Emotional side of DCIS/mastectomy

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  • mimi32
    mimi32 Member Posts: 61
    edited October 2013


    I am fairly new here. I was diagnosed with DCIS Sept 20th. I have decided to have a BMX with reconstruction. I actually have my appointment with the plastic surgeon today crossing my fingers to have a surgery date by the end of the week.


    When I was diagnosed I went through all the emotions described by all of you. Though I have remained fairly positive through all of this I do have days that I feel I can't get off the roller coaster. I/We wouldn't be human if we didn't experience these wide range of emotions and I personally find it very helpful to have a huge cry baby cry every now and then. One never knows how they will emotionally deal with being diagnosed with cancer no matter what type, grade or stage its all cancer and it affects our emotions and our life in a way that can not be understood by anyone that has not walked this path.


    For a brief time I allowed others ignorance to what DCIS is and is not make me second guess the appropriateness of my feelings and decisions. I then found myself searching these boards and found peace with the feelings, fears and anger I carry. Realizing you are not alone and finding justification for your emotions is a huge relief.


    Your posts and your stories (and I read every one of them in this thread) inspire me to tackle this journey one day at a time. I am thankful for every emotional good day that I have but I also embrace the bad ones as well. Now that I have made my treatment decision I'm ready to move forward and move on with the next phase in my cancer journey.

  • Ariom
    Ariom Member Posts: 6,197
    edited October 2013


    Mimi, what a beautiful and eloquent post!


    I wish you all the very best for your journey!


    ((((((Hugs))))))

  • momaton
    momaton Member Posts: 780
    edited December 2013

    wow, beesie,

    just what I needed to hear.

    edited to say I was responding to a post from 2009

  • momaton
    momaton Member Posts: 780
    edited January 2014

    thank you, thank you, thank you All for all the honest posts.

    This forum and all you beautiful women have really helped me in this crappy journey.

    I have extensive DCIS in my right breast. Through careful thought based upon your experiences and much research I have decided to have a DMX (nipple sparing, hopefully it will work) with my BS' blessing. I already have implants so I will not need a PS involved. My BS said she can take all the tissue out and use my implants. (lucky ?) because of the implants I am not a candidate for rads which I did not want anyway. I will be smaller, an A cup, but I will reduce my risk of recurrence greatly.

    I know I am lucky...ha ha...but I still feel very emotional about losing my breasts.  It really stinks.  Before I had my implants (20 years ago) I felt ugly. teasing by my dad (yes a totally pervert jerk who abused me) and former sister in laws...about how little I was  just devastated me. I have enjoyed breast feeding my 2 boys...my DH and I for that matter love my boobs.  it is so hard to think that they will be gone and I will be back to fried eggs...my ex-sister in law actually bought me a shirt with a picture of fried eggs on it.....sigh.

    In the bigger picture I know this shouldn't bother me....but it does. So many emotional scars based upon my sexuality.

    I am 57....and today is just a difficult day. Planning surgery for the 16th.......I know I am strong and all will be well...but this really sucks.

    thanks for letting me rant

    peace

  • hoping42
    hoping42 Member Posts: 117
    edited January 2014

    I, too, am inspired by all that post here!!!!!

    I have to be honest, though.  I do consider myself lucky.  Not find a penny and pick it up lucky but lucky that this was caught before I had to do EVEN more.  However, we most definitely are survivors!!!! Proud survivors, I think!  I think with the dx of dcis--we show that the earliest detection can make all the difference.  I guess I felt lucky that my dcis presented itself at the time of my screening mammogram.  I had a clear baseline at 35, then started annual mammos with my mom's diagnosis at 38.  Clear screenings at 38,39, 40 and 41.  My results at 42 were plemorphic microcalcifications.  Not there any of the other years.  I had very dense breasts and didn't really realize that that was a concern until my  dx.  Of  course I wish none was there to find!  I wish it hadn't been high grade with comedonecrosis---but maybe the calcifications were found out because of that rapidly occurring cell debris.  I don't know.  My imaging center uses digital mammography.  I am glad of that.  My sister know is being watched like a hawk with a 3D machine alternating with a breast mri.  I did not test positive for the BRACA mutation, but we do have a familial risk with mom's diagnosis.  She was 65.  I was 42.  She is doing great today though!!! Yay, MOM!

    We are the HUMAN BEINGS not the statistics that show that it may be possible to catch this beast a bit earlier than once may have been.  My mom was stage IIIc--she lost her breasts, her toenails, her hair.  She had chemo, radiation and is on Tamoxifen.  She could not do reconstruction due to skin damage. I HATE that my mom and others have to or had to go through all of that.  I know we all wish that!

    I believe this is what all survivors have in common---We all have "war wounds"  and emotional scars, too.  Our paths are different, the journey is different---but we all understand what it is like to be told you have cancer and then on to sorting through the options, information all the while on an emotional wave.  We all get when someone says "It will be okay"--you sure hope they are right!!!!  We get when people mean well, but they say "dumb" things and really wish they had just not said anything at all.  

    As for normal, I am still figuring out what that is--definitely a "new normal" and no one can define that for me, except for me.  I will figure it out! (:  (with the people that mean the most to me, and maybe even with the help from some of the people that said "dumb" things---with use of an edit button  (:  )

    Here is to a wonderful new year!!!!

    xo Danielle

    ***edited to clarify what I was trying to say--proofreading.  (:

  • Pattykoch
    Pattykoch Member Posts: 3
    edited January 2014

    oh my!

    Not sure you will ever read this,( many years later), but reading you, made me cry and you wrote exactly how I feel... I should feel lucky, but then again I don't... I have the depression kicking in only now... A couple of months later..I sure do hope it will get better. ( but I feel very lonely with my emotions). I have shut myself a bit out from everybody because they don't realize the emotional impact it has on me...( they keep saying how lucky I am...). Also , i must be strong for everybody else... But am glad I read you. It surely helps. Thanks so much!

  • Pattykoch
    Pattykoch Member Posts: 3
    edited January 2014

    Beesie,

    oh my!

    Not sure you will ever read this,( many years later), but reading you, made me cry and you wrote exactly how I feel... I should feel lucky, but then again I don't... I have the depression kicking in only now... A couple of months later..I sure do hope it will get better. ( but I feel very lonely with my emotions). I have shut myself a bit out from everybody because they don't realize the emotional impact it has on me...( they keep saying how lucky I am...). Also , i must be strong for everybody else... But am glad I read you. It surely helps. Thanks so much!

  • Barn-Owl
    Barn-Owl Member Posts: 5
    edited January 2014

    Pattykoch, 

    I hear you! I have two things to say:

    (1) Shutting yourself off from others is a symptom of clinical depression. Major clinical depression can be triggered by physical trauma and/or emotional shock-- and a mastectomy certainly is both! I urge you to call your physician today; tell whoever answers the phone that you need an appointment or referral.

    Depression can affect relationships, work, your ability to sleep, think,
    remember, cope, motivate, get out of bed.... It's debilitating and serious.

    I speak from decades of experience with clinical depression due to erratic brain chemistry. Medicine helps enormously.

    (2) In my opinion, losing a breast to carcinoma is not lucky any more than losing a leg in a car accident is lucky. It is a horrible and frightening thing. Intellectually, you may recognize that "it could have been worse," while simultaneously having feelings of sadness, loss, fear or anger. All are legitimate.

    ~ in kindness

  • hoping42
    hoping42 Member Posts: 117
    edited January 2014

    I totally agree!  "Lucky" is a word that takes on a whole new meaning.  I hope no one takes it as I skip along whistling at what I have been through.  I don't.  I just, yeah, I guess I always have that "it could have been worse" voice.  Weirdly, my husband was in a terrible accident on October 30, 2012.  He was hit by a man who ran a red light.  Both were going 45 miles per hour.  Our car was destroyed.  The fire chief and paramedics commented that one second could have made the difference of him "walking away" or not.  He got away with "just" a shoulder injury that required surgery and 3 months off work.  I guess it is how we coped with that too.  "Lucky" that that was all the 'damage' done to him.  I was dx January 8, 2013.  A lot has happened to our family in the last couple of years.  Our daughter who just turned 12 has seen more than I would like and again, this word is just how we make heads or tails of very bad, very sad, incomprehensible events.

    I just wanted to make sure everyone knew where I was coming from.  And I certainly don't discount or don't appreciate the living he** associated with this.  

    Love and true admiration of all,

    xo Danielle

  • otceb
    otceb Member Posts: 156
    edited January 2014

    Hi Pattykoch, I just want you to know that we all care about you and we want you to reach out to your community to get the help you need. Please do also vent/post here to share your thoughts, there are amazing women on these threads who will likely have words that make you feel better. Take care.

  • Ariom
    Ariom Member Posts: 6,197
    edited January 2014

    Pattykoch! I feel for you and the feelings you are having right now. 

    I was very fortunate to have met with a Breast Cancer support group before I had my surgery, not something I had planned to do, but it has proven to be a positive for me. We meet once a month and although BC is never the focus of our meeting, if anyone has a question or a problem we all get very involved in the discussion. There are all stages, many having treatment, and unfortunately newly Dx every month or so. I have made so many firm friends there, and they all just "Get it!"  If you could see your way to perhaps just reach out to a BC group in your area, it may give you the support you need right now.  

    Danielle, I understand totally what you mean! I had to smile at your reference to the whistling while skipping along! I am not doing that either!

    My experience has been one of intense relief, feeling lucky, both for my Dx and for how I feel about the results of my surgery. I do feel "lucky" in so many ways, and that shift I felt, during my recuperation, is all positive.

    Don't think for a moment that I don't understand the fear and the depression that many experience during this journey. I agree with Barn-Owl that all feelings are absolutely, legitimate.

    I too, have a husband who had a terrible accident, not recently, but 36 years ago, many years before I met him. He became a C5/6 quadriplegic in a hang gliding accident when he was 20, just 4 months before his 21st birthday. He didn't walk away from it, but he still considers himself lucky.

    When I met him over 15 years ago, I was taken with his incredible will to never let his disability get in the way of anything. Without going on and on, about his amazing achievements over the years, and without any accident insurance to fund any of it, I have to say that watching his daily struggle, put what I have experienced in the past year right into perspective, for me.  

    He has been a "Rock" for me in every way, from his solid belief that we could get through whatever the final Dx may turn out to be. To his wonderful reaction to the sight of my scar just hours after the surgery, and his teary response at my final pathology result.

    I know it is all a matter of perspective, how you view yourself, and how those around you act and make you feel. Having negative responses from the people around you would make such a difference to recovery.

    I would urge you Pattykoch to reach out for support, for your feelings of depression and also to others, who totally "Get" what you're experiencing. I know it takes a bit of courage to do it, but I would be willing to bet that you'd be surprised at how much better you'd feel with the added support. Coming here is also a great way to feel a part of a group who all understand what you're going through and will offer hugs and understanding.

    You don't ever have to feel alone in this! (((((hugs)))))  

  • momaton
    momaton Member Posts: 780
    edited January 2014

    Patty,

    Yes to what everyone said....talk to someone.

    30 years ago I was newly married and OMG what a mistake....fell into a huge depression....because my new husband was treating me like my sexually abusive father did....

    I went to a therapist and her first words to me after hearing my story were..."your father and husband are b****rds...ha ha ha ! That validation was all it took for me to be strong and move on.

    I do not feel lucky at all...

    I feel fortunate that have a great team that includes my doctors and friends and my big brother and especially my husband....but lucky that I have an early cancer...no...I am pissed.

    I am having a DMX on Jan. 17th.  lucky...no way.

    I have never felt lucky.

    But I feel the true love of my children, my friends, family and my hubby.

    for me there is nothing more needed than that.

  • Skiergirl
    Skiergirl Member Posts: 16
    edited January 2014

    Hi all, another newcomer here. My routine mammogram showed calcifications, and following stereotactic biopsy I was diagnosed with DCIS Stage 0 at about twelve o'clock, above my nipple.  I had more suspicious areas also at three o'clock and at 9 o'clock (easiest way to describe it.).  I have strong family history (younger sister, aunt, grandmother) of invasive disease, but I was BRCA negative. The amount my BS would remove in a lumpectomy was so significant, I had a mastectomy (Right) with immediate reconstructive surgery (TRAM flap).   Two lymph nodes were taken and tested, and found to be clear (thankfully) - so, I, too do not require chemo or radiation.  I feel, I don't know, "lucky" is not the word I would use.  "More fortunate than many" is a better way to describe it.  It was a BIG surgery, I had never had any surgery before.  I have a v. supportive husband and family. 

    There is a newly diagnosed group at my health centre, but I don't feel like I fit there.  I know I need to learn about hormone-preventive therapy, but so many of these other women have been through the ringer with other therapies, that I feel like I don't belong there.  I have some residual pain, cannot roll over in bed just yet, limited range of motion in my arm, and a lot to get used to my new body.  I am thankful for early detection, but I am sad about losing my breast, and the former me. I know I should feel better about it all. 

    Most other people don't really get it -

    Thanks for listening

  • Ariom
    Ariom Member Posts: 6,197
    edited January 2014

    Hi Skiergirl, and welcome! This is a great place to come for support, and advice if you need it.

    I had the same Dx as you, and was directed toward a BC group before my surgery. I only went to the meeting because I didn't want to be seen as a snob for not accepting the invitation! LOL

    I was determined that BC was not going to become a "Hobby" for me. How wrong  was I! The group I belong to just meets once a month and there are as many Dx as there are women who are living with this. At first I felt that I was so fortunate, actually I do feel lucky, with my Dx, that I thought I may not "fit in", but have actually found it to be the opposite. I was welcomed with open arms, not a hint of judgement from anyone of any Dx. We have a number of stage lV ladies, newbies, and some with new primaries or recurrence after many years. It is a very mixed bag of ages too. Cancer isn't the subject of discussion unless someone wants it to be. Support is what it is about and also what you bring in the way of skills, or the simple, ability to listen. I have found a cameraderie with these women which is different to what I experience with other women who have not "felt the fear" or been Dx with any form of BC.

    I understand totally, if you don't feel a group is for you, but don't be put off by what you "perceive" it to be, if you haven't met with the group. I'd be surprised if you didn't find them extending the hand of friendship and support to you, and helping you with their expertise regarding treatments etc. It's highly unlikely that you'll be the only one with this Dx. We have 3 in our group of 13.

    Your input to the group and support of newbies coming along after you, could be really valued, and good for you too.

    Just a thought!

  • Skiergirl
    Skiergirl Member Posts: 16
    edited January 2014

    Thanks, Ariom, for your kind words and good advice.  I do feel I need to talk, and it would be great to talk to others who have been there.  I will give it a try.  

    Thank you!

  • Ariom
    Ariom Member Posts: 6,197
    edited January 2014

    Good Luck to you Skiergirl!

    Let us know how you get on!

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