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  • poodle_mum
    poodle_mum Member Posts: 83
    edited November 2013

    Lisa  thanks for the link.  They look good.  I have a small head.  I like the price tag too - same as the fancy tie back scarves I bought which were really cheap.

    Wrenn - I agree about the meds.  I've dealt with prescription meds addiction before - my problem is I decided to wean myself off on my own and then went cold turkey too soon.  You have nothing to worry about those pills - you'll be fine,  chances of addiction are slim to none and you *need* them!  You need to be in the best shape you can for the next step of your journey. 

    I've said the same thing to others who have had surgeries - you have a scar and you know you had an operation.  Come next summer when I put on a shirt,  the visual evidence will be there for everyone to see. For lack of a better word,  breasts are "limbs" - they serve a purpose in life and aside from a sexual viewpoint,  breasts are just like arms and legs.  And it is noticeable when they are gone or have suddenly significantly changed size.  

    So I think anxiety is to be expected in our situation and you need to take care of yourself.  The anti-anxiety meds will make each day just a wee bit easier. 




  • wrenn
    wrenn Member Posts: 2,707
    edited November 2013


    Thanks poodlemum, you re so right. Even if I get hooked on them I can wean. I need to get more rational with this and you guys tend to keep me sane(r). Hope you are having an ok day.

  • LiLi1964
    LiLi1964 Member Posts: 331
    edited November 2013

    Wrenn - I'm in total agreement.  You have to remember there is little to no chance of addiction with the med you are taking.  We are provided medications to assist us w/our issues and we are expected to take them.  The doctors know what they are doing; they only prescribe so many and they are in constant watch for "addiction" - which would mean someone would be calling them constantly asking for refills where there is no medical necessity.  People too often think taking certain sorts of meds MEANS they will get addicted....it's the over-prescribing by doctors in years past that makes us all feel that way now....but you are in need of the medication, your doctor prescribed it for a reason, so don't feel like you are doing anything that will harm you as long as you take them as prescribed.

    Glad you ladies liked the cap - wasn't that just an awesome price?!  By the way, I have a small head but my husband has a large head and they fit him just fine as well.

  • wrenn
    wrenn Member Posts: 2,707
    edited November 2013


    Ativan is actually one of the most addictive benzodiazepines but I'll drive off that bridge when I get to it. The doctor knows I won't abuse them so I have a 3 month supply and even if I did get addicted I believe (as do you) that they are really necessary now. Because nothing has been happening the last couple of days I haven't needed them but will take them for sure to get through the chemo and the rest of this week if the anxiety gets too much.


    I come from a long line of addicts (cigarettes and alcohol)....my drug of choice is sugar...so I am hyper vigilant about it. My sister who smokes and drinks got mad when I said I was afraid to take them in case I get addicted and said "so what if you have to take them the rest of your life?" Never thought of that.


    It is good to hear that they are effective for nausea. whew.

  • LiLi1964
    LiLi1964 Member Posts: 331
    edited November 2013

    Wrenn - just because a medication can be addictive....does not mean YOU will become addicted.  If you take them to get "high" - then you have a problem.  If you take them AS DIRECTED by your physician, the chances of you getting addicted are little to none.

    That's not to say if you take them over a long period of time your body will become dependent on them (very different from addiction!).  Your doctor will direct you on the correct way to wean off the med to lessen the side effects your body will go thru having the medication withdrawn.

    Hope that helps.

  • wrenn
    wrenn Member Posts: 2,707
    edited November 2013


    You're right Lisa. I actually took one today because I got a last minute dentist appointment for a cleaning. I felt much more relaxed and even walked home instead of rushing. My dentist gave me some samples for mouth dryness too so that was nice. She gave me biotene mouth wash, gel and tooth paste and some other kind of gel. I am starting to accept that chemo will happen. My wound is down to one and a half centimeters and although it won't be closed it will be close.


    good luck to all those starting and those heading back to the bar. xo

  • KBeee
    KBeee Member Posts: 5,109
    edited November 2013


    So glad to hear that you wound is continuing to heal, Wrenn.

  • LiLi1964
    LiLi1964 Member Posts: 331
    edited November 2013

    Wrenn - that's great news on your wound.  So when is your first chemo?

  • babs6287
    babs6287 Member Posts: 2,021
    edited November 2013


    Wrenn-great news on your wound!


    Babs

  • wrenn
    wrenn Member Posts: 2,707
    edited November 2013


    I got the call to be there Monday for 10:45 I see the oncologist on Friday at 9am. I go for blood work at 8am so I assume he will have the results at 9. I am feeling more energetic so I guess my levels will be ok. I am making lists and checking them thrice to be sure I have everything in order.


    I feel like you women have propped me up and I am really grateful. I am sure I would have given up on it all by now for sure. How can I back down when you are all so strong? xoxo

  • KBeee
    KBeee Member Posts: 5,109
    edited November 2013


    Wrenn, You will do great! Let us know how the appointments go.


    How is everyone feeling?

  • babs6287
    babs6287 Member Posts: 2,021
    edited November 2013


    I'm back at work f/t-just feeling a bit tired! Now, I have more Drs appts-infectious disease, GI, BS and PS-oh well!


    Wrenn-you will do just fine-just keep moving forward!!!!


    Babs

  • VintageGal1111
    VintageGal1111 Member Posts: 705
    edited November 2013


    KBeee today is a good day so far! I had my first new cocktail yesterday Taxol & Herceptin. All went well though with pre meds it was a long infusion time. So weekly T&H for 3 months then Herceptin alone to finish out a year.


    VintageGal

  • wrenn
    wrenn Member Posts: 2,707
    edited November 2013


    Good morning everyone. My biggest problem today was that my new Keurig machine didn't work. I was thinking how nice it was to have a first world problem for a change. I actually got pretty worked up about it thinking I couldn't have my morning ritual coffee but then remembered I had a Keurig single cup put away for my daughter's fiance and I took that out to get my coffee fix.


    I really have been obsessing about chemo but thanks to you women am not feeling that scared now. I hope I don't drive y'all nuts with "is this normal" next week once I start. I intend to use lots of anti anxiety meds so maybe that won't happen.


    I hope everyone continues to be 'ok'. I worry when someone isn't here for a few days that they are having a rough time but everyone seems to come back and it is so good to see that we do survive it.

  • honeybair
    honeybair Member Posts: 746
    edited November 2013


    Wrenn...you can get really good support from a group that someone may have started for the November 2013 chemo group. My January 2013 group was a godsend. I wish you well as you embark on your next step in restoring your health.


    It is normal to be terrified before beginning chemo. I know I was. I later learned that my fear was far greater than the actual experience, but I will not downplay the fact that undergoing chemo is difficult. Keep the faith. You will get through it.

  • poodle_mum
    poodle_mum Member Posts: 83
    edited November 2013

    Just thought I'd drop a line with an update.  My regular appt was Tuesday as usual.  Things have been wonky the past week as you guys know with opening and closing and the grey colour. 

    He did his usual cleaning of the wounds and then decided to try something else to try to get them to scab. I was so hopeful and everything looked good.  By last night I was in a lot of pain but didn't really think much of it because that's the norm for "hell week". Then I put my hand up my shirt and my hand was soaked.  Went into the bathroom to take a look and both were open and pouring drainage. Obviously there's still a lot of drainage - just don't understand why they opened and closed three times over the past week and a half.  I didn't change the dressings today but tipped the bandage a bit to take a peek.  Pouring out like it was a month ago. The areas around the wounds still feel like giant bruises.  

    So I mark my 3 months today - the 22nd.  I'll change the dressings tomorrow.  Keep me in your prayers that they will have improved a lot by the 10th. No word on my schedule for the holidays.  I guess I find out next time.  

    He's getting discouraged but he forgets my disability.  I worry that if I do need that second surgery in the new year that he will refuse because I'm obviously a slow healer.  I like him and don't want to have to start all over with another surgeon.  I've spent 4 months now with him and despite his language limitations some days I'm comfortable with him and I like my nurse.  

    I've got three bald spots from the sores but the sores are healing up so maybe my hair will start to grow in those spots once they are gone. 

    Still can't eat much but I try.  The constant nausea is gone for the most part,  but does come back from time to time throughout the day.  I'm used to it now though. 

    Anywho that's my update. 

    Hope you ladies are doing okay. 

    Wrenn - I got a good chuckle about the coffee.

    Chin up ladies and you're all in my prayers.  

  • LiLi1964
    LiLi1964 Member Posts: 331
    edited November 2013

    Wrenn - Best of luck to you today as you begin the next step in your journey.  In order to keep you mind centered...please try to do what I did - we all know everything that CAN happen with chemo but that does NOT mean ANY will happen to you.  Your medical team is very familiar with your medical issues and all will be taken into effect for the dosage of meds used.

    When you leave, I'd like to know if you have the same experience as myself.  I left the infusion center feeling as great as I did going in.  Later that evening side effects started but by calling the MO on call, he prescribed meds that took care of those issues.  I developed worse SE' after chemo 2, but a long discussion yesterday at Chemo#3 w/my MO she was able tell me what I was going thru BUT THEY HAVE REMEDIES.  Of course, I simply thought it was fatigue but she disagreed (and my blood work backed it up in that all my counts look good).  She said I'm to simply add 2-3 extra days of the steroid at 1/2 the dose to ease thru those terrible fatigue days.  She also pulled up a medical study showing American Gingseng has been shown to help relieve Chemo Related Fatigue and asked that I pick that up in pill form and take 1000iu 2x day.  So....if I had called her after Chemo#2 I may not have suffered as badly as I had.  Moral of the story....if you are feeling poorly, call your MO (and don't do what I did thinking it was just fatigue that I've read many women suffer from).

    You will do fine.  You had a long wait for this day, you've had plenty of time going over the risks and benefits and I, for one, fully respect your decision.  If it can reduce your reccurance rate by 10%, that's a huge and hopefully you realized that and said to yourself "yeah, it's worth it and then I never need to look back thinking I didn't do everything possible to kill this disease once and for all".

    Your on my mind today, Wrenn.  If you feel well enough when you return home, please post us a message and let us know how things went.

    All our Love to you today!

    Lisa

  • LiLi1964
    LiLi1964 Member Posts: 331
    edited November 2013

    Wrenn - Please feel free to use us for any and all questions or concerns you have.  Many of us are either in chemo now or have completed chemo in the past so we are more than willing to have you shoot us anything that comes to your mind.

    We've all been together for nearly 5 months and I thing we all have a good understanding of each individual here.  I can say I certainly feel more comfortable posting questions, concerns, and my ups and downs here where women know me much better than at the chemo thread (those threads get so incredibly huge that there is little chance of really getting to know anyone there, that's just my opinion). 

    Hope your chemo went well - again, let us know when you feel up to it!

  • wrenn
    wrenn Member Posts: 2,707
    edited November 2013


    Lisa, I have been wondering how you were doing and am really happy to see you here today. I am having blood work done and seeing the oncologist today to be approved for chemo on Monday. Before I went to bed I was thinking of you and the forum and was thinking of how I would likely drive you crazy sunday and monday with questions. It is such a relief to know you and everyone here are here and such a great support.


    I have a list of questions. I was going to ask about blood builder but since it is so natural I probably don't have to bother asking if it affects anything. I am anxious to see if my Hemoglobin has gone up so I can prove to him that it works.


    I took ativan last night and slept well and intend to use it liberally from now on. I worry a bit about being too tired to get out of bed for the home care nurses to change my dressings because I usually make sure the dishes are done and things are tidy for them coming but I decided I don't care about the mess and if I stink from lying in bed for hours they can wear a mask. :-)


    Thank you for posting. It really makes starting off this morning easier. I am taking a volunteer car service to chemo and they asked me if I had one or two support people (they allow max of 2 in the car). I wanted to say "many many support people" because I will feel this forum in my pocket. xoxo

  • LiLi1964
    LiLi1964 Member Posts: 331
    edited November 2013

    Wrenn  quick thing to ask about Blood Builder.....it has Vitamin C in it which my MO commented on.  She said it was fine to use as the amount of Vitamin C did not exceed the limitations she has for that or antioxidants being orally taken during chemo.

    Let you MO know it has Vitamin C - my bottle shows 60mg.

    We are all glad to help you any way we can, Wrenn.  You have had a very long journey to where you are at, we know you are nervous but always remember we are here for you and will be looking in often to see if you have any questions or concerns posted.  You are FAR from alone in this!!!!!!!  We got your back, the best we can and it sounds like you have a good medical team in place now so we will all work together to get you thru this as easily and painlessly as possible!

    Keep a smile on your face.  Try to keep that positive attitude and don't let your nerves get the best of you!

    Do you know what time chemo will be on Monday morning?


     

  • wrenn
    wrenn Member Posts: 2,707
    edited November 2013


    Back from oncologist. He was actually surprised that I was agreeing to chemo. He just said so we are here today to decide whether you have chosen to have chemo or not. Then he gave me the numbers.....75% chance of being rid of it if I don't do chemo and 85% chance if I do.


    He read the bottle of blood builder and said it was fine. He also shrugged about Claritin and said it was ok to use it but still doesn't make sense to him. I told him there were clinical trials so someone thinks it does something. He shrugged and said to take it if I want. He also said take ibuprofen or tylenol or stronger if I want and he doesn't expect me to have nausea but if I want to get ginger gravol I can. He said there is a 90% chance that I won't have it.


    I was surprised that I have to take 2 doses in the morning and 2 in the evening of the dexamethasone the day before chemo and 2 the morning of chemo. I think I will need extra ativan after that.


    So, I have the weekend to get caught up on all the tips you guys have (crappy memory so need review) and to pack up my chemo bag. I am actually more excited to get started than I am anxious.....but then I took an ativan while the blood person was struggling to find a vein for my blood work so the anxiety is drugged. :-) Thank you again for all of your wonderful support. I feel like I have not been much of a support since I was stewing about my own selfish kerfuffles.


    I hope everyone has an ok day today. xoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxo

  • LiLi1964
    LiLi1964 Member Posts: 331
    edited November 2013

    Wrenn - you have been tremendous support to all of us!!!

    Regarding the ginger your MO spoke about....as I stated after my last chemo, I had horrible, terrible, lengthy fatigue (4 full days longer than the first chemo - which is why I had not posted much (and then once feeling well enough to get to work, I was so busy I was completely wiped out when I would get home!).  Anyway....yesterday before chemo I talked to my MO about the horrible fatigue.  She suggested that I take the Dexamethasone 1x a day on days 4-6 post chemo.  Apparently what I felt is known to happen....from the studden stoppage of the Dexomethsone!  I never would have thought that, but it makes sense.  So I will take 2x/day for the 3 days following chemo and 1x/day for 2-3 days.  In addition - Ginger.  But not just any Ginger.  She pulled up a study that shows 2000mg/day of AMERICAN Ginger has shown great success in helping with Chemo Related Fatigue. 

    So, I stopped at Walgreens on the way home and they sell no Ginger (that's weird, I thought).  So, yes, you guessed it, I ordered it from Amazon.com.  I should have it tomorrow so I will begin taking in on Monday or Tuesday (when the fatigue really starts to set in).

    Your chemo bag....you know, you really don't need much. In fact, I brought so much based on what I had read at the chemo threads on my first visit and felt really foolish!  All I bring with me now is:  small pillow for behind my neck so I can rest comfortably; my Kindle; a travel mug full of crushed ice to suck on during the A/C push; a pair of hospital socks (w/vinyl treads so I don't slip when running to the rest room) because I'm just not comfy sitting there for 2-3 hours w/my shoes on; and usually a granola bar or protein bar.  My wonderful husband always leaves once they get the IV's going and comes back with either muffins or bagels and cream cheese - and I usually eat one while the Cytoxin is running (since that seems to take the longest).  The infusion centers have blankets - mine actually has heated recliners as well so I don't even need a blanket.  That's it, Wrenn.  You don't need anything else.  If you don't have a Kindle or a book you want to read, perhaps you can pick up a Crossword Puzzle Book - something to make the time pass.  At the infusion center I go to, they have DVD players w/DVD's to help patients or their guests pass the time.

    I actually prefer my husband run out and do whatever he wants during my chemo.  Why?  I want to relax; which means reading or doing a crossword puzzle.  I simply do not feel like visiting - although I do with my chemo nurse when she is doing the A/C push mostly.  She had at least 4 of us she was responsible for yesterday so she had little time to visit which was fine....I wanted to rest or sleep if possible.

    You'll find what makes you most comfortable.  I might suggest that you not look at the bags of meds hanging or even to look at the IV in your arm.  Keep you mind elsewhere (i.e. Kindle or Crossword Puzzle Book) and don't pay any attention to what is actually happening.  Unless, of course, something doesn't feel right, then speak up immediately.  I've not had any issues - well, not during chemo anyway.  This last time I had a lot of anxiety the night before and day of chemo.  I couldn't eat because my stomach was doing flip-flops - not because chemo was making me nervous....it's what I know about how I will feel several days after chemo.  But I feel better now that my MO knows how poorly I was feeling and we have a plan in place to take care of it, hopefully.

    And I want to remind you of what my MO told me right before my first chemo:  "if you even have a thought in your head that is saying "should I call my MO?" then that means you should be on the phone calling your MO!  They are staffed 24 hours a day, 7 days a week.  They have a HUGE bag of tricks to help us through whatever problems we might be having.  So please remember that advise, Wrenn.  To me, she could not have made me feel more comforted and cared for by saying anything else.  It has made/does make a world of difference to know they are simply a phone call away, anytime I might need them and WANTING  to help.

    Any questions, here is your chance, Wrenn.  Others have been thru more than I here and I'm sure everyone is willing to answer any questions you might have so let them fly.....


     

  • wrenn
    wrenn Member Posts: 2,707
    edited November 2013


    Thanks Lisa, I am a bit confused by the Dexamethasone prescription. All along I was told to take one tablet (4mg) the morning before, the evening before and the morning of chemo. It was written in a weird way on the bottle so I showed him the bottle and he said it was wrong and that I have to take 2-4mg tablets each in the morning and evening the day before and the morning of chemo. It seems to me to be a lot since the chemo teaching nurse had told me to take one pill each of those times. He gave me a new script for the next treatments and they say the same (2 pills each time for 3 days starting day before). The pharmacist didn't seem concerned. I am nervous ab out the anxiety with all of that but will take ativan as needed.


    Thanks again for your help. It is good to see that you are able to work. Even though you are tired you are managing and you had a lot of complications to get through.

  • LiLi1964
    LiLi1964 Member Posts: 331
    edited November 2013

    Wrenn - I'm going to assume it has something to do with the differences in our chemo, but I take NO dexamethasone before I show up for chemo.  The first drug in, 3 4mg tablets of dexamethasone.  Then the anti-nausea meds, then the chemo drugs (with saline running the entire time).  But I take no pills before chemo day.

    I wouldn't worry about the dexamethasone causing a need for your Ativan - if you find you need it, then take it.  But the worse thing about the dex is the inability to sleep (which is why I think it weird he has you taking 2 at night - Good Golly, I don't know how you will sleep with taking steroids right before bed!).  Unless Ativan makes you really, really tired....

    Dexamethasone helps with inflammation - I don't know your medical history but Taxotere (I believe - I know this is true with Taxol) causes muscle/nerve pain and that may be why your MO has you taking more that the teaching nurse said you would be taking.  Remember, the MO is highly trained and is taking your entire health issues into account when deciding the dosage of chemo and all medications related to offsetting the side effects.

    I'm glad you are "excited" and not overly nervous.  There is no need to be nervous....it is what it is, and you know what it does and what side effects COULD happen.  Again, most won't affect you.  And you don't know which ones will until you get started - so why worry?  You're going in with a good attitude and w/much less anxiety than I expected.  The Ativan must really be helping and if so, I'm glad you decided to start taking it a few days back.

    Let any of know if you have questions!

  • babs6287
    babs6287 Member Posts: 2,021
    edited November 2013


    Wrenn-you have been there for all of us and now it's our turn to help you. During my AC I took 2 tabs daily of the dex for 3 days after the treatment. But, I do remember taking more at some point. Don't worry about that, just follow what your MO says. And, Lisa is 100% right, the MO has so many things available in their bag of tricks so if you're feeling ANYTHING that concerns you, CALL your MO immediately.


    I went to the infectious disease doctor and the PS today and both gave me a clean bill of health! Yes! They still don't know what kind of an infection I had -it presented in such a weird way. But, I am back on the road-no longer on that off ramp!


    Wishing everyone an easy weekend


    Babs

  • LiLi1964
    LiLi1964 Member Posts: 331
    edited November 2013

    Great News, Babs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Jo6202
    Jo6202 Member Posts: 372
    edited November 2013


    Babs, great news!


    Wrenn, glad you are able to finally start chemo. Ditto what Babs said about you being there for the rest of us and now it's your turn. Best of luck to you. Keep us updated when you are feeling up to it. I don't post every day but I do keep up reading daily. One quick story about calling MO. My son who went through chemo was told to call if ANY question. Well he wouldn't call when he got a red and itchy eye so I did and was I in trouble for doing so! He had to have MO appt. next day and he was put on antibiotics immediately because he had an eye infection. MO said if he had let it go with no immunity he could have been in really big trouble. Moral of story....call about any concern while doing chemo.

  • wrenn
    wrenn Member Posts: 2,707
    edited November 2013


    Thank you guys, I finally have the dexamethasone schedule right. I will ask when I get there about more drugs for nausea. Lisa, thanks for the tip on taking too much stuff. I always do that when I travel and was about to do the same. I had a huge tote bag ready to pack with stuff but now I think I will just need my backpack.


    Honeybair, i have posted in the November group but I prefer this one. :-) Guess I should get to know the gals there but I am comfortable with you people here. I realize you might not be posting soon because your lives will all be back to normal. :-) Will we ever know "normal" again?


    Poodlemum, I feel so bad that you heal so slowly. You sure are patient with it all. I hope it starts to move along a little quicker for you. hugs to you.....and to all of you brave soldiers.

  • LiLi1964
    LiLi1964 Member Posts: 331
    edited November 2013

    Wrenn - I'm glad to hear you say the same about posting here.  I found out before I started chemo that the chemo boards really were not for me.  They are very large, seems many women don't remember what someone may have posted about a medical condition on why they cannot take a medication, yet someone always seems to pop up and say "It't the XXX causing your problems" - when in fact, it is not and that person would know that if they paid attention to the medical condition the first person posted about said she didn't take that medication at all in her chemo.  Too many people trying sometimes to be too helpful and giving out advise that is better left the each persons MO to give.  Just my opinion.....which is why I post here.  You've all become friends and have seen me at my highs and lows and I've never felt any judgment - instead I get incredible support and friendliness from women who have a pretty good idea of everything I've been thru in the journal so you all can help me having that personal experience.  Know what I mean?

    Right now....this is our new normal.  Me; I'm bound and determined it will NOT be my normal come July 2014 (my one year anniversary of when this horror show started).  At that time all my therapy and surgeries should be completed and I will make a new normal for myself and look back on this journey in only a couple ways that are positive:  I've met such wonderful, caring women thru this forum -and I doubt I could have kept my sanity without all your help!!! I'm also very thankful to all the medical professionals I've come in contact with; their caring and support has been overwhelming.  Then, of course, my medical team - I can't even put in words how incredibly lucky I've been to have such a group of very experienced, truly caring, and friendly people caring for me. Also, my family, who has been my rock thru all this.  They see all the turmoil nobody else sees, all the crying, all the disgust I have at how my body now looks, all the pain that seems to never stop - and yet they can look beyond all that and give me a hug to make things "all better".  I've been blessed - but it still has been a horrible experience I want behind me.

    OK - now that I've made myself cry over how I've come in contact with so many wonderful people, I'm going to stop before I start bawling my head off and worrying my DH.

    Hope you all have a great weekend.  Remember, Wrenn - any questions or concerns that you think of over the weekend, let us know and we'll help out any way we can.


     

  • wrenn
    wrenn Member Posts: 2,707
    edited November 2013


    i know what you mean. We all started out here not knowing what was happening. I am at an advantage being delayed because i can see how you have all coped. It really kept me from giving up. I am so grateful. My 4 sisters wanted me to get chemo but it was you women who inspired me to keep going forward instead of giving up.


    I have trouble remembering who everyone is on the other forum....chemo brain came early


    I hope everyone has on ok weekend.


    I might get my head shaved after neulasta shot on tuesday in case i feel too tired to go out later in treatment. Nervous about starting steroids tomorrow but will remind myself that it is all temporary

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