Skipping mammogram?
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I will be 6 years out this spring. YES!
So, Friday I had my gyno checkup - I am post-menopausal, but still am on vagifem because being dry is very painful for me, so I still see gynecologist. She said the sensible - don't need a Pap - only every 3 years.
Then I said that the breast center has said I can go back on screening mammos rather than diagnostic -- they have all been clear. And I said that I wasn't sure I could do a screening mammo - I had to wait 7 weeks for my diagnostic mammo, and got PTSDish, and I don't know if I can take waiting for the results. Gyn said that the standards for older women accept the idea of skipping mammo, and only doing one every other year.
To be honest, this appeals to me. I never had screening mammos before diagnosis - I just don't particularly believe in them, as in the beginning we could never get the timing right (very irregular periods), and, then the more I read about what a little effect mammos have on life expectancy, I just decided not to bother. I found my cancer myself.
Has anyone else every discussed this with her docs? -
Merry Christmas I Can Do This,
I am also 6 1/2 years out since diagnosis and treatment. Yay! My cancer was found with a regular screening mammogram. Now, once a year I have diagnostic mammograms. I get the results back within two days. I have a regular pap every couple of years even though I've had a total hysterectomy, as I think my cervix is still intact.
Waiting 7 weeks to get the mammo is just ridiculous ... no wonder you want to skip it.
Wishing you all the best with your decision.
hugs,
Bren
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What is the difference between a screening mammo and a diagnostic mammo?
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I have had both types of mamos, the diagnostic was when they thought something was wrong as well as during the first few years. They took more screens and read and told me the results the same day
now since all clear at 5 years, my mamos will be screening, one shot per angle and I will have to wait a couple of daysI do prefer the diagnostic but like that it is no longer as urgent
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ICAN... You ask a great question! However, there is NO right answer. Depending on how high your recurrence risk should guide how often you need to be screened. H. Gilbert Welch, MD and others have argued that while screening mammos save lives, they believe they don't save as many lives as we are led to believe. Diagnostic mammos do save a lot more lives. According to the US Preventitive Task Force, screening mammos save the most lives in the over 50 and I think, under 70 age range. Many countries, including Canada recommend screening for that age range, every two years. But here's the catch, those of us who have already been diagnosed, are not included in the recommendation.
In February I will be 4 years out from my initial diagnosis and several months ago, my radiologist told me I could resume annual screening mammos. I was THRILLED to hear that. I trust my doctor, so I am VERY comfortable with his recommendation.
Likewise, I have an 88 year old mom who until recently went for annual screening mammos. I spoke to several of her doctors and they all insisted that she continue getting mammos until her health deteriorated. Mom, who is a retired nurse, sister who is also a nurse and I discussed it together and we all agreed that she would no longer continue being screened. Mom is very comfortable with the decision after we spoke about all the pros and cons.
So, what I'm saying is that you need to figure out what is your future risk and match that to your comfort level. If you trust your physician and trust their recommendation and are comfortable, then you've arrived at what's right for you!
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I don't believe it is the standard of care to skip a mammogram for a person with breast cancer. I also found my cancer lump myself but 7 years out from my surgery, the mammogram found calcifications and they turned out to be LCIS and ALH. So I feel happy this was found before anything invasive developed.
The answer in my opinion is to find a center that will give you the mammography results the same day. I can't tolerate the stress of waiting for test results either. Definitely PTSD sets in. Many places do give you mammography results while you are there. I tell them I've had breast cancer and am very nervous waiting for results. They have always given me results right then while I am there. Schedule your mammogram when there is a radiologist present so you can get results.
7 weeks sounds like an oversight. There is a law about reports being dictated within a certain number of hours. Think it is 48 hours where I live. You can always go to the hospital or center a few days after the test and sign a release so they can give you the results. So at the most you should only be waiting a few days.
I get diagnostic mammograms when there is an area of concern and screening mammograms otherwise. But just had my BMX, so no more for me.
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http://m.annonc.oxfordjournals.org/content/early/2013/08/22/annonc.mdt284.full
"follow-up and long-term implications
The aims of follow-up are to detect early local recurrences or contralateral breast cancer, to evaluate and treat therapy-related complications (such as menopausal symptoms, osteoporosis and second cancers), to motivate patients continuing ET and to provide psychological support and information in order to enable a return to normal life after breast cancer...
...Despite the fact that no randomised data exist to support any particular follow-up sequence or protocol, balancing patient needs and follow-up costs, we recommend regular visits every 3 to 4 months in the first 2 years, every 6 months from years 3–5 and annually thereafter [V, A]..."
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I am Stage 2b, hopefully not intruding on your forum.
I too am skipping mammograms. My insurance recently switched places I can go and I do not like the new center. I discussed this with my MO and she wasn't pleased, but understood. I also have extremely dense breast tissue so I don't feel that mammos are that beneficial anyway. I found my lump before dx, I figure I will find any others, although my recurrence risk is not in the breasts but elsewhere. After being informed, I think we all need to do what we feel is right.
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VR: here's your guy Welch in the NYT op ed opining more about mammograms, and whether they are good or bad, in essence. It really must come down to one word for the masses, for public policy. The grays, the splitting hairs, the conflicting data…well, that's just anathema to the screening 'movement'. It discourages people, muddies the 'message'.
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It is, of course, a very personal decision. I have just recently undergone a UMX after being dx'd with IDC. The tumors (2) were found during a screening mammogram. Neither myself or any of my doctors could feel either one of the lumps. I would have gone at least another year or longer before I had another mammogram and exam, and who knows how much further advanced the cancer would have been by then. That screening mammogram saved me, and I certainly am grateful for it.
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Jessica, if you read the late Handel Reynold, MD's book, The Big Squeeze, he explains why there will never be a study like the one Dr. Welch suggests. And regarding public policy, there IS a public policy that was recommended by the Preventative Task Force that was rejected by radiologists and advocacy groups.
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Jessica - Thanks for the link. Very interesting article. I am still a little unsure about what they define to be overtreated. Is that in regard to DCIS only? Low grade IDC? Of course the million dollar question is "who" is being overtreated.
Does anyone know if your body can kill cancer on its own, thereby causing a tumor to go away by itself? (Just wondering.)
As a twenty year veteran of high risk screening I tell you quite frankly that one of the big reasons I chose a PBM was to stop the madness of the screenings.
VR - I read Dr Handel's book in one sitting then passed it to my neighbor. It is a MUST read. So very fascinating that DCIS was not even a dx pre-mammograms.
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Yes, farmer...Dr. Handel Reynold's book, The Big Squeeze is a MUST read. Made my head spin for days! I love reading books that shake up my brain cells!
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I am over 5 years post diagnosis and have been back on screening mammograms yearly for the past 2 years. I usually get my results within a week. I make sure I go every year. My cancer was found on a regular screening and was very tiny. It may have been another year or two before I felt a lump.
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I have not read Dr Reynold's book but I am confused. DCIS was not a dx before mammograms? Then what did I have?
I was a year out from my last clean mammogram when I noticed a bloody discharge from my nipple. After a diagnostic mammogram, ultrasound, stereotactic biopsy and other punch biopsies and an MRI, I was diagnosed with multi-focal and multi-centric DCIS and told I needed an MX given how extensive the DCIS was throughout three quadrants of my breast. I was told I'd only had the DCIS for about 6 months. Nothing showed on the mammogram of a year ago. And, given the current recommendation for a mammogram every other year and no family history of BC, I would have gone another year without one, but for the nipple discharge.
I was treated at a top national comprehensive cancer center. When I met with my surgeon to get my post surgery pathology report, he told me there was a "surprise" in my report that no one expected based on all the pre-surgery diagnostic tools -- a 3mm IDC triple negative tumor and numerous microinvasions. My surgeon is confident that I only had DCIS for 6 months, and yet it became invasive in that short amount of time. So, far from an over diagnosed and innocuous condition, I had triple negative IDC. Suddenly, the option of chemo was under serious discussion.
Despite all of the diagnostic tools, rather than having a benign condition that was over treated, I had an invasive and dangerous type of cancer that would have progressed for another year until my next mammogram but for the nipple discharge. Yet no one knew it was IDC until after my MX for DCIS. Based on much current commentary, my well documented Stage 0 DCIS did not require a rush to treatment and perhaps did not need to be treated at all! And yet . . . .
I don't think we should overlook the fact that everyone writing on the topic these days has an agenda and that cost containment is at the heart of much of what is currently being written and recommended. And I am horrified by those who suggest that, because BC treatments have improved, we don't need to worry so much about catching it early because it is more treatable now than it used to be. So, let's stop with all this scaring and over treating women with DCIS. Instead, let's have the disease progress in the unlucky few like me to a stage where we can feel it. Of course, at that point a woman will need a much more intensive, extensive and expensive course of treatment. But, she will probably survive. And, sacrificing her is fine because overall it will be less expensive for society to stop over treating DCIS. We realize some women will be sacrificed on the altar of cost savings, but that's okay (unless you're that woman, of course).
IMO, until we know for certain which cases of DCIS will become invasive or already have become invasive, all of the talk about over treatment is just that -- talk.
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Jane - Excellent points. Let me re-phrase the DCIS issue from Dr Handel's book - he says that before mammograms no one knew they had DCIS, unless they had a biopsy for something else and it was an incidental finding. I know I am not doing his book justice with my Tamoxifen brain. I am with you - the over treat thing is a big question for me.
So sorry for the nasty surprise. It happened to me also. It is a very hard pill to swallow.
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JaneB1, eloquently and concisely stated. You got to the heart of the matter, cost containment. Thanks goodness you had the doctors that you had.
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All that press about too many biopsy's with negative results I believe led my doctor to tell me the calcifications I had were "probably nothing" in October of 2012 after she recommended a stereotactic biopsy that couldn't be completed because they couldn't see the calcifications with that machine and stopped the procedure. I have dense breasts and they suggested coming back in 6 months which I did, no change, come back in 6 months again. Well this last October the tumor got big enough to see on the mammogram and ultrasound. I found out that the radiology report in October 2012 suggested a surgical biopsy if a stereotactic biopsy couldn't be completed and my doctor never bothered to tell me about their recommendation. Luckily I am still stage I with no nodes. I had to fight to get an MRI before surgery. As I told the doctor I didn't want to find out I had more tumors after they did surgery for the one they could see on a mammogram. Needless to say I went elsewhere for my lumpectomy. Get copies of all the reports and figure out what they mean for yourself. Insist on the right tests. No one will ever be as interested in your case as you will be.
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