Cytoxan Taxotere Chemo Ladies- February/March 2013

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  • wrenn
    wrenn Member Posts: 2,707
    edited November 2013


    Audra, I was told many women do develop PTSD from this so I am not surprised. It is hard. When someone says to me that my surgery probably cured me I am surprised that the thought never comes up for me that it is possible. I wonder if we just want to be ready instead of having the shock we felt at initial diagnosis? It would be hard enough to deal with the idea of having a life threatening illness without having to process it with our bodies in such rough shape from treatment. Hang in there.

  • TeamKim
    TeamKim Member Posts: 568
    edited November 2013


    Audra, I have some dark dreams too -- seems to happen most as I am coming off the steroids and Ativan...about day 4-5. The detail in the dreams is vivid and when I wake I feel it is still happening. Last night I was up a lot using the bathroom and dreamt all the toilets in the house overflowed. So real that my first thought on waking was that I don't feel up to cleaning up the mess! Lol! Even though a couple hours have passed I am left with an emotional response to the dream. Weird. I just keep reminding myself it is all temporary.

  • Palameda
    Palameda Member Posts: 259
    edited November 2013


    My dark dream last night, after all the discussion of periods, was that I got one! I was so dismayed, especially since I no longer have the supplies in the house that I panicked! Thought that might give you a laugh. Ptsd actually makes a lot of sense. I liken this experience to being trench soldiers in WWI. We get physically maimed by surgery, have to bravely make charges out of safety at the enemy knowing full well we WILL be injured, then recuperate only to know we must make another advance. Any of you who have read "All Quiet On the Western Front" should recognize this experience as our own. And, of course, lurking in the background is the very real fear that we will not survive this war. The book is hardly an upper, but it explores all the dark and negative thoughts and emotions that lurk below the surface in us all.


    A rather disconcerting fact is that cytoxan is related to mustard gas. The analogy is complete. Current ptsd treatment theory postulates that sufferers bodies become stuck in the fight or flight response. How could we not, when every bit of sense in our body says "don't do that to me again!" If you have access, therapy for ptsd is short term and very effective. Something to consider instead of suffering with it.

  • Headeast
    Headeast Member Posts: 619
    edited November 2013


    Audra, I had those too at the beginning of the chemo. I made the mistake of reading other threads and found some negative stuff. Medicine has evolved and I know so many people now that are survivors that I decided to stick to the positive comments and information I find. Try to read about survivors and if you talk to your friends or family tell them to tell you stories about people they know who has survived cancer. You will find that everybody know somebody. It woks for me.

  • QuirkyGirl
    QuirkyGirl Member Posts: 383
    edited November 2013


    Hi headeast, sorry to hear you're having such anxiety. I think I'm not the norm on this but my outlook is that if it comes back I will just fight it off again. It simply won't win. Cancer is not the worst thing that has happened in my life so that really changes my perspective, and it seems like a very winnable fight. Hope you feel better soon!

  • wrenn
    wrenn Member Posts: 2,707
    edited November 2013


    I start chemo tomorrow and although I have tried to avoid taking anti anxiety meds all along I told myself that I can go for it during chemo and I started today. I was worried about the steroids that I had to start today and so I took a clonazepam before it and I feel pretty relaxed. I intend to use ativan as needed too. It is stressful enough that I am ok getting a bit of help from my friend ativan. I think we are all being traumatized and should get through this any way we can. xoxo

  • KBeee
    KBeee Member Posts: 5,109
    edited November 2013


    NC, I am hoping to bounce back as quickly as you! i wish I had a trip planned, but we are laying low for the holidays, which is ok too.


    Headeast, I am feeling typical day 4, but feeling it today (day3) I felt great Friday, Saturday, and this morning. Now it feels like I have the flu. My glands are swollen, my throat is very sore, and I am running a low grade temp. I have not gotten more than 4 hours of sleep in each of the last 3 nights thanks to the steroids, so I am looking forward to a good night sleep. My spine feels a bit sore, probably from Neulasta, but not sore enough that I have had to take anything for it. I hope it stays that way.


    Audra, I hope your dreams ease. That has to be scary. I have my books and such all on a small side table next to my recliner. It is my command center, and I told the kids that the recliner belongs to me from surgery 1 to surgery 2. it has worked well to have everything I need in one cozy spot.


    Wrenn, I will be thinking of you tomorrow. I hope all goes well. the first day or 2 are usually ok for me, and i hope they are for you too. I hope you get neulasta or neupogen with your infection history. If they have not discussed it, be sure to ask about it. TC knocked my counts down to nothing. You can do this Wrenn; glad you can continue the next phase of this "journey".


    I was at my daughters' swim meet this morning, and walked 3 miles this afternoon, which is an accomplishment because it is 25 degrees out, and I hate winter. It did feel good though. Tomorrow I go to get an injection at MO office for a vaccine trial, so if I feel worse, I can probably see someone for it since I will be there anyway.


    I hope everyone's week begins with minimal and manageable side effects.

  • Melrosemelrose
    Melrosemelrose Member Posts: 3,018
    edited November 2013

    If you can do one thing for yourself, try as best you can to stay positive and keep pushing forward.  It is not easy to make that decision to look at where you are at right now but in the long run, there are huge rewards for not visiting those very dark and negative places.  Yes, it is so very easy to fall into that fear hole and so difficult to pull oneself out of there.  I am not saying that PTSD doesn't happen to patients; but for me, it didn't happen.  Believe it or not, after being up at the infusion center every 3 weeks for a year, I can truly say that I consider the infusion center is my second home.   That is because I know I was there for other reasons than just getting an infusion.  I found a place of acceptance, comfort, support and understanding.  You see I know that I will continue to make visits to that infusion center to see my onco and cannot be afraid or have negative feelings/reactions to being there.  I do very much get how each of you feels here and if it is some consolation to you, you will find your own path through chemoland and find your own of dealing with issues as they come up.  Sending each of you a little peace and calm and lots of positve prayers, thoughts and energy. 

  • VirginiaNJ
    VirginiaNJ Member Posts: 634
    edited November 2013


    not sure if anyone would want to hear from me bc I guess I am the dream come true??? I am one that has lived in fear of cancer most of my life having lost my mother at a very young age to bc. With that being said, that probably also saved my life as I was very aware of cancer and caught my cancer very early the first time AND the second time.


    All I can say is that did EVERYTHING I could......as we all are. We seek medical advice and treatment and follow doctors orders. Then after you "finish" treatment you continue to do the right thing.......which I did and again my cancer was caught super early.


    While I am super crazy pissssssssed off I am going through this again $&@! - I also know I am stronger than I ever knew (and I think we all realize how strong we are.....even when we think we aren't) - and dang it, I need to plan a cruise for the summer.......after I get my new boobs for my birthday!

  • wrenn
    wrenn Member Posts: 2,707
    edited November 2013


    Although I love to hear the positive stories I find I learn a lot from the negative ones as well. I love that women come here to let us know they are having a horrible day and then a few days later they are back and feeling better. It helped me to not be so much of an 'all or nothing' thinker.


    When someone is having a horrible time of it I wait for them to come back and am so relieved when they work through it because it inspires me to know that horrible days happen and can be got through. It is so nice to have a balance here. Listening to true recounts of how it really is has made me stronger and hearing about the ones who sail through inspire as well and give hope. We really are strong aren't we? :-)

  • Melrosemelrose
    Melrosemelrose Member Posts: 3,018
    edited November 2013

    You got it , Wrenn.... don't ever think that I didn't have teary and emotional times or times that I didn't physically feel good.  What one does learn is that one has a lot of inner strength to get through those negative times.  For me, I know that I don't want to and can't stay down for very long.  I will continue to do what I have been doing since the day I was diagnosed..... try to stay positive and keep moving forward and do my best to take care of myself and stay aware. 

    HUGS to all of you this week and hoping for minimal side effects as you make your way through chemoland.

  • TeamKim
    TeamKim Member Posts: 568
    edited November 2013


    Wrenn -- good luck tomorrow. I know that you are ready, you are strong, and we are in your pockets with you all the way!! ((Hugs))

  • wrenn
    wrenn Member Posts: 2,707
    edited November 2013


    Thanks Melrosemeir. I will get there too. :-)


    Thank you TeamKim. I am amazingly ready thanks to you guys. Gonna get er done.


    I hope everyone is having an ok or even great weekend and a good week coming up for those heading to the infusion room. xo

  • audra67
    audra67 Member Posts: 521
    edited November 2013


    Wrenn-


    Good luck tomorrow, it will be less anxiety causing than you think and the Ativan pre infusion really helped me, I was singing to myself and my husband had to tell me quiet down as I was singing louder than I thought! And I was scared to death when we went in!


    Thank you EVERYONE!!! For the ideas and comments on those bad dreams. I am a Christian and true believer and it's hard for me to have these 'dark' thoughts and ideas as I know I will be O.K. - just such convincing horrid dreams...it is good to know everyone has those too.


    Kbee- I have a 'command center' too = funny!!! Our couch has recliners and I have all of my books and all right by it too! Hoping you get a bit better daily and your flu like pain is gone soon! This is YOUR LAST!!! That HAS to be a GREAT feeling!


    I was in great shape before the mastectomy and all and now I am just able to shower and walk around a little and then back to the couch...hoping to gain some energy...but my white count was very low and just happy to feel not flu like deathly ill now. Amazing what little endurance/energy I have. Trying to deal with that is hard too...But I am getting some patience hopefully...


    Bless you all ! I just LOVE having this group and we are STRONG! And getting stronger!

  • wrenn
    wrenn Member Posts: 2,707
    edited November 2013


    I call my little spot with everything within reach "my office".


    Audra, I hope those dreams are related to the meds and that it won't happen again. Must be scary. Take care and thanks for the good wishes. I have my ativan ready.


    Have a nice evening everyone. xo

  • Palameda
    Palameda Member Posts: 259
    edited November 2013


    Wrenn, so glad you're finally getting to chemo! You're a few weeks behind me in diagnosis and surgery, and only two behind me for chemo. Yay! It sounds weird to be happy to start chemo, but only those of us who were denied it from complications understand the relief to finally start. Wishing you an uneventful course of treatment.

  • bondsy
    bondsy Member Posts: 94
    edited November 2013


    Headeast - Yes, we are just a couple days apart for our final TC! I'll be thinking of you on 12/4. I'll still have radiation to do for 5 weeks after the chemo, but that shouldn't be as hard as this.

  • Bluegrassharp
    Bluegrassharp Member Posts: 96
    edited November 2013


    Hello to everyone on this thread. I found this wonderful site sometime before my first TC treatment in late October; and have been searching it for answers to my specific questions ever since. And then I decided the thread was so wonderful that I should read all 1,637 posts, which brings me to today.


    I was diagnosed in late August after my PC doctor found a small thickening at the far left margin of my left breast. It didn't show up on the mammogram -- too close to the edge of the breast -- but ultrasound confirmed its reality. After several overly optimistic predictions about its nature, the pathology reports and PET scan proved it to be Stage IIIC IDC E+/P+/HER2- with 11/13+ nodes. The most scary part of my story is that even after I knew exactly where the 2.6 cm lump was, I could barely feel it myself. I thank God every day for my PC doctor's expert fingers -- without her skill, things would be so much worse.


    Given my age (66) and diagnosis, I was eligible for the phase 3 clinical trial comparing standard AC/T treatments with 6xTC. As a retired college biology professor, research is up my alley -- and aren't we all profoundly grateful for every brave clinical trial participant of the past?? -- so here I am on day 7 of my second of six TC treatments.


    My SEs -- so far -- have been mainly muscle ache/fatigue from day 3, peaking at about day 7, and (after chemo #1) slowly getting better and better. It's about the intensity you'd expect after raking leaves all day yesterday and everyday, but without the satisfaction of a nice neat lawn. Some nausea, which I can control (so far) by eating smaller meals and taking an occasional compazine or ativan. And of course hair loss, the outward sign of illness for most of us. But by and large, I think I've gotten off pretty easy so far!


    This post is already too long, so I'll just end with a HUGE THANK YOU to all of you -- you have already made this unexpected journey easier for me and my husband.


    Fondly, Sue

  • Annecy
    Annecy Member Posts: 54
    edited November 2013


    wrenn- I have an apt at the BCCA tomorrow aft, what time is your TX???? Will be thinking of you!

  • wrenn
    wrenn Member Posts: 2,707
    edited November 2013


    Hi Nicole. I have to be there at 10:45 but have no idea for how long. I booked a volunteer ride and am to call them whenever imam finished. I assume the first treatment takes a bit longer. What time will you be there?


    Also, do you know of a place to get hats or scarves? I live in Kits and use transit mostly.

  • Annecy
    Annecy Member Posts: 54
    edited November 2013


    Wrenn - my apt is 2:15 pm , I will probably be there earlier . With my first TX , It took app.6 hrs . After each infusion, you are being monitored between 30 - 60 mi for possible reaction to the drugs.


    In the lobby across from the reception desk, there is a box where you can find hats that volunteers have made or donated.


    If you leave a note at the CHEMO nurse station for me, I will try to locate you to say hello.

  • wrenn
    wrenn Member Posts: 2,707
    edited November 2013


    ok will do. If i forget in my sleep deprived stupor i am mostly grey, rotund :). With a purple cane. You will recognize me by my white nuckles. I will check for the box of hats on my way out. Thanks so much. Hope to meet you.

  • SchoolCounselor
    SchoolCounselor Member Posts: 452
    edited November 2013


    Welcome sue!! Cancer can take us on a wild ride, can't it. It sounds like you are in great hands!!!


    Wrenn, good luck today!!!! Take the anti anxiety if you need it. I do!!!


    Audra, in the beginning I had the scariest dreams. I just kept praying them away, asking for sweet sleep. This is tough stuff.


    I'm on day 4 post TC. Could not get out of bed to see the kids off. Throat hurts. Slight body aches. This too shall pass.


    Tinuke

  • Palameda
    Palameda Member Posts: 259
    edited November 2013


    I've got a couple questions: 1) I recurrently smell something that is similar to burnt hair. Either it's me, or I've REALLY got to get the dogs washed. Anyone else get smells? 2) I'm nearing the end of week 2. I have no nausea, but my appetite is really bad. Yesterday I only ate 2 meals, no snacks at all, and merely picked at my food. Even the food that tasted good. I'm reading about people GAINING weight, and here I've lost 4 in the last week. Sure, I've been sick with an infection, but...Anyone else?

  • Headeast
    Headeast Member Posts: 619
    edited November 2013


    BlueGrassHarp, welcome to the thread! Yes, this is a great group of women that share all information we have to help the others with the SEs.


    I would say it is much better than the information we receive from the doctors and nurses and have helped me with questions to ask my MO.


    Wrenn, good luck!

  • MinusTwo
    MinusTwo Member Posts: 16,634
    edited November 2013


    Pat: Smells did bother me. I had a problem w/them lingering in the house after cooking. I ate very little on Taxotere/Carboplatin. By the end of the 6 tx, most everything tasted like it came from the bottom of the garbage disposal. I ended up losing 50 lbs & I wasn't really overweight to start. Things don't taste as bad with Andriamycin/Cytoxan but I still have to force myself to eat.

  • TeamKim
    TeamKim Member Posts: 568
    edited November 2013


    Day 5 of tx 3 -- feeling nausea for the first time -- first 2 chemo txs were quesy-free. Not liking this yucky feeling at all -- took an Ativan! maybe I can just go to sleep for awhile.... Sigh....

  • SchoolCounselor
    SchoolCounselor Member Posts: 452
    edited November 2013


    I have no taste buds...everything tastes the same- disgusring- This is going to be some Thanksgiving......

  • audra67
    audra67 Member Posts: 521
    edited November 2013


    Patalameda! OMG! We are washing the dogs beds as we speak as they had awful smell to me! Tired of all food and nothing sounds good. I did have a hamburger and fries the other day thinking that sounded good and then diarrhea in the night, because of the hamburger and fries...so NOT a good idea...I have lost weight too and 115 to start with so getting smaller..shrinking.....probably not good. I had a little more energy today again. Woke up after 6 hours sleep..that is good for me...but still feel tired. I had a friend pray with me over the phone and she helped put the mental things in perspective, hoping to get rid of those awful thoughts and dreams and worries! I have HOPE!!!


    Getting ready for the hair to come out this week...I pulled some today to see and still tight in there! Probably will happen Thanksgiving...:) Happy day!

  • KBeee
    KBeee Member Posts: 5,109
    edited November 2013


    SC, This is the one Thanksgiving I could use to put on a few pounds, and like you, I will be able to taste nothing. Maybe I will make up for it by overdosing on Christmas cookies on days when my taste buds return.


    Teamkim, I hope your nausea eases.


    Wrenn, How'd it go?


    Sue, Welcome, I am sorry you have to be here, but you will find incredible support from these ladies. My MO was going to put me on that trial, but my tumor was a bit too small, and I had no node involvement. He put me on 6TC anyway, but when my oncotype came back low, he stopped at 4. I do plan to keep tabs on that trial. I am very interested in the results. I am kind of a research nerd anyway. I am in a different clinical trial now, so hopefully this rotten situation will contribute to science somehow.


    Paralameda, Round 1 I ate just applesauce for several days. Round 2 it was yougurt. Today I ate ramen noodles. yuk. I hate Ramen noodles, but I made a trip to the store for them because I seriously could not stomach anything else. I have not noticed odd smells, but I know a few people on my September board noted that issue. I have lost a few pounds, but not too many. I try to eat a lot on days I feel good because I cannot afford to lose weight.


    I am running a temp again this round, and am really frustrated by that because i was at the mo's office for a clinical trial vaccine and the nurse wanted them to see me. Theyndecided my fever was not quite high enough. I do not want to land back in the hospital again, but I feel like my doctors are not being proactive to be sure that does not happen. I am upset by this. I also am in a lot of pain. Because of my temp, I cannot take Tylenol, Advil or anything else for the taxotere pain or the neulasta pain. Sorry if I am a bit grouchy and crabby tonight. Hopefully the temp will come down tomorrow. Thankfully, I know that it is the last round, so even if I do land in the hospital, it will be for the last time. they wanted me to call tonight and go to the ER when my temp rose just a tiny bit, but if they could not bother to see me when I was there, they can wait until tomorrow. I know that is a rotten attitude. Can you tell I am frustrated?

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