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  • ellenkc
    ellenkc Member Posts: 173
    edited November 2013

    I can't believe I know this, but I did work in the field of child abuse for 6 years. Small anal tears, with small amounts of bleeding (especially when bright red, meaning close to external) are common with constipation. Those internal tissues are pretty vulnerable and easily torn. Diarrhea and laxatives can also be rough on the tissues.

    We always had to rule out constipation as the cause when a child was brought in with anal pain and/or bleeding.

    Always wise to keep MD informed, but I wouldn't worry about small amounts (had some myself the other day & ignored it).

    Ellen

  • Melrosemelrose
    Melrosemelrose Member Posts: 3,018
    edited November 2013

    wrenn- Hope you are feeling a little better.  You make sure you let your onco know at your next visit, if not sooner about the bleeding and diarrhea.  Don't ever hestitate to call your onco about your side effects.  It is part of an onco's job and responsibility to help you get through chemoland; doesn't matter what time of day it is or what day of the week it is, there is always an on call onco available to help patients.  Just have to remember, your onco can only help you if you let him/her know you are experiencing a side effect and need some help.  As for the tears and emotional times, you are okay.  No one earns any kinds of accolades or badges of honor for holding in emotions and tears here.  Just have to know that you just let those tears flow; you will not cry forever.  HUGS.... lots of HUGS to you....

  • wallymama
    wallymama Member Posts: 146
    edited November 2013


    Audra- It's funny> Walgreens is what I've been so weepy about today. I've worked there for over 35 years. It's only the 2nd job 've ever had. Sort of like home, and, even though I always said I wanted to be off the Silly Season, I've missed it like crazy today. So glad one of us got to go there today!! And yes, demand some TRAINED in the procedure you are getting. Maybe it's 'just a port' but it is till a surgical procedure. I was actually knocked out for mine, though I understand that that is not the norm. You should demand what makes you feel best about everything. And my onc office is closed today, so yours may be also.


    And, thanks Specialk, hubby brought some miralax home at lunch today. He works in a pharmacy and the Rph suggested it too. Hope it works. Getting uncomfortable here.

  • audra67
    audra67 Member Posts: 521
    edited November 2013


    Wallymama! OH NO!! I'm SOOO sorry! I didn't know it was the store you mentioned...


    I am sad not to do the normal things I did, I also owned a boutique in town and it was superfun...but I closed as I didn't know what this would do to me and didn't want so much on my plate...and time to renew lease was just then too...so I am going from super busy and fun things to nothing but home...


    My daughter told me to think of this time as 'under construction' and enjoy being able to 'lay around' I guess I am going to try to do that...seeing it from an ultra busy high school girl - it must look good to be able to lay around...:)


    Hoping you feel better, and try and feel good about where you are too...you probably would've been bored stiff looking at our Walgreens...most people are at the larger stores today I think..

  • Paulette23
    Paulette23 Member Posts: 499
    edited November 2013


    audra.....I didn't even need anth. they actually call it twilight sleep. a combo of verced and generally valium or something simular. MY hubby RN does it w no pbms! don't be concerned. meant to relax u and makes u forget or be foggy! huggs!!

  • wallymama
    wallymama Member Posts: 146
    edited November 2013


    Audra- Don't be sorry about that, I really did think it was funny that I was laying around being weepy about what was making you happy. I think I'm over it, until maybe Christmas Eve. But that's a problem for another day. I might enjoy lazing around more if I hadn't been off all of Aug and Sept with four ventral hernias. I feel like I've had quite enough lazing. But I will deal. This is a little easier though because then I was in a lot more pain and couldn't do ANYTHING for 4 weeks. At least now I can get up and around while standing upright instead of slouching over holding my stomach. That was a real pain. Thinking of getting out of here for a while tonight. Hubby has some errands to run and I think I'll just tag along. After a T-Day leftovers dinner. I love cold turkey sandwiches.


    Hope everyone is having a good day. Hugs to all.

  • Paulette23
    Paulette23 Member Posts: 499
    edited November 2013


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  • Paulette23
    Paulette23 Member Posts: 499
    edited November 2013


    reading will type at computer...stupid phone!!wackowackwacwaw goesgoegog

  • Paulette23
    Paulette23 Member Posts: 499
    edited November 2013


    Hello all my beautiful Ladies! Yes...even with no hair! We all look like the day we were born! Me with the exception of my netherland groomed patch of hair left down below! lol!! Its so funny! Everyone said the netherland was the first to go...but it is my last! Soon I will look like a sparkling baby girl with nothing on my body...except my lashes and brows! But I figure they will be the next to go.


    It is rather funny how my hubby shaved his head, yet he has a 5 oclock shadow....as of last night...one day out of the shave-a-thon...my head is getting softer than a babies bottom! lol!!!! I cant really complain because it is better that pricklies on the pillow!!!!


    It is funny how my head has the general hair oils...but with no hair!!! lol!!! nothing to soak it up! my face and other parts are soooo dry though!


    I have spent the afternoon reading all your posts for the past two days and will comment shortly!


    As I said in the past few posts...WTF is going on with the android platform and this site? I cant post more than a few little bits and it goes bonko....on both my phone and tablet! I have to get on the computer to post anything more than a bite!


    Fortunately or perhaps unfortunately!!! You get to hear my fingers type all kinds of random junk when I get to the computer! Hopefully will give a laugh~! I


    I need to do some scrolling back to remember all the thoughts that I thunk when I read all the posts!!!!! Thankyou Ladies for being there! Today is an awful lonely day....my neighbor has all her grandbabies, kiddies, etc over for the whole weekend. Man....do I miss mine. They are at Edwards AFB in California...I am in Ocala FL....I just found out they are being stationed to South Dakota!!!! WOW......still along way off but actually closer! Wish they were with me now....I miss their huggies!!!!


    Okie dokie!! Gonna go back and run thru yalls posts which are in my heart and prayers!


    Hugggsggggggsss!!!!

  • Paulette23
    Paulette23 Member Posts: 499
    edited November 2013


    Hi Everyone!!


    First off....PatAl...and Warrior!! I hope and pray you are doing better! I know more than you know what it feels like to be in a prison I call a hospital! I spent 74 days in 2005...so ANYTHING less than that is GLORY!!!!....not to diminish where you are...it sucks! What I kept focus on what LIFE BEYOND the four walls!!!!!!! Make your room your own! DO NOT allow them to dictate how your emotional needs outweigh the physicial! The EMOTIONAL perks are SOOOOOOO important! I actually had my RN hubby bring in a refrigerator and ordered EXACTLY what I wanted off their menus! I learned what they had downstairs!!! My hubby would clue me into what was avaiable and even if it was 2am and I wanted FRIED SHRIMP~if it the kitchen was open! I had it! so dont feel stuck in a corner!!!!


    More little tidbits to come!!!


    T're!!....yes you can write T're!! instead of Paulette...its easier!

  • Paulette23
    Paulette23 Member Posts: 499
    edited November 2013


    ellen.....special huggs and LOVE!!!!!! u r NOT ALONE!!!!!!!!!

  • lisa137
    lisa137 Member Posts: 569
    edited November 2013


    Personally I've come to the conclusion that certain times, certain days, are going to make both me and my husband weepy and emotional, and what the actual catalyst will be each time doesn't even matter.


    On Thanksgiving night I felt kind of weepy and down for NO OTHER REASON than that after dinner, when everyone was in my in-law's den, they sort of made a big deal out of me being tired (actually I was just a zombie from too many anti-nausea meds lol) and put me into my father in law's recliner, put a blanket on me, and were being so sweet.....and I was both weepy about how sweet that was, and about how annoyed I was that that meant I was right up close and personal with the television....with the football. I hate football.


    Honestly, most times I get sad or weepy are pretty hilarious later when I think about them.


    We spent yesterday afternoon at my mom's house for a "second" Thanksgiving, and I was still tired, but not a zombie this time. Food was delicious, nice time had by all, but then on the way home, my HUSBAND, of all people--who is not even a religious man, really--mentions the fact that because we arrived for Thanksgiving at weird times both at his parents' house and at my mom's house, we were never there when the Blessing was said either day. And then *HE* proceeded to get weepy about that. Which of course caused me to get weepy about it.


    In both cases, I really do think it was simply necessary that we cry a little on those days---like on holidays and certain times, the Emotions Pool just gets a little too full, and we have to shed a few tears and drain it back down so that it's not sloshing about and overflowing all over the place.


    I'm wondering if maybe for Christmas, I can just come up with a few things that I KNOW will make us cry--my husband and me, I mean---and have us sniffle over them before we even go to our relatives' houses. Sort of like a controlled burn to prevent a forest fire lol.


    Obviously I just woke up: Good morning. I'll try and be more coherent later. Maybe. :P

  • lorreymom
    lorreymom Member Posts: 149
    edited November 2013


    lisa - I understand the weepy feeling. Yesterday I cried over a Youtube video of people being kind & helpful to strangers. This is not me, usually, unless I am overtired. I think my recent weepiness is because I am tired most of the time now.

  • Bec65
    Bec65 Member Posts: 312
    edited November 2013


    I definitely was not myself on Thanksgiving either. Aside from being sleepy from "just in case" anti-nausea medications, I found myself dipping back into the this-shouldn't-be-happening blues. Usually I'm feeling empowered, grateful to have the family and medical support to be a cancer-killing machine right now. The last thing I wanted was for my kids to pick up on anything (I know, shielding them from life; I've gotten that lecture!), but nothing got past my mom. She truly has risen to the occasion and is being wonderful.


    I want to come up with some strategies for Christmastime. I know I'll be at a better place in my chemo cycle as Christmas approaches (starting Taxol 12/26), but I still want to be prepared with ideas to remind myself of all that I have to be grateful for. I went back, Lisa, and read your "why not me post" again. I am still grateful for your wisdom!


    Right now, I'm off for a walk to the river. It's my "me" time, and I'm grateful that I can still do this every morning. My son got all his UC college applications submitted last night, and my daughter heads back to college today for two weeks until she is home for winter break. Finally, next week our youngest is set to visit high schools for next year. Life goes on!





  • audra67
    audra67 Member Posts: 521
    edited November 2013


    It must be contagious! I was first angry for no reason at dinner and it proceeded to become tearful and sad the rest of the night....all of my worries/ concerns/ attacked at the same time and I went down that dark road...was pulled out by my husband and a great pastor friend that I called to talk me through it...wow...my mind is a scary thing! But I too, agree - sometimes you just need to cry...and I am NOT a crier....so it's hard and odd and weird but somehow feels OK and the thing to do going through this.


    I am dreading the port and the chemo 2 this week...when I should be enjoying the day and days before the chemo kicks in...trying to be positive and overcome this and I will!


    Happy weekend to all! Emotions and everything!


    Hair is starting to hang weird and can be pulled out at random...waiting still...not sure why...just to see what happens I guess..

  • Lissy2304
    Lissy2304 Member Posts: 60
    edited November 2013


    HI BEAUTIFUL LADIES! I just went to the boxing match on Wednesday and today I feel like I was truly beaten! So sore ! All I can say is I am halfway there, round 2 DONE! Got my hair shaved on Thanksgiving, it was falling by the handful , but I still had tons left. It was just such a mess in the shower with hair all over the place! Anyway sporting my wig, which matches my original hair and highlights.


    I hope all of you you are feeling better today than yesterday ! I am not, but I hope you are!

  • Lissy2304
    Lissy2304 Member Posts: 60
    edited November 2013


    I am thankful for reading your stories and knowing that I am not alone in this battle.

  • wallymama
    wallymama Member Posts: 146
    edited November 2013


    Weepy seems to be the theme of the week. We will cry, probably over things that we would normally laugh about or just shrug off. So we cry and go on. After all tomorrow is another day, and maybe something tomorrow will make us laugh stupidly.

  • MandyJ
    MandyJ Member Posts: 7
    edited November 2013


    Round number 2 yesterday! My white count was lower than they wanted it, even after the Neulasta, so they only gave me half the Taxotere and Cytoxan. I'm not sure what that will mean long term. Did anyone have this happen, and what did it mean for treatment? I was actually feeling pretty good, albeit a bit tired after cooking Thanksgiving dinner. I did get the whole amount of Herceptin, which is my miracle drug, so I'm happy about that. Really, really tired today, I'm sure from the nausea meds. Blessings to you all. I do read all the posts and everything you are posting is so helpful!


    I did, on a side note, shave my head last weekend and got a couple cute wigs. Thank you for the scarf posts! My stubble is now falling out..ouch! It pokes my head....someone mentioned using a lint roller and that was the perfect solution...thank you!!


    Mandy

  • lisa137
    lisa137 Member Posts: 569
    edited November 2013


    One thing that's helped me a lot with the whole weepy thing is the fact that my mom has survived cancer twice herself. First, uterine cancer in the 1970s, and then DCIS that came back and then came back AGAIN in the 1990s. The first time my husband and I went to see her after my BMX she sat us down and pretty much beat it into our heads that sometimes we WILL cry, and that that's okay. We figured she's an old pro at this at this point and that if she says it's okay to cry then by golly, sometimes we will cry. :) It's okay so long as we remember that in a few minutes we will stop crying and get back to living again.


    I will admit that I had that bleak moment too last night, on our ride home from her house when my husband was being emotional about the fact that no blessing was said over our meals...just a moment, but I definitely had a really bleak moment, a stark white "OMG this happened to me and it is real" moment, and I almost went to the dark place--like maybe I hit that same thing you did, Bec65.... That was the first time I'd gone THERE in a while, and I talked myself back out of it--remembering that NEXT YEAR I plan to be fine... but yeah, it wasn't a fun place to visit, and I try to stay out of there.


    I wonder, about those anti-nausea drugs, and if maybe they don't have at least a LITTLE bit to do with it. Every single one of them has a "may make you drowsy" warning on it, and at least two of mine have---at one strength or another--also been used as anti-psychotic drugs or some such. I'm thinking that just *maybe*, some of our extra-emotionalness (it's a word NOW) can be attributed to the drugs we take to try and keep us going. Just something to make you go "hmmmm," I guess. In any case, I definitely know that both Thanksgiving and yesterday, I was absolutely closer to my "edge" than usual; closer to sad, closer to grouchy, closer to getting emotional over something silly, and I don't think I'm willing to blame it entirely only the fact that it was a holiday. I'm not generally sentimental about Thanksgiving that way, so it wouldn't make any sense for me. Christmas, sure, but not Thanksgiving. So I'm definitely blaming the drugs at least partly, in my case at least.

  • audra67
    audra67 Member Posts: 521
    edited November 2013


    I bet it's the drugs, the hormones being killed, the body freaking out with all of the changes, and our emotions and trying to deal through all of this too...it 's the triple quadruple whammy of reasons!! Good to know I'm not alone..


    I have hair but if you touch or pull it comes out...trying to have a last hurrah day...then the shave will happen...duh duh duhnnnn...

  • lisa137
    lisa137 Member Posts: 569
    edited November 2013


    No, you're absolutely not alone. We're right there with you.


    Of course, the drugs, hormones, etc., doesn't explain my husband being more emotional than usual, but I guess he explains that himself when he says "I think maybe I'm just TOO in tune with you." Poor guy. :/

  • Amazonwarrior
    Amazonwarrior Member Posts: 485
    edited December 2013


    It's my day 5 at the hospital and doing much better. My fever is gone, pain and swelling has gone down as well, my blood work is OK. I am still on intravenous antibiotics. Now they have scaled me down from heavy duty to regular ones. Tomorrow they will switch me to an oral version and will see how I'm doing with that change.


    Paulette: I can't even imagine how did you manage 74 days in this environment! As I said it's 'only' my day 5 and it feels like an eternity! I'm starting to feel sorry for myself. I am into the question: 'why me' a LOT.


    Talking about weeping: yesterday was MY day. When the day nurse came to take my vitals I was already in tears. She suggested to me to go out and get some fresh air.


    So I did. It was a beautiful, cold, winter like day. I noticed a fresh layer of snow, the blue sky, a robin in the tree. I was able to breath some crisp air and walk in the park. This made me feel alive and happy.


    When I saw the nurse later that day, I was so thankful that she suggested to get out to me that I started to cry again. She said to me: I'm so sorry I made you cry. But I told her that the reason why I was crying, was that her suggestion was the best thing she could have done for me.


    We also had a little laugh together about my sudden return from my trip when I felt this BIG rumble in my stomach. That made me quickly resort to these carefully measured steps walking more like a straight stick than a human being.


    Luckily I made it on time. ;))


    My crying, however didn't stop there. When my husband and my son came to see me I was sitting on my hospital bed in a pool of tears. My husband tried to cheer me up by saying: Buck up! Your son doesn't need to see you like this, but that only came so far.


    The same nurse later said to me:


    Ask the Lord for strength.


    And I did. I prayed, and read, listened to some music and slowly started to feel better.


    Crying is cleansing.


    Don't be afraid to let it go.


    Cheers for now.

  • wrenn
    wrenn Member Posts: 2,707
    edited November 2013


    i'm dealing with bad stomach pain and diarrhea. My daughter came to sit and read while i sleep which is nice.

  • audra67
    audra67 Member Posts: 521
    edited November 2013


    Lisa 137-


    My husband is the same, he is stressed and anxious too but trying not to be...I think it is hard on them to see us go through this...we are blessed they are such great guys!


    Amazon! Thank goodness your infection is better! And your walk made me lol! I didn't get the straight walk thing at first! funny!


    Wrenn- sounds awesome having your baby there!


    Question:


    How do you 'shave' your hair? I've read some of you go to 1/2 inch??? why??? does it cut/scrape scalp if you cut it all off??

  • Paulette23
    Paulette23 Member Posts: 499
    edited November 2013


    Hello everyone~!


    Sorry the past few days have been so emotional for everyone! I have just been lonely...no one around to make me get weepy. Hubbys working this weekend. I am feeling more numb than anything and soooo tired. I normally battle chronic fatigue and pain...the fatigue is overpowering. It takes every bit of strength to do about anything. I feel asleep last night early...but then woke up at 3am...been up ever since. I've been drowning myself with movies...one after another!I figured I better get out of bed and make some contact with the outside world~


    Amazon~glad your feeling better. When I was "in prison" it felt like it would never end! If they are switching you to oral that is a GREAT sign. Means they are preparing you for home! The end is in sight.


    Pat~how are you today?


    Wrenn~praying your tummy is feeling better!


    Audra~ My hair was below my shoulders and we did it in one fell swoop! first with the clippers then I shaved with a sharp razor...VERY CAREFULLY! I was not hard. I dont have any stubble to speak of...its kinda like peach fuzz but not prickly. I guess it's because its not growing back! My hubby has needles!


    Mandy~cool about the wigs/scarfs! Lint roller...hadnt heard that but Im sure it works great!


    Lisa~ I know...all the anti nausea drugs zap you and knock you out! Good when your really SICK but not so nice when your preventing it!


    Wallymomma & Lorreym~ Hugggggggsssssssss and HUGGGGGGSSS for everyone today~~~


    Im not looking forward to Tuesday....Round 2 coming up.....ARRRGGGGGHHHHH!

  • FairyDogMother
    FairyDogMother Member Posts: 253
    edited November 2013


    Wrenn- That is nice of your daughter to come sit with you.


    Amazonwarrior-glad to know you are getting better.


    MandyJ- Did you shave your head all the way down?


    Day 10 post 1st treatment and I’m so freaking tired. I think my emotions are going haywire. I’m 36 year old, how do you know when you start the menopause through chemo. I’m having horrible bend over stomach pains.

  • Melrosemelrose
    Melrosemelrose Member Posts: 3,018
    edited November 2013

    audra67- It probably is not a good idea to use a razor to shave your head at this point because of possible infections if you are nicked while shaving.  You may just want to have someone use some electric clippers with whatever size of cutting guard you want to use.  My husband used a one inch cutting guard and helped clean up the short short boy hair cut that I had started.  (Remember I'm the one who made little pony tails and snipped them off myself while he and my son were out running errands).  I asked him to leave the front longer so I could have bangs for as long as I could.  I never buzzed or shaved my head after that electric clipper clean up.  My hair never totally fell out since a very thin sparse veil of hair remained throughout my 6 rounds of CT chemo.

  • smrlvr
    smrlvr Member Posts: 422
    edited November 2013


    IAmazon, so glad to hear you are doing better.


    To all the ladies being emotional, I got that way also last night after watching a movie with my daughters. I cherish the time I can spend with them before they go back to school and I miss them. I just realize how much I love them and I it makes me melancholy. My husband has been great dealing with this whole thing including my emotions. We are lucky to have these husbands!


    Do any of you ladies have lower back pain? I have been on my feet now for a few hours, walking and cooking and my lower back feels tired. It has been 12 days since my neulasta (Monday is next infusion) and most of my bone pain is gone. Of course with my mood the way it is every pain makes me nervous.

  • lisa137
    lisa137 Member Posts: 569
    edited November 2013


    @Amazon: You nailed it: Crying IS cleansing. I mean yeah, sometimes if it's a cry of despair and you can't get past it, it's awful. bit those occasional little cries that just say "I am alive, and I am not at my best, but I am okay," make me actually feel SO much better afterward.


    I cannot imagine having my head shaved. I think the sensation would make me freak out--don't ask me why; I just have sensory weirdness about some stuff and that's one of them. I'm going to have my husband buzz mine down to however close he feels comfortable with using the clippers he does his beard with. I've been using those clippers for years....ummm in other areas....myself, so I'm comfortable with them. :P I think we'll probably do that this week, once I have some scarves and hats and stuff to cover my noggin with. I'm pretty sure I'm NOT going to be one of those women who can rock the dome look, so I want that oddity well-hidden when the time comes.


    I've started to notice a pattern to my days, and wondering if this holds true for anyone else, particularly those who are also on A/C. I wake in the mornings feeling mostly okay but a little icky--not nauseous but like it wouldn't take much to make me that way. I eat something anyway. Feel better. Take morning round of drugs ---nothing today but claritin, tylenol, klonipin, and vitamin D-3, yay! Start to feel human, and feel mostly human until about 3 in the afternoon, when I start to fade. By the time it's dark ouside, I feel like it OUGHT to be about midnight, and I'm tired, not so coherent as I normally would be--kind of an airhead to be honest lol--- but I'm not tired enough or sleepy enough to just give up and go to bed, so I spend the rest of the evening feeling basically like crap and completely unsure of what to do with myself. I wind up doing laundry for some reason. Never have we had so much clean laundry. Finally, around 11 or so, I can go to sleep. I *do* take short naps once in a while during the day but they are really short and don't seem to change much---I still start fading at 3, still feel like it's the middle of the night once it's dark outside....


    This chemo thing is WEIRD!

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