my oncotype dx is 18

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fati
fati Member Posts: 9


hello


i m diagnosed with IDC i had lumpectomy on 9 oct.size of tumour is 3.2x2.5x2.5 with micropappillary differenciation.no lympho vascular invasion.stage 2A ER PR positive no node involvement her 2 neu negative ki 67 is 35-40% my oncotype dx sore is 18. different oncologist give different opinion plz any one who facing same condition i am confused go for chemo or avoid it?





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  • ziggypop
    ziggypop Member Posts: 1,071
    edited December 2013


    Hi fati, I am sorry that you find yourself here. From what I have read, your oncotype score is at the lowest end of the 'intermediate' range. Here is one article that suggests having a mammoprint done: http://knowyourbreastcancer.com/the-latest-what-to-do-if-you-have-an-intermediate-oncotype-recurrence-score/ Maybe you could ask your oncologist about this? You also might want to have each oncologist that you asked spell out clearly why he or she is or is not recommending chemo. What factors are going into their recommendation? It may be that one of the things they say will stand out to you as being an important factor that the other is not considering. You also might want to consider your own personality - if you choose not to do chemo, are you the kind of person who will then worry a lot that you should have done it 'just in case'? That kind of worry can be very tough on some people even if they never have a recurrence. In the end, nobody can 'tell' you what to decide, but once you make your decision, then you have to accept that you made the best possible one that you could with the information available. If you do decide on chemo, there are a lot of suggestions here that will likely make it easier on you. People react to it very differently - my SIL sailed through hers, but mine was very difficult.

  • edwards750
    edwards750 Member Posts: 3,761
    edited December 2013

    Good answer ziggypop I totally agree about the decision making process for treatment. The one thing I was afraid of was having to make that tough decision. On the one hand...why wouldn't you throw everything at the beast or why subject yourself to the side effects of chemo for a small percentage of protection from a recurrence. Fortunately, I didn't have to because my Oncotype score was 11. Prior to taking the test, however, a micromet was found in my SN. My BS said that would get me chemo; my Oncologist was ambivalent and ordered the Oncotype test. FYI I had Stage 1, Grade 1 prior to my surgery which was a lumpectomy. I waited 10 long days for the results. When two doctors disagree it is a good idea to evaluate their reasons why or why not. There are women on this forum who have even gotten a third opinion..kind of the tiebreaker. At the end of the day it is your personal decision just be sure you don't second guess yourself or look back. There are also women on this forum who have had recurrences and are lamenting they didn't do chemo. There just isn't any way to know for sure. No guarantees with this disease unfortunately. Good luck. diane


  • pupmom
    pupmom Member Posts: 5,068
    edited December 2013


    My Oncotype was 14, so even with micromets in 2 nodes, I did not get chemo. The Oncotype report actually stated my survival rate would be LOWER with chemo! No brainer for me. Many factors play into the chemo decision. Age is one. I was 62 at dx. Don't know your age, but younger women face greater risk. Good luck!

  • Fiddledeedee
    Fiddledeedee Member Posts: 14
    edited December 2013


    fati


    I had LX for 1.7 cm IDC grade 2 0/5 nodes. ER+PR- FISH - Got clean margins. Undeterminate lymph/vascular invasion. My OncoDx came back 18+. Not 19 but more than 18. There is a study out there that is suppose to be released soon ( whatever that means its been in the works for 3+ yrs and its a large study) about those of us in that intermediate stage. Most likely we don't need chemo but it is not official. I opted not to....my MO supported my decision. I just finished rads last week. I didn't feel I wanted chemo and haven't looked back on that since. That being said Ziggypop has an excellent point if you are going to keep yourself awake at nights worrying about it. Statistics are numbers but many of our decisions are done with our hearts and worries and the best decision is one you can live with.


    My thoughts are with you.


    Joei

  • PoohBear-61
    PoohBear-61 Member Posts: 263
    edited December 2013


    Hi Fati.......


    My score was 18 also .


    But even before ordering the test my MO recommended these 2 options and said that they had the SAME reoccurrence rates


    chemo + tamox or Zoladex + tamox


    and my Oncologist told me that both gave the same results for my type of cancer . If you read about the ZEBRA trial it will confirm this . http://www.dslrf.org/breastcancer/content.asp?CATID=0&L2=4&L3=5&L4=0&PID=&sid=130&cid=421


    Not sure if the link will work but the title of the article is Two New Studies May Change Treatment Options For Premenopausal Women

    you can maybe type ZEBRA into the search field.( its a great article by Susan Love )........you can also google ZEBRA trial .


    Zoladex is ovarian suppression with monthly ( or quarterly) injection for 2 to 3 years ...it shuts your ovaries down .....so you enter menopause . My MO said that the main benefit from chemo for us ER positive sisters was that it put you into menopause.


    I am 47 so figured I'd enter menopause shortly anyway .......


    When my MO finally received my oncotype dx score of 18 he said no chemo .....the side effects outway the 3 % benefit.


    I felt the zoladex option as opposed to "tamox only" gave me the peace of mind that I was doing something extra ( that had the same reoccurrence rates as chemo ). If I couldn't handle the zoladex I could always stop .....and well so far so good .....!!!!


    How old are you ????

  • fati
    fati Member Posts: 9
    edited December 2013


    Thank you


    All of you my age is 55 years. postmenopausal i meet one more oncologist he said i get 2 to 3% benefit from chemo its up to me he said you choose or avoid up to you.he suggest if you want chemo i give you 4 cycles TC. if i get serious side effect he stop it.i m confused some time i think to avoid chemo than i thought it i take it it reduce my recurrence but afraid from side effect what will you do in this situation my husband is heart pt dont know any thing.plz share

  • fati
    fati Member Posts: 9
    edited December 2013


    Thank you


    All of you my age is 55 years. postmenopausal i meet one more oncologist he said i get 2 to 3% benefit from chemo its up to me he said you choose or avoid up to you.he suggest if you want chemo i give you 4 cycles TC. if i get serious side effect he stop it.i m confused some time i think to avoid chemo than i thought it i take it it reduce my recurrence but afraid from side effect what will you do in this situation my husband is heart pt dont know any thing.plz share

  • MsPharoah
    MsPharoah Member Posts: 1,034
    edited December 2013


    Fati, why don't you see another oncologist for a second opinion? Also, in my opinion, if you decide to start chemo, you should do so with a commitment to finish the treatment and your oncologist should be making sure that you stay healthy so you can finish. Chemo isn't something you just try out.


    Good luck, Ms0

  • edwards750
    edwards750 Member Posts: 3,761
    edited December 2013

    I agree with Ms. Pharoah when in doubt get a second opinion. I don't know a lot about chemo personally but I have never heard of a doctor saying you could quit if you wanted to. Of course you can do anything you want about it - after all it is your life and your body.

  • fati
    fati Member Posts: 9
    edited December 2013


    Thanks Ms. pharoah,


    you r on TC.wa

  • fati
    fati Member Posts: 9
    edited December 2013


    can you tell more regarding side effect of TC and wat was your onco score?

  • fati
    fati Member Posts: 9
    edited December 2013


    plz keep replaying

  • Timbuktu
    Timbuktu Member Posts: 1,906
    edited December 2013

    My oncotype was 14  I was 61.  Went to several drs and all said no chemo.  Then Sloan discovered micromet and lymph invasion and said go for the chemo..CMF.  Chemo light as a preventative.  It would give me an extra 3% protection.  So I did it.

    I would ask about the side effects.  I just read that CMF can cause bladder cancer!  It's all risk/benefit and it's really hard for a Dr. to decide, much less a lay person.  My onco at sloan never said she was right and the other drs were wrong.  She said they could be right.  there is no certainty in this.

  • fati
    fati Member Posts: 9
    edited December 2013


    Thanks timbuktu u discovered micromet after oncotype dx?

  • fati
    fati Member Posts: 9
    edited December 2013

    hello

    sorry for late reply after so much thinking i decide no chemo bc it decrease 2% on this taking side effect i think it is no wise decision plz keep pray for me i take right decision praying for all of you.

  • edwards750
    edwards750 Member Posts: 3,761
    edited December 2013

    Fati - I had a micromet in my SN. It was discovered after my lumpectomy. Still my ONC ordered the Oncotype test and as I said in my earlier post my score saved me from chemo. No longer is it automatic if you have node invasion it means chemo. diane


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