavis Member Posts: 6,201
    edited January 2014

    And by doing the MX, I didn't need radiation.

    Ok... not worse than you first thought... so that is good. 

    About chemo, it isn't bad. I had 6 rounds of TC (taxotere, cytoxin) and worked fulltime, and even went on a 10-day vacation to St John between tx 3 and 4. So don't be afraid of that. The point of chemo is to kill any cancer cells that might have escaped BEFORE they land on the liver, bones, etc. SO I personally have no regrets with chemo. Plus, you need Herceptin being Her2 negative, and so you need chemo regardless. The hair loss was the worst part, but I have all my hair back and I got through it.

    About lumpectomy / radiation vs mastecomy. I had a lumpectomy, then chemo and was supposed to then have radiation. But for me, I chose to have a BMX because I wanted the best chance of no recurrence. The statistics say the survival rate between the two is the same, but the chance of recurrence rate is not.

    And by doing the MX, I didn't need radiation. After your sentinel node biopsy (I assume biopsy, not full dissection?) you can decide... So maybe start with a lumpectomy and then think about the radiation vs MX. But if you are BRCA positive, you really need the MX. It also is not so bad. I ended up with a BMX and GAP and DIEP flap reconstruction. I didn't want implants which can hurt and only last 10 years and need replacing. Plus they don't usually look very natural.

    Bottom line, you are doing all the right things, and you are young. So do all that you can so you never have to deal with this again.

  • Phillygurl44
    Phillygurl44 Member Posts: 13
    edited January 2014

    So you had the lumpectomy first and then decided to have a mastectomy?  

    And yes, it's probably sentinel node biopsy.  From everything they see so far there is no indication that the lymph nodes are involved, but we will see once the surgery happens.  

  • bdavis
    bdavis Member Posts: 6,201
    edited January 2014

    Yes, I had a lumpectomy, then chemo, then a BMX and reconstruction. And skipped rads (which I could do because I had the MX). And for the record, the recovery from the lumpectomy was a non-event. The SNB was a bit sore for a couple of weeks, and I had to lay low. No repetitive motions, like shoveling. This would give you some time to make a decision about MX and radiation, and reconstruction options, of which there are more than are usually presented to a patient. Usually, a breast surgeon works with a few plastic surgeons and they may only do a couple of different types of recon, and will probably tell the patient they aren't candidates for the more elaborate procedures, but this is usually self serving. Personally, I would have a lumpectomy and SNB, determine if you need chemo, and in the meantime, research reconstruction.

    Options include:

    • No reconstruction
    • Implants with an Alloderm sling (MX direct to implants)
    • Tissue Expander and then implants after a few expander fills
    • DIEP flap (using your abdominal fat, no muscle)
    • TRAM flap (using abdominal fat and muscle)
    • Lat flap (using lat fat (from the back) and muscle - but usually not enough fat for a full breast and implants are added)
    • GAP flap (using buttuck fat, no muscle)
    • TUG flap (using inner thigh fat, no muscle)
    • PAP flap (using rear upper thigh, no muscle)
    • Tdap flap (same as lat flap, no muscle - but usually not enough fat for a full breast)
    • A combination of some of these, like a DIEP and GAP at one time or DIEP and implant
    • Fat grafting - BRAVA method... a bit experimental

    I have had DIEP, GAP and tdap. most flap women have one flap type... all depends on the body type. 

    I also suggest looking at photos. If you post more, you can get access to the picture forum which can help a lot, and helped me decide what I wanted. For flap pictures, you can go to www.breastcenter.com

  • car2tenn
    car2tenn Member Posts: 515
    edited January 2014

    Thank you for your response…Where I am is learning all the options while I take Arimidex.  I am amazed at how little interaction I have had with the oncologist at a major University Health Center for Breast Cancer.  I have an appointment on the 15th and I hope to have more details.  On my own I have applied to a Proton Institute at Shands Hospital in Florida. Hope to get accepted.  Their motto is to redefine the definition of incurable. That appeals to me  to think it might be possible to cure. thanks Carolyn from Tennessee

  • midnight1327
    midnight1327 Member Posts: 1,475
    edited January 2014

    phillyqur, i got told the same thing about my cancer been grade 3, they said my cancer cells were really angry and very active, i thought at the time, they are not the only ones, i am not exactly thrilled over it all, my tumour was really small and they said, because the cells were angry  that by the time a proper lump had formed, i would of been almost not around, this was the august 2011 and i am still here, i am on tamoxifen for the five years, onlyhad the rads and surgery and the  tamoxifen. i only went in for a mamogram as i ws getting  pestered by Dr nurse to have it done and man that girl saved my life really, she said, would ring me and keep at me, so i thought i had better do it and i did, and i thank God he gave me that nurse who cared enough to be on my back about getting my mamo done. have a great rest of your weekend. hugs

  • Kruise
    Kruise Member Posts: 330
    edited January 2014

    phillygurl - I chose to have the chemo because my Mum didn't get that option - and she passed away. I know how easy it is to let our experiences of what happened to our mothers intervene - but just know that you are you - and try and take some quiet time in this madness to listen to what your intuition tells you. Chemo nowadays is a lot different. 

    Most triple negative breast cancers are angry/aggressive and that is why chemo works well on them. 

    My tumour was not near chest wall either so I chose lumpectomy - which was recommended by bs. Down the track at any time you can always chose MX. Once again having a MX doesn't obliterate the chance of reoccurrence. So you have to do what sits right with you at this time.

  • Phillygurl44
    Phillygurl44 Member Posts: 13
    edited January 2014

    Thanks.  Good things to consider.

  • vwatts
    vwatts Member Posts: 1
    edited January 2014

    Reading what you posted made me feel a bit better. I have my first appointment tomorrow with the Oncologist, and I was told by the doctor who did my biopsy that probably in my case, chemo will be first, then surgery. I am so scared that this has spread to other areas. I have slight blood in my urine, and for the past week I have what feels like a pea-sized something in my throat that is irritated every time I swallow. I am so scared right now, and for my future. I do have an appointment to go see a counselor/therapist on Friday. Because I know that I am not going to get through this on my own. Yes, I do have the Lord in my heart, and I do see that staircase, it's just Not knowing what lies beyond what you can see that I have a hard time with

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