Cytoxan Taxotere Chemo Ladies- February/March 2013

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  • wrenn
    wrenn Member Posts: 2,707
    edited November 2013


    It went really well. Anticipation is always worse than the actual in my crazy world. The nurse had trouble getting a vein. She wrapped me in a hot towel twice but finally got it going. She was eyeing up the great veins on my left arm and asked how long ago I had had the node resection. She said it could possibly cause lymphedema to use that arm but not necessarily.


    Has anyone used their node arm for veins?


    I am tired from not sleeping last night but the doc gave me a prescription for a sleeping pill so tomorrow should be better.


    They recently got wifi which would be great but she had me wearing icy cold mitts to prevent nail damage. She said I had an option to not use them but I was too paranoid to not do it.


    All the support here helped and then lovely Nicole from here tracked me down even though I'd forgotten to give her my real name so we had a great visit and a real life hug.


    Thank you so much for all of your help.

  • audra67
    audra67 Member Posts: 521
    edited November 2013


    Kbee-


    I hope your temp goes down...maybe eat some popsicles or cold things? I have trouble with my thermometers, I thought I had temp the other day and the digital read 100.5 then 99 then 100 then got another one old looking but not mercury...anyhow that one never went above 99...so I figured it was O.K. but how to know exactly when they don't work?? I'll be in trouble if I get one...Praying you won't need to go to hospital again!


    Wrenn- hope you are doing ok, remember to drink...

  • VirginiaNJ
    VirginiaNJ Member Posts: 634
    edited November 2013


    Awww Hugs KBeee - dang you are not grouchy at all - you sound actually quite reasonable!!! I hope the temp goes down!!


    Wrenn - I was concerned when I had my most recent surgery and they were checking the nodes on my left side (non cancer side) and RE-checking my previous and new cancer side (right again)....I said to my surgeon "so now I can't have blood drawn or bp on EITHER arm???" She said that no using the node arm was "old school" but she did specify that it could only be used if it was the sentinel node biopsy done. She told me that if I ended up with an axillary node dissection on my prev cancer side the I couldn't use that arm....... Not that it means any more or less thus was my surgeon at Memorial Sloan Kettering Cancer Center in NYC --- hope this explanation made sense and wasn't too ramble-y

  • audra67
    audra67 Member Posts: 521
    edited November 2013


    I was told that 'old school' too but since the surgery not one single place will use my 'sentinel' node side!!! It is annoying! My left arm is infected and sore and tired of getting poked! They need to all make that clear to phlebotomists/nurses as my surgeon and plastic surgeon said it but no one will do it! annoying!

  • wrenn
    wrenn Member Posts: 2,707
    edited November 2013


    i had 6 nodes removed and after the horror stories about lymphedema i was happy to have them stay away fro that arm but it has always bbe my best arm for veins so i would love finding out it wo't cause lymphedema

  • VirginiaNJ
    VirginiaNJ Member Posts: 634
    edited November 2013


    :( frustrating for sure Audra :( I can't imagine. They have no choice with me bc nodes were taken from both sides - tho more from the right (6 total) compared to 2 for the chemo infusion side.....


    Did you get a port yet? Or will you still try for veins? (Sorry if thus is an asked/answered question-- I swear I have instant chemo brain)

  • Palameda
    Palameda Member Posts: 259
    edited November 2013


    Annoying was when I went to the hospital Thursday night and the MD said they'd hospitalize me for iv antibiotics and use my port. Then the nurse came in and said she was doing an iv in the arm with the raging cellulitis that landed me there in the first place. I pointed out that the MD said they'd use my port, "no" she said, "too much likelihood for infection." So I got an iv in my arm one inch away from the inflamed tissue. The next morning the MD on rounds asked me why my iv wasn't in my port, and said if there was any reason to fuss with it, he'd have it changed to my port. ARGHHHH!!! Like sleeping would have been so much easier without anything in my sore arm.

  • Headeast
    Headeast Member Posts: 619
    edited November 2013


    Wren, I am so hapoy you feel fine. Yes, the wait is worse than the actual infusion! It was also great you got to meet Nicole! Remember to drink lots of fluids to wash chemo off.


    As for the veins, mine are hard to find too. The nurses are supposed to be skilled enough to find them. Plenty of veins in one arm, they can do it. Do not jeopardize the other arm. It is not worth it. They have done one of my infusion from my handm because it was hard to find the other ones. The third one, they did it from my wrist.


    Kbeee, you are not grouchy at all. Please keep checking your temperature. What about Percocet, can you use that one for your pain?

  • TeamKim
    TeamKim Member Posts: 568
    edited November 2013


    Wrenn -- glad it went well and you got a hug from Nicole!!! Remember to drink lots of fluids (doesn't have to all be water) and take your meds if you feel a need. Prayers for a cozy and comfortable evening!

  • wrenn
    wrenn Member Posts: 2,707
    edited November 2013


    thank you so much for the kind words. Pat i can't believe they are making it more difficult for you. I hope things start to improve soon

  • TeamKim
    TeamKim Member Posts: 568
    edited November 2013


    KBeee -- I hope you've gotten the temp under control. Mine spiked a bit this afternoon, but. Am lucky that MO has given me the OK to alternate Motrin and Tylenol. I know first hand how the fever makes you feel even crummier -- the last thing you need when you are DONE!!!! I don't blame you for feeling a bit cranky about it -- (((hugs)))


    Thinking of all of you who are in the path of the big Thanksgiving storm headed across the country. Stay warm, stay safe, and may the taste buds return in time to taste some yummy Thanksgiving goodies. We decided not to have TG since I am the one who loves all that turkey with trimmings! and I won't be able to taste it. Oh well, the point of this is to enjoy many more TGs on into the future, right?

  • FairyDogMother
    FairyDogMother Member Posts: 253
    edited November 2013


    I go to see my oncologist this Tuesday. First time since my first chemo last Wednesday. I can not sleep. I get maybe 2 hours a night of sleep. Is this a side effect? The main reason is the bone pain and my joints are hurting so much I can not lay down. I am either in tears or I’m having charlie horses. I usually get up and walk around the house. Anyone else can’t sleep?

  • wrenn
    wrenn Member Posts: 2,707
    edited November 2013


    teamkim and kbeee so sorry about the fevers. Yuck. Fevers knock it out of us at the best of times. I' m hoping for quick recovery. Xo

  • TeamKim
    TeamKim Member Posts: 568
    edited November 2013


    FGM -- Definitely an SE. Did you have Neulasta? Neulasta causes the bone and joint pain. But chemo does too, so be sure to talk to your MO about it. Since you are getting so little sleep, ask for treatments to help. Don't feel like you need to tough it out -- it is their job to help you manage the pain. Call tonight if you cannot sleep, rather than waiting for tomorrow.


    On Neulasta, I get a lot of feet and ankle pain during the night -- walking around helps, so does a warm soak in the tub before bed and some massage. I am taking Claritin, and alternating Motrin & Tylenol, but have the intermittent pain anyway. Took Ativan last night, which helped me sleep longer (or maybe I was just so tired I didn't wake up). Let me know if you find the magic cure -- I have little things that work, but no magic bullet for this one.

  • mfm48
    mfm48 Member Posts: 110
    edited November 2013


    FDM - I would definitely ask your MO for a prescription for Ativan. When the steroids are raging and my heart is crazy pounding, I take one of those and it lulls me right to sleep.


    Another SE I haven't seen on this board much - anyone experiencing the hand/foot syndrome? I learned from other boards that this is a common SE for Taxotere.


    I also got the strangest SE this last time after my 4th TC. I literally could not walk. My knee was so painful. It was wierd. Went away in two days.


    Anyway, hope all can enjoy their Thanksgiving!

  • Melrosemelrose
    Melrosemelrose Member Posts: 3,018
    edited November 2013

    Another side effect of our chemo regimen is joint and muscle aches/pains so all of the aches and pains you may be experiencing/feeling may not be just from the Neulasta shot.  You may want to visit with your onco to find out what kind of OTC meds or prescription meds you can take to help ease the pain.

  • FairyDogMother
    FairyDogMother Member Posts: 253
    edited November 2013


    Last night I could my right toes locked up. Today my knee was killing me I couldn’t walk either. I will talk to MO tomorrow. I have the Neulasta shot, but these pains start the first day of chemo and each day since have gotten worst. I take Clartin daily for the shot. I’m allergic to most pain meds. I was going to see if I could take a supplement. Thank you for the advice. I just want to be able to get more than 2 hours of sleep.

  • audra67
    audra67 Member Posts: 521
    edited November 2013


    patalameda=


    That is AWFUL!!! You poor thing! I totally know how you feel! I started crying when they drew blood about an inch above my sore infected arm last week! Then of course they missed and had to stick me again!


    Virginia...haven't gotten port yet...(waiting til last minute_) not really, they want to check my blood this wed. again and if levels are back up or up enough then they are scheduling it for first week of Dec. before my 2nd chemo treatment.


    I still don't WANT one, but with this awful arm / hand pain -that still is sore - I guess I have no choice.

  • Bluegrassharp
    Bluegrassharp Member Posts: 96
    edited November 2013


    Thanks to all for your warm welcome.


    TeamKim, I hope the Ativan and sleep tamed the nausea.


    KBee, I wish your MO team were more attuned to your emotional needs. It's so much easier to face new physical challenges if someone takes your concerns seriously, especially given your evil experience after chemo3!


    Wren, I too hope all went as expected with your chemo1; and that you are home again and comfortable.

  • Palameda
    Palameda Member Posts: 259
    edited November 2013


    Audra, thanks for seconding that it was nuts for the nurse to insist on putting an iv in my arm next to the infection. Getting a port is a pain in the neck for a couple days, then it settles down. It really is a pleasure when they access it and leave your poor arm alone! As my husband says, next time we will ask for the MD to come back in, since she had ordered access through the port. We women, especially, are too used to doing what we are told and being polite. It doesn't really get us where we want to be...

  • Bluegrassharp
    Bluegrassharp Member Posts: 96
    edited November 2013


    Do any of you have a resurgence of pain/discomfort in your surgical sites after chemo? My lumpectomy, node dissection and port implant sites were pretty much pain free before chemo1. By day3, all the sites were aching, including my jaw where I'd had a cracked tooth extracted a month before my lumpectomy. Things got better in the week right before chemo2, but here I am on chemo2/day8, with an achy boob and port site again, which makes it hard for me to find a comfortable sleep position. Acetaminophen/ibuprofen don't seem to help much.

  • Palameda
    Palameda Member Posts: 259
    edited November 2013


    Bluegrassharp: yes! My lumpectomy site aches on and off. Comes as a surprise!

  • bondsy
    bondsy Member Posts: 94
    edited November 2013


    BGH - Yes, me too! I started having pain in those same spots after chemo (lumpectomy site, sentinal node dissection site, and port.) It's kind of a flash of pain that comes and goes, not a constant pain. Fortunately for me, ibuprofen makes most of the pain go away. I see my oncologist tomorrow and plan to ask for Ativan to help with sleep because I have insomnia most nights and can't get comfortable.

  • Bluegrassharp
    Bluegrassharp Member Posts: 96
    edited November 2013


    PatAlameda and Bondsy -- thanks for letting me know I'm not the only one with surgical site pain SE.


    We live in the foothills of the Rockies, up a 4 mile gravel road -- right after both surgeries, the drive home was a grin-and-bear-it endurance challenge. But slowly post-surgery, everything got better, especially once a friend suggested that I keep a small pillow in the car to press against my chest. I'm back to using the pillow in the car after both chemo treatments. So far I've been able to ignore the discomfort on my almost-daily walks.


    Applying a heating pad under my left arm against my scars is soothing. And there seems to be some evidence that heat can kill breast cancer cells -- with 11/13 + lymph nodes I figure I can use all the help I can get! So I'm typing away on my iPad tonight with a cozy warm armpitSmile

  • Bluegrassharp
    Bluegrassharp Member Posts: 96
    edited November 2013


    Bondsy, hope you get better rest tonight. I got a script for Ativan as part of my pre-chemo anti-nausea arsenal, but it also puts me right to sleep, too...a blessing on those days when my mind refuses to turn off.

  • Nocompromises2013
    Nocompromises2013 Member Posts: 292
    edited November 2013


    hi Ladies - it doesnt take long for the posts to add up when you dont check in for a few days


    Wrenn i hope all went smoothly for you - you seem to have waited so long to get started i am sure i remember you posting in july or august - your profile pic makes you look like my mum !! So i am keeping a close eye on you !!


    Sue, welcome from another Sue. No none of us wanted to be here. Hope the remaining TC goes smoothly for you - that trial will be so interesting to see the results of in 5-6 years time


    To anyone interested i am now about 10weeks post TC and went to work for the first time without my wig!!!!!! hair is at least very thick and evenly spread. salt and pepper and not wavey at all !! Maybe 10-20mm not quite an inch yet - keep being told i should keep ot short !!


    KBee get those last couple of days under your belt and dial in Christmas - i have lost about 8pounds on T. But chemo i ised to loose 3-4 pounds in week 1 and put it back on in week 3. I pretty much finished chemo exactly as i started. But Tamoxifen it is dropping off !!! Got to be at least onebenefit i guess


    Stay strong everyone. Your finish lines are just around the corner :)))

  • KBeee
    KBeee Member Posts: 5,109
    edited November 2013


    I can't believe they would put an IV anywhere close to a skin infection; that is crazy and scary. It is frustrating when the different medical professionals do their own thing and do not always communicate or think beyond whatnis most convenient at the time.


    NC, it is great to hear that you are doing so well. Thanks for the update. I am sure your hair is gorgeous.


    BGH, It seems the Taxotere causes pain in any "weak" spot. i think I can feel every single prior injury i have had on those first few days after the infusions. I hope you get some pain relief.


    Wrenn, I am glad it went well. I hope you keep feeling good. You are well on your way to healing!


    My temp kept climbing last might, so they of course had me come in to the ER for a blood draw. temp was 101.5 when there. Of course that entails an IV, chest x-ray, urinalysis, and labs when you go to the ER. It would have been easier to draw them yesterday...or have me come in today. Nevertheless, 800 mg of Ibuprofen and a liter of IV fluid later, and I am feeling much better. The neulasta did its job, so betweeen that and the extra steroids I was on for nausea, my counts were elevated this time...better than last time when I had "less than 1 neutrophil.".


    Hope everyone has a good day.

  • SchoolCounselor
    SchoolCounselor Member Posts: 452
    edited November 2013


    kbee glad you did not end up staying in the hospital this time! Did they find what was causing the fever?


    NC glad to hear that hear does come back. Although I buzzed my hair and most has fallen out. I has more fall out this morning. I guess I will be bald by the time the TC is done.


    I had a good night sleep yesterday. I have a CPAP machine which I have not used since surgery and I slept with it yesterday. Viola woke up rested but of course still fatigued.


    Going to go out today just to walk. Tired but ancy as well.


    Hope all are doing okay.

  • wrenn
    wrenn Member Posts: 2,707
    edited November 2013


    Bluegrass, glad you found us. Such a wonderful group. I hope those pains subside soon. I think I will get out my heating pad just in case. Reading about you cozying up to your ipad with it sounded soothing. :-)


    No compromise. Thank you for the update. I am surprised hair comes back that quickly. It is good to hear. Turns out I have a very flat head and will be happy to have hair back.


    KBeee I worry so much about your fever. It must be so frustrating for you (and draining) to not be able to kick it or get answers. In spite of it you keep a good attitude which is very impressive. I really hope it straightens out soon xo


    School counsellor, I use cpap and worried that my stubbled head wouldn't like it bu I slept fine with it and worry about ever going without it these days. It kind of helps me sleep just by suggestion. I yawn reaching for my mask because cpap means sleep time. I am glad you were able to use yours last night.


    I had a rough evening but was pleased to wake up having slept and don't feel anything too bad now. I made a point of getting up to the bathroom to flush my kidneys a couple of time so the chemo wouldn't sit there and one time when I wasn't really sure I had to go it ran down my legs and my bladder didn't even feel full. That surprised me since I am not a leaker. Made sure I washed but I haven't had any tenderness from it all. TMI.


    I was surprised to be up 8 lbs. this morning since I didn't really feel like eating yesterday. I took lunch and snacks to chemo but only ate a digestive biscuit and forced myself to have a sandwich when I got home. Hope that goes away with the steroids.


    Have an ok day everyone and thank you again for being so wonderful.

  • KBeee
    KBeee Member Posts: 5,109
    edited November 2013


    Wrenn, i am glad you are feeling good today. If you are up 8 pounds, you may want to call your MO, because you may be swelling, which can be a side effect from taxotere. it is temporary and goes away after treatment, but some people need a diuretic.


    SC, They found no cause for the fever, which was frustrating, but I guess it is good that I do not have an infection. The xray tech was really puzzled by the tissue expanders! Apparently she had never seen them before. It actually was pretty entertaining to see her face. I had to explain to her that they in fact were NOT removable except by surgery.

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