Cytoxan Taxotere Chemo Ladies- February/March 2013

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  • keepthefaith
    keepthefaith Member Posts: 2,156
    edited December 2013

    Wow bondsy! You are on to the finish line:).  Congratulations! I hope you feel better the rest of the week and sail thru rads. What a great Christmas present for you. Relax and enjoy the holidays-you so deserve it!

    I baked Cmas goodies last night-didn't even try any...weird. Took a much needed walk today. So thankful for my pup that motivates me! I think she's been confused lately. Ready for my next TX-bring it on.

    ((HUGS))

     

     


     

  • FairyDogMother
    FairyDogMother Member Posts: 253
    edited December 2013


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    Chemo#2 is done! I'm halfway done! My hubby shaved for me. We do themes for chemo day, since the only thing I can control is my attitude and what I wear. The first chemo I went as a hula girl and hubby as a Hawaiian tourist. Some of the side effects started early with this one. They made the T take 2 hours instead of 1 since I had a bad reaction afterwords. I hope this works. My total time in Big Girl Chair was 4 hours and 43 minutes. Good Luck to those doing chemo this week.


    Bondsy- Yipee for final chemo!

  • VirginiaNJ
    VirginiaNJ Member Posts: 634
    edited December 2013


    fairy - I LOVE THIS PICTURE!!!!!!!!!!! thank you for just putting a huge smile on my face :)

  • audra67
    audra67 Member Posts: 521
    edited December 2013

    Bondsy- HOORAY for you!  That must be so awesome!  You are done with the poison!! yayyy!!!! Wishing you well with the rest and hoping it is much easier..

    Kbee- Great ideas, I never drink sugary drinks and have trouble with Gatorade even...I am a weirdo...but maybe I need some electrolytes and that's why I have headache, duh...I will try it.

    Quirky- I got my period HEAVILY after my first chemo also and clotting...which was sortof the norm...but due next week for one and hoping it will not show up since I've had 2 chemo treatments now...hoping

    School counselor-

    I am hoping you are feeling better, having more energy !  I HATE feeling like that! 

    Every day seems to be a new feeling with this stuff...can't plan ahead for sure..

    I love looking at posts when I get home and have been out or am at home all day and not having energy = it is so nice to have such a great group of women supporting and helping each other!  I LOVE it!!  Probably the BEST thing about this awful cancer !

    We are like war veterans that served together...always have each others backs...I love it!

    thanks to all of you!

  • SchoolCounselor
    SchoolCounselor Member Posts: 452
    edited December 2013


    Fairy. Great pic!!! Yeah bondsy! Having a rough time of SE. Trying to focus on just one more....,.

  • KBeee
    KBeee Member Posts: 5,109
    edited December 2013


    FDM, I love, love, love the picture...and the theme idea!!!! What a fun way to put a nice spin on chemo days.


    Audra, When i was pregnant, I vomited all the time. I could not drink gatorade...or anything else...but for some reason, I could drink slushies...and survived on them...for months! Poor DH...I would send him out at all hours to get me things to freeze and "drink". I hope it works for you.


    I hope everyone feels a little (or a lot) better each day.

  • keepthefaith
    keepthefaith Member Posts: 2,156
    edited December 2013

    audra, "Smart Water" has electrolytes in it also. Tastes just like water...a bit pricey.

    FDM, your hubby is awesome! Thanks for sharing the pic'.

    ((HUGS))

  • FairyDogMother
    FairyDogMother Member Posts: 253
    edited December 2013


    Thank you gals and guys for the laugh and comments. I figure someone need a laugh. My husband had a full red beard for many years. I was laughing and hold back tears when he did this for me. I did not ask him too. We went to a dog groomer since I work with dogs. He said, "Maybe chemo in the winter with bald head isn't a such a good thing." Made me laugh. It is the first time I have ever seen him without facial hair. I might get him some clip on earrings.


    I'm fighting with the SE more on this one, keep telling myself "you will not pray to the porcelain goddess." I smelled the chemo the whole time and my mouth swollen and thorart. I'm going to wait until tomorrow to see how I get before I call the number.


    What I did with Gatorade and Smart water was dilute it, to help with the stuff.


    Stay Strong Warriors!

  • TeamKim
    TeamKim Member Posts: 568
    edited December 2013


    For those trying to get fluids down, I found that the Bigelow Lemon ginger Herbal tea with probiotics was soothing to the tummy (helps my heartburn too) -- tastes good hot in this cold weather, but also tastes good iced with some honey added. I bring it over crushed ice to drink during infusions and keep my mouth cold. So far no mouth sores (which is amazing, since I have had every other SE under the sun!)


    Also, the Sobe Life Water tastes better than plain water. I second the Gatorade plus water notion too. Also Vitamin Water. And no matter what cold drinks, crushed ice and a straw helps it get down before you even taste it. Soup, watermelon, annoying with fluid content counts.

  • bondsy
    bondsy Member Posts: 94
    edited December 2013


    Thank you to all for the good wishes. I'm feeling much better today, and just feeling grateful. I wish you all the best.

  • Bluegrassharp
    Bluegrassharp Member Posts: 96
    edited December 2013


    Is there anyone currently active on this discussion board who has already experienced 5 or 6 rounds of taxotere/cytoxan, rather than the (seemingly) more usual TCx4 protocol? I'd love to have some idea of how the last two treatments compare to the first four, since I'm getting six treatments.


    Can I throw myself a little pity party tonight? I had chemo3 on Monday. I felt okay yesterday but woke up early this morning with upper body muscle aches. This has been my chief SE so far, but much more intense this time. As long as I don't move, it's not bad, but even reaching for my thermos of tea is painful. I know I've gotta keep moving, but I just wish all my muscle cells didn't start squealing every time I get up. Acetaminophen and ibuprofen seem to do nothing. I know I can bear it -- and I keep reminding myself that this means BC cells are squealing and dying, too -- but I sure hope it doesn't get worse each time.

  • audra67
    audra67 Member Posts: 521
    edited December 2013

    Bluegrassharp-  I'm so sorry you are having body aches...I seem to get them few days after chemo, but I've only had 2 so far...so can't tell your future tx...I hope they are NOT accumulative..

    Thanks all for drinking tips..I am going to try them all today and see which is my fave...so sick of just water bottles..ewwwhhh...I am drinking coffee right now and it tastes gross but still doing it just to have some semblance of normalcy...

    I had a HORRIBLE night, woke up with excruciating back and hip pain, is it the neulasta shot?  I got it on Monday.  Taking the Claritin since Friday, had rapid heartbeat last night after taking the Claritin, got scared at that..took an Ativan to counteract it and calm me down and it worked...feel like a druggy...took 4 advil in night for the back pain...and went back to sleep to wake up at 5am with it coming back...does this last or go after one night?  I don't like that it stays in our system for 15 days...maybe if I need wbc up I will ask for the nuepogen? that is a daily shot...not liking this AT ALL...

    Hope you feel better today School Counselor

    Hope we all do!

  • Headeast
    Headeast Member Posts: 619
    edited December 2013


    audra, do you have any Percocet? That one is for pain and helps a lot with sleeping too. I don't know about Neulasta since I didn't have any during my four TCs.


    I don't know if coffee is good for you, did your MO tell you it was ok? My MO was very explicit in telling me not to have caffeine or any hard to digest foods (greasy, salty, dairies, raw vegetables, no raw food in general). I had ulcers before and maybe he said that because of the ulcers? I think my chemos were a breeze compared to many and my guess is because of the bland foods I ate, the soy free protein shakes with banana, L Glutamine and Blood Builder. My counts were always good with no Neulasta. Lots of fluids. Don't like water so I added Mio or any other flavor to the water.


    Have a wonderful day ladies!

  • audra67
    audra67 Member Posts: 521
    edited December 2013

    Headeast-

    I do NOT have Percocet, I have hydrocodone from mastectomy...I'm going to call the Dr and make sure I can take that with everything else...

    I think my foods I have been eating are horrid, maybe in some way I'm rebelling.  I always eat very healthy and now I'm eating drive through crap and feeling like I 'can'...and it is going right through me...

    What is the soy free protein shake with blood builder?  Everyone is mentioning blood builder and I think I read its beets?

    I'm going to get that and NOT get this shot again...

    thanks

  • Headeast
    Headeast Member Posts: 619
    edited December 2013


    I bought Blood builder at Amazon. It is vegetable iron, B6 and something else and helps to get your RBC


    The soy free protein shake I got at Amazon as well and add banana to it for boost my energy.


    I am rebelling too, but with the M&Ms! I am getting so hungry with chemos, odd... And i read somewhere that chocolate helps prevent neuropathy, so that's my excuse, lol!

  • KBeee
    KBeee Member Posts: 5,109
    edited December 2013


    Bluegrassharp, Melrose did 6 rounds. i was scheduled for 6 because MO chose that before he knew i was node negative. once we knew i was node negative and low oncotype, we reevaluated, and he said 4... otherwise I would be going for #5 tomorrow and could have given you more guidance. I can tell you the early days each round got harder each time, and it took a little longer to recover each time, but late week 2 and all week 3 has been the same all 4 rounds.


    Audra, that sounds like neulasta pain, though Taxotere gave me severe labor like pains even in the rounds I did not have Neulasta...actually, it was worse than labor. blood builder works for red blood cells, but not white blood cells.


    Bondsy, Glad you are feeling a bit better.


    SC, I hope you feel better soon.

  • VirginiaNJ
    VirginiaNJ Member Posts: 634
    edited December 2013


    sorry to those feeling crummy--- I had my Neulasta shot yesterday - one day late bc of the snow but they told me so long as it was within 72 hours I was ok. Did a little bit of Xmas shopping yesterday but tired out super fast. A bit achy today - but I forced myself out of the house again first thing to try and do some more shopping... Only lasted a couple of hours.


    Have not had to take any anti nausea meds this round...but still got the headache. Yesterday I got the aching teeth some of you have mentioned. Oh and the lovely metal mouth...hate that..... Just feel generally run down and exhausted.


    Sending warm thoughts to everyone!!!!!!!!

  • bondsy
    bondsy Member Posts: 94
    edited December 2013


    Audra, I did the Neupogen (generic Neulasta) shots at home. They are spread out over 5 days, starting on day 3, and I think because the dose is smaller it's not as big a shock to the system. It's also a good option for those who are fighting the snow and having trouble getting in. Sometimes my husband gave me the shots and sometimes I did it. But there still were some body pains associated with it.


    Today was my last shot, and I broke down crying in an emotional mess just at the thought of being done. Mostly happy tears, but also sad tears - I think I was crying for all the people who have to go through this awful disease. It surprised me that I got so emotional.

  • audra67
    audra67 Member Posts: 521
    edited December 2013

    bondsy-


    You are so sweet!  It is AWFUL and we all HATE it !!!  But praise God you are done!!!

    I am rethinking the shot at all, my count was 4 when I went in and I had the shot 2 days before, so nurse thought it couldn't have done anything yet, so maybe I didn't even NEED IT??

    I'm having weird flutters in area right under my sternum, like muscle spasms...that's the latest...just weird..and yesterday I felt so good...

    I don't even want to Christmas shop out with people and germs, I have bought a ton online, and it's fun to get packages daily...

    I had a boutique before I got this in town and closed it as just too much to deal with and I wasn't sure how this would go...anyhow I miss getting things on order and opening them so this has been nice.

    I have a website still and people are ordering and I haven't even went to see if I have the items in stock, so not into it...

    These side effects are consuming my life!  I want them to STOP!!!

    Wearing my cat burglar cap in house today as it's so cold out still.  Our snow/ice hasn't melted and is still all over yard and roads- it is crazy!

    Thanks for sweet comments all on our dog and our sweet daughter...she is amazing...we are very blessed....even with this...at least I wasn't ran over by a train right? Even though I feel that way sometimes :)

  • Melrosemelrose
    Melrosemelrose Member Posts: 3,018
    edited December 2013

    Bluegrassharp- I did the 6 rounds but knew going into chemo that I would have 6 rounds plus the Herceptin B-47 clinical trial I participated in had a 6 round Cytoxan/Taxotere chemo protocal.  My onco met with the tumor board to determine the number of chemo rounds several times so according to the oncos, pathologist, radiology oncologist, etc..... 6 rounds was the way for me to go.  I was node negative ( 5 nodes removed) but the pathology of my bc  was that it was very aggressive and also that it is rare form of bc ( 1% of all breast cancers)  since it was found in a cystic structure.  As for the side effects, I can tell you that I was more fatigued and tired and moved a lot slower and became easily winded.  Sure, I had some aches and pains from the chemo but never to the point that I needed to take any meds.... pain killers or Motrin/Tylenol/Advil.  I did my best to keep watch over what I ate, when I ate, what I did in general.  I drank plenty of fluids, made sure I walked a little everyday, ate regularly, slept/rested whenever I was tired, etc.  I did try to get out of the house everyday... whether it was to just go walk around Target, to the grocery store, to the drug store, to go shopping.....)  That is what helped me push through my time in chemoland.  I just tried to live my life the way I had before I was diagnosed as best I could.    I have to say that I was very very fortunate that my side effects were minimal and easily handled.  One thing I also did and continue to do everyday is meditate and give spiritual thanks for having another day and having peace and calm in my life no matter what adventure I am on.  Yes, having a positive attitude does a lot for me and helped me get through those teary moments when things seem not so good.  Hoping that you try to relax about having 6 rounds and find that your path is an easy one. 

  • TeamKim
    TeamKim Member Posts: 568
    edited December 2013


    Audra--I had fever and leg/foot pain with Neulasta, but with Neupogen I had killer heartburn that hurt all the way through to my back. I took Claritin with both. With Neulasta, MO said to alternate Tylenol and Motrin every 4 hours for the fever and it helped the leg and foot pain too. With the Neupogen, I used a combination of Motrin and Pepcid that worked pretty well. In both cases I still took Ativan before bed and I slept on the recliner with the Neupogen because of the heartburn -- felt better if I didn't lay down flat. Check with your MO for sure -- they should be able to give you some combination that helps.

  • Bluegrassharp
    Bluegrassharp Member Posts: 96
    edited December 2013


    Melrose, thanks for the detailed post about your experience with TCx6. I'm in a clinical trial, too, and know I'm getting 6 treatments, not 4. I just freaked out yesterday because my muscle ache SEs were so much more intense this time (chemo3) than in the first two rounds. But my acute pain seems to have eased off this evening -- I noticed I was feeling better about the same time I read your post! I think you have a magic touch!


    From your description, I get the impression that your SEs did not snowball downhill over the last treatments as I feared. Is this correct? If so, that's hopeful!


    I can honestly say that reading everyone's posts on this site has been an inspiration to me to keep doing all the right things -- hydration, good eating habits, hygiene, sensible drug and non-drug solutions to reduce SEs, exercise, reaching out for support from family and friends, etc! As crappy as I felt today, my DH was able to get me outside to walk because I knew It was the right thing to do -- and it helped that the weather was lovely here and the dogs were eager to go, too!

  • MinusTwo
    MinusTwo Member Posts: 16,634
    edited December 2013


    Bluegrass: I had 6 tx of Taxotere w/Carboplatin, Herceptin & Perceta. It was NOT fun. My doc said Aleve for the muscle aches but it didn't help much. Now - due to the size of the tumor at axillary node dissection and the positive node (after the first 6 tx) - I am doing 4 tx of Adriamycin & Cytoxan. Interesting that most of you are getting Cytoxan instead of Carboplatin w/the taxo. I find this Adrimycin & Cytoxan a breeze compared to the Taxo & Carbo. I'm not even getting the horrible bone pain from Neulasta this time. So I'm interpreting that the main problem for me was the Taxotere. I got through the Taxotere set but had diarrhea for at least 2 weeks of the 3 every time. Food tasted like it was scraped out of the bottom of the garbage disposal and I couldn't eat much. Worst SE for me was & continues to be neuropathy from the Taxotere. I did insist on running all of the drugs REAL SLOWLY. Also I insisted on 2 litters of saline/glucose with every tx - and am keeping that up. This too shall pass.

  • audra67
    audra67 Member Posts: 521
    edited December 2013

    minustwo

    Question. How did you find your reoccurrence?  I am wondering after mastectomy they don't do mammograms....do you get mris every few months or did you feel a lump or what???

    So sorry you are having to do this AGAIN!!  that sucks!

  • MinusTwo
    MinusTwo Member Posts: 16,634
    edited December 2013


    Audra - I had a swelling below my collarbone when I went in for a 2 yr NED check-up w/my MO. He wanted an MRI but I pushed for a ULS, and of course they immediately biopsied what they saw. I gather I'll have at least yearly MRIs but not sure at this point.

  • audra67
    audra67 Member Posts: 521
    edited December 2013

    Minus two-

    WOW, so how did that happen or what did they say?  It was in your lymph node by collarbone? This is all AFTER chemotherapy right?

    Why didn't chemotherapy kill it?  Did you not get mri or ct scans after chemotherapy?

    That is  scary!


  • MinusTwo
    MinusTwo Member Posts: 16,634
    edited December 2013


    Audra: No - recurrence was before chemo. I originally had DCIS w/large tumors. BMX in 2011 had clear margins & SNB showed no node involvement. I had no further treatment at that time. All my docs were amazed at the recurrence - especially since it is on the side that had the smallest tumor. Obviously there must have been a micro-met that escaped before the original surgery. This time around I had neo-adjuvent chemo (taxotere, carboplatin, herceptin & perjeta) & more scans. The chemo didn't produce a pathologic complete response (tumors did not disappear). Second surgery was axillary node dissection & removed remaining tumor & found a positive node. So now I'm on another round of chemo (adriamycin & cytoxan) to make sure there are no more micro-mets hiding and will have radiation when this is done.


    Much of my treatment is because of the size of the tumors, how fast they grew from 2011, and because I am ER/PR negative so no hormonal treatment is available. Also I am HER2 positive, which is considered very aggressive. Just the 'perfect storm' I guess.

  • Headeast
    Headeast Member Posts: 619
    edited December 2013


    MinusTwo, I was reading your explanation to Audra. Do you think if they would have done chemo when you had DCIS would have prevented you from having a tumor this time? What did the doctors say?


    I guess this time they do want to kill whatever is in there!


    I just came back from a charity luncheon I am part of and it is for cancer research. Every lady there has had somebody, even themselves with some type of cancer. You can hear the most wonderful stories about cases like mine or like yours or other types of cancer. They all survived, even decades ago when it was very different!


    A friend told me her mother passed during chemo 20 years ago. At that time she had diarrhea for three weeks, and doctors didn't give her fluids in IV, Motrin or any other anti diarrhea medicine. Years ago it was like that. She died in her third treatment because at that time the side effects were not controlled like they are now. Today, 20 years after, we don't hear these cases anymore. Everybody gets the side effects controlled with all kind of pre meds and all. She told me there were no steroid pills given to her mom, just the chemo and to wait. She actually didn't die from cancer, but from dehydration!


    This is another era for medicine, and I am happy for all of us who are here that share how we do and how we kill that cancer and survive it! We will get there!

  • TeamKim
    TeamKim Member Posts: 568
    edited December 2013


    Good story, Headeast, to point out how lucky we are to have these treatments. My dad passed away in the 1970's from colon cancer. They did a colostomy and that was it. There was no chemo, and no radiation. A couple days before he died, they asked my mom if they could try an experimental drug which they said would either kill his faster or might give him a little time. It killed him faster, but that was a chemo drug.


    Fast forward to now, and I am so thankful that early detection saved my life and these treatments will keep the dreaded BC at bay so I can enjoy life longer. I am the same age, 58, that my dad was when he passed.

  • MinusTwo
    MinusTwo Member Posts: 16,634
    edited December 2013


    Team Kim: There was no indication that I needed any further treatment the first time around. I don't blame any of my docs for the recommended treatment. The clear margins on both excised breasts were well defined. Two serial nodes on each side were negative for any invasive disease. As you all may have been reading, many docs are no longer even consider DCIS to be cancer. I just got caught by another one of the twists that this tricky bugger can take.

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