Starting Chemo in December 2013

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  • OneTexasDay
    OneTexasDay Member Posts: 162
    edited December 2013

    yep. Downed my Carbiplatin and Finishing up my Herceptin now.  And then getting a cold cap change and headed home.  2 down --- 4 to go!

    Here's to zero SEs for us both. Cheers!

  • OneTexasDay
    OneTexasDay Member Posts: 162
    edited December 2013

    and we are home, last cold cap comes off in 10 minutes and then I am climbing under warm covers. 

  • beths1
    beths1 Member Posts: 44
    edited December 2013

    hello ladies,

    I am so happy to have located such a wonderful group.  Looking for and needing all the support I can get. You seem to have a great handle on things.  I just received my first infusion of the red devil this past Monday.  Nelsusta shot on Tuesday and have been so sick since then.  Taking compazzine  emmend and zofran to fight nausea  but it has been a losing battle.  Can't eat. Trying to drink but hard holding anything down.  I have 4 -6 infusions of AC before switching to Th for another 12weeks.  It seems so far out.  How will I ever survive this? Will it stay this bad? Do you have any recommendations?  Hope I don't come across whinny ..you al. Sound so strong.  I want to feel strong but right now I feel scared lost and s sad.

    Haven't started to deal with the hair loss yet but know I need to.

    Anyone have some thoughts or advice. It is greatly appreciated. Beths

  • beths1
    beths1 Member Posts: 44
    edited December 2013

    jackieak. I am amazed -at your energy and spirit.  I am going through the same course and feel shaky drained and so weak.  Do you take steroids with each infusion?  Does that help with nausea/ energy or both. Maybe I am missing something.

  • beths1
    beths1 Member Posts: 44
    edited December 2013

    jackieak. I am amazed -at your energy and spirit.  I am going through the same course and feel shaky drained and so weak.  Do you take steroids with each infusion?  Does that help with nausea/ energy or both. Maybe I am missing something.

  • kjfromca
    kjfromca Member Posts: 283
    edited December 2013

    beths1 - Hang in there.  I am so sorry that you are feeling so bad right now.  I have had 2 rounds of chemo so far, my next round is next Thurs.  My first round was pretty rough, second round not as bad.  I find that a heating pad helps me a lot, stomach, back, neck.  If you are throwing up, I recommend that you call your MO's office, they might need to change your meds, also you don't want to get dehydrated.  

    For those of you losing your hair, I was hoping the rest of my hair falls out in the shower tomorrow, it is driving me nuts.  I think I will try the lent roller before bed tonight. Thanks RobinLK for that info.

    Kim

  • QuirkyGirl
    QuirkyGirl Member Posts: 383
    edited December 2013

    hang in there, Beth!  I'm doing TC and days 4-6 were wretched but it steadily improved after that barring a late in the game weird rash.  It gets better!!

  • jackieak
    jackieak Member Posts: 169
    edited December 2013

    beths1

    I'm so sorry you are having such bad side effects.  I had 2nd one yesterday, and today I went to work for about 6 hours, met my Friday night gang, except my Friday margarita is now hot lemon water...then met my family for dinner.  It was pushing it, but I felt good all day and wanted to keep my once normal schedule...I am worn out now and will take an Ativan tonight.

    I took a steroid this morning, I think it helps with energy and nausea, did not take the night dose, and may not take it tomorrow if I feel ok.  So far I feel better than the first AC, but we will see what the neulasta shot beings, took claritan as well and will tomorrow.  I had a steroid in my chemo and am suppose to take two pills the following two days.  I think the 80 ounces of water I drank day before, day of and today is the key.  I hope you feel better soon.

    The hair is filling the brush today, and I'm ready for my new look New Years Eve, hope to get a few more real hair days!

  • count_it_all_joy
    count_it_all_joy Member Posts: 130
    edited December 2013

    beths1 - hang in there!  I'm doing the red devil too - and while my first round was just awful and landed me in the hospital with a neutropenic fever, etc, this second round so far is encouraging.  I'm only starting day 3, so there are difficulties to come yet, but I'm at a better place than I was last time around.  You'll keep getting tricks under your belt that make you feel a little more in control of the side effects, and your body is supposed to adjust to the neulasta effect better after this first time.  I would talk with your MO about steroids the day before/of/after chemo.  Although it steals my sleep, I do think it makes the first days easier.  Also, the Clariton/Alleve the day before/of/after the neulasta shot is helpful - at least it seems to be this time around.  My first time I was up crying on the couch a couple nights while my bones were stretching inside.  My heart goes out to you, this can be really hard.  It will pass, and you'll be amazed to find your energy and mood rebound, and you will feel like yourself again.  Think of this as a really bad flu, drink LOTS of water to flush this out, walk whenever you can make yourself (helps with the bone pain), even if it's only up the block and back to the house.  Let people love on you, and don't say no to anything they're willing to do for you.  :)   You deserve to be coddled through this.  

    Mary

  • rlrichie
    rlrichie Member Posts: 4
    edited December 2013

    momat927 and keepthefaith,

    I started TC on Dec. 18. I don't think I am tolerating it very well. It seems worse than the AC I had in 2001 (of course, I'm 12 years older, as well). But maybe this is a first time reaction and it will get better...

    best,

    Becca

  • DJJ
    DJJ Member Posts: 229
    edited December 2013

    Beths1, I'm sorry you feel so bad after your first round of AC.  Definitely call your MO.  The first few days after my first AC was also horrible.  My MO changed my meds and it got much better and my second round was easier then the first.  Different meds work for different people and it turned out for me that the Compazine was knocking me out and not helping with the Nausea.  Hang in there!

    Those of you that are doing acupuncture for the nausea do you notice that it's working?  I think I may try it for my third round.

  • Carol99
    Carol99 Member Posts: 116
    edited December 2013

    Beths1, I was also really nauseous & had bad back pain.  My first infusion A/C was Mon. 12/16, by the weekend I started to be less nauseous but still had pain until Christmas.

    I get a steroids with the infusion, and take one for the two days following.  Also, compazine & Ativan for sleeping & nausea.  So the first 2 days are not as bad, it kicks in worse days 3/4.  My 2nd round is Monday, I notice some shedding of my hair today.

    I hope you get some comfort, I tried to doing a lot of water, ginger ale, seltzer water.  It's important to flush out the cytoxan.

    Good luck, everyone here is so helpful.

    Carol <3

  • Crazywabbit
    Crazywabbit Member Posts: 563
    edited December 2013

    beths1

    Everyone tolerates the chemo differently and from what I am reading each cycle can be different and for you hopefully better.  You should definitely   be in touch with your MO if you are still nauseated and should call today since it has been 4 days. Either your doc or a covering doc can help you.  Do not feel like you are bothering them. Just call!

    Steroids may help, Ativan, a mild tranquilizer, can also help both by cutting your anxiety and it has some anti nausea effects on its own.  I have found it is a Godsend for getting a full night's  sleep.  Without it I was waking up at 2-3 AM and not getting back to sleep due to my mind just thinking about all this too much. 

    Please call your doctor today and get some relief. 

    Barbara

  • momat927
    momat927 Member Posts: 173
    edited December 2013

    beths1  I am getting TC and yesterday was tx 2.  I take large doses of steroids day before, day of, and day after and it seems to really help postpone SE's.  I needed Ativan to sleep though. By day four, sometimes three, SE 's kick in and I am waiting to see if same/ different from first chemo.  I have learned to call my MO pretty quickly and so far he has addressed everything   Wishing you an easier ride.  momat927

  • jackieak
    jackieak Member Posts: 169
    edited December 2013

    didn't sleep real well, the Ativan gets me to sleep just doesn't keep me asleep.  Woke up with a headache and tummy rumbling....and when laying on my side the heart felt it was racing, which made me nervous so I laid on my back and took many deep breaths and it went away....maybe my anxiety of it all.  Feel tired today and sluggish, took my steroid and Claritin and Tylenol for the headache...hoping it gets better through the day, will try to do a short walk today and drink some ginger tea, cause my morning coffee is gagging me today...and I so love my coffee.

  • OneTexasDay
    OneTexasDay Member Posts: 162
    edited December 2013

    Beth,

    Being strong is great and often required with this journey we are all on .... But that doesn't mean you should suffer needlessly

    Tell your MO what you are dealing with and I'd be surprised if they don't offer you other options to try or at least some suggestions to help. That is their job. 

    Have you been happy with you MO so far?

  • keepthefaith
    keepthefaith Member Posts: 2,156
    edited December 2013

    feeling good on day 2, but getting sleepy. I am hoping my steroids wear off soon so I can get some good sleep. I only took one steroid last night instead of the two I was supposed to. Nothing seems to help...no achiness yet. Taking claritin. I still have some hair!:)

    Have a good week-end ladies!

    becca, beths, jackie, hope you all feel  better soon! stay on top of the SE's so they don't get the best of you.


     

  • Carol99
    Carol99 Member Posts: 116
    edited December 2013

    I've read somewhere, on this board maybe.  SE's worse for round 2 but shorter in duration.  Wishing you comfort.

    Jackie, I take .5 Ativan but my MO said I can double it if needed, I have & it keeps my sleeping for a good 6 hours.

    Good luck brave ladies.

  • jackieak
    jackieak Member Posts: 169
    edited December 2013

    yes, I think I will do two Ativan tonight, I need better sleep.  I've been doing laundry and putzing around the house, the steroid does give you a boost.  Tried a scrambled egg, and oatmeal....few bites went ok, I made jello which I'm craving now.   I have to say I do not have the fog head (yet) like I did with round two, and nor the nausea...the side effects so far are better than round one.

    Just made my head shave appointment for 10am 12/31, taking the hair off in 2013 so I can be born again for 2014.  I hope my stylist can trim my wig to where I like my bangs...plan an early New Year's Eve dinner with the new doo.

  • kimie06
    kimie06 Member Posts: 215
    edited December 2013

    Beths1  hang in there, my first round was T-err-ible.......I had days of this nasty haze. nausea...couldn't shake it feeling.....but I talked to my drs constantly and they switched my meds for my second dose which was on the 20th and I just started feeling normal again yesterday but this time wasn't nearly as bad as the first, maybe I had a bug or something on top of it...but I feel your pain, and I know its hard when you feel like crap, but drink, drink...hang in there you will come around, we are all rooting for you...!! 

    its time for another shorter buzz on the head.....Im at the point Id rather be shiny bald then deal with this itchy, irritable head !!

    chins up ladies,  we've got this

  • KLI
    KLI Member Posts: 52
    edited December 2013

    hi everyone, day 1 and 2 felt much better now on day 3 hit a wall of exhaustion like I have never felt. First day off steroids maybe. Feel like I am moving through lead. Think I am starting to feel achey from neulasta does that make you tired as well?  Hoping I actually sleep at night and don't feel like this tomorrow....

  • momat927
    momat927 Member Posts: 173
    edited December 2013

    KLI  not sure Neulasta made me tired but day steroids wore off I couldn't get off couch.  Going to read about Neulasta & fatigue to check.  MO told me that feeling weary normal. momat927

  • nursemom
    nursemom Member Posts: 8
    edited December 2013

    Paloverde, I am also still getting my TEs filled during chemo.  At first my PS was pushing for bigger fills to get the exchange surgery done faster, but once we found out I needed chemo, she actually slowed them down.  I cannot have the exchange until 4-6 weeks after my last chemo, so she told me to go slower and ease the pain.  I am getting 30cc fills.  I was going every week, but took two weeks off for christmas and new years.  My PS said there is no real risk for the fills during chemo.  I did end up back at the drs last week, about 2 weeks after my first TC dose with a 103 fever.  Neutophils 0.3, so they started me on an antibiotic and I have to start the nuelasta shot after this weeks chemo.  I asked the MO specifically if there would be any risk for getting the fills and he said no, to continue like I am.  He does check and feel the expander ever visit for any sign of infection.  I like getting just the 30cc fills, its sore for a day or two but not intolerable.  I take 1/2 a valium before I go for the fill to loosen the muscles first.  My PS told me most people take the percocet and valium for the entire time the expander is in place, even after she has reached my total fill.  It is still pretty uncomfortable to me first thing in the morning and when I am trying to sleep.

    I didn't have much nausea with first round, but the compazine gave me a horrible feeling in my head.  Has anyone had that reaction to the zofran? My MO warned me that the SE generally get a little worse with each round and want to have something on hand if I need it, but I don't think I can handle the foggy feeling from the compazine again.

    My hair is gone, started shedding day 14, clumps of hair everywhere.  Waited till the day after christmas and buzzed it off myself with #3.  Tiny hairs everywhere whenever I shower, I think I will be happy when it is all gone.  Still not comfortable with anyone seeing me without the wig.  My kids saw it once and told me always wear the wig (9 and 5 year olds are so honest). Hard to get used to the itchness of the wig though.  I have some knit hats I am hoping I can start wearing around the house without freaking the little ones out too much.

    First Neulasta shot coming Tuesday. I have the claritan ready, but really nervous about the bone pain.  Neutrophils dropped so far after round one, I don't have much of a choice.  And I am a nurse who works in the hospital.  Prime place to pick up any infection, so I guess a little discomfort is worth the extra protection.

  • Carol99
    Carol99 Member Posts: 116
    edited December 2013

    I had bone pain, I took Claritin only the day of my shot.  I'm going to take it for a fews days this time.  The pain started the day after for a couple days, subsided and came back about day 5 in my back.  I managed it with ES Tylenol/Motrin alternating.  I have round 2 tomorrow, my hair is shedding a bit.  

    I'm not a nurse but I also work in a hospital.  Worse place for sickness!

    Good luck tomorrow, praying for less SE's.

  • QuirkyGirl
    QuirkyGirl Member Posts: 383
    edited December 2013

    jackieak - I had the same issue with heart racing and there were a few days I seemed stuck at 125 bpm.  I also got out of breath very quickly.  I've heard that can be one of the SE.  But both passed after a few days.

    Nursemom - I'm at the same point with my hair. Ready to be full on bald than the prickly bits.  When I had debilitating bond pain I ended up on prescription pain killers alternating with 800 mg of ibuprofen.  It worked so if it gets bad, be sure to call your MO or whoever is on call.

  • Spoomsister
    Spoomsister Member Posts: 61
    edited December 2013

    Hello everyone!  I am new to this thread, but not new to the site.  I am getting my 3rd round of AC on Tuesday, and I am so nervous for some reason.  I hate the bone pain the Neulasta shot causes, even with the Claritan and Mobic my Dr. prescribed.  My head still has a little bit of hair, but it is fuzzy and patchy, and I've been using a lint roller to help reduce the shedding.  I just wish it was all gone.  It loves to stick to my hats and scarves, and is just annoying now.  I am trying to continue working as much as possible, but it seems I can only get through about 6 hours before I am completely drained.  If I didn't have knee surgery before my diagnosis I wouldn't be working, but I used up all my short term disability with that.  You are all such strong woman, and inspiring to say the least.  It is really comforting reading all of your posts, knowing I am not the only one out there experiencing this.  It's a rough journey to be thrown into without warning!  Good luck to all of you!  It's a pleasure to meet new friends on here. 

  • Spoomsister
    Spoomsister Member Posts: 61
    edited December 2013

    One more thing, I also had issues with my heart racing, feeling anxious, and insomnia.  My Dr. had me reduce my steroids to one pill in the morning for days 2, 3, & 4 post chemo, then I'm off them again until the next chemo tx.  That seemed to help a ton!

  • Crazywabbit
    Crazywabbit Member Posts: 563
    edited December 2013

    NEskir99.    Good luck with tomorrow's chemo, I am not looking forward to round 2 on Thurs. I really was lucky to only have fatigue as the main SE with round 1.  Truly hope the SE do not worsen with each round.  My sons were amazed at how well I was doing.  One will be leaving today to go home to NH ( he lives in Nottingham not far from Durham)  he will not have to see his mom with no hair.  Both sons were shocked to see me when I came out on Christmas morning modeling my wig.   My hair is very fine and straight but the wig has shorter much fuller hair but similar color.  Younger son does not leave to go back to southern CA until jan 7 so I expect he will see me shedding by then. 

     I started the Claritin 2 days before the neulasta and cont. it for 3 days after and got almost no bone pain.  

    Barbara

  • Spoomsister
    Spoomsister Member Posts: 61
    edited December 2013

    One of my friends sent me this link, and it made me cry, smile, and understand a little more about having cancer, so I figured I would share it with you. The Things I wish I Were Told When I Was Diagnosed With Cancer

  • Brioche78
    Brioche78 Member Posts: 37
    edited December 2013

    Spoomsister welcome to the tread,

    thanks for sharing that link I had the same reaction as you and it made me feel better. I also get crazy heartburn from the steroids so im glad when the 3 days of taking them are over. im going to have round 3 of chemo on the 8 of Jan so then i will be half way Yay!! i didn't cut my hair and i still have a bit, i find that the wig hold better with the hair under it but i don't know for how long what is left will stay ( there is not that much)sorry if there is a lot of mistakes English is not my first language.

    i wish everybody a SE free day!

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