Fall 2013 Rads

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  • MsPharoah
    MsPharoah Member Posts: 1,034
    edited November 2013


    Honeybair. You did it! You radiated like crazy and we can all see and feel your glow! Such warm, happy healing thoughts coming your way. Let us know how you do in the next weeks.


    Bluebird, I hope you rest today and that you feel better every minute. Your husband is so sweet to buy you potions and lotions. I think I mentioned on this thread before that I thought the reason that the recommended products were so varied between the ROS is because it really is not the determiner of how we do. It is a way to make us feel like we have some control over the situation and in some warped way make us feel responsible for the discomfort we are having, if we have any....ie: "You just weren't lubing enough dear". I think you are right. Proper lubrication of the skin with a pure, fragrance free product, is a healthy thing whether you are having radiation or not! You are suffering and that makes me sad.


    Shine On, MsP

  • LisaSp
    LisaSp Member Posts: 253
    edited November 2013


    Bluebird: I am so sorry to hear about all you've been through but I have to congratulate you on your bravery and determination. You will make it through and be fine, I know. All the best to you and your husband.


    Batcatlady and Tanya: Good to see you both again. I am now done with 19 of 33 treatments and have experienced only slight redness and a bit of skin tightness thus far. At least for me, rads have been so much easier than chemo, so hoping for the best for all of us. Has your hair started to grow back yet? Mine is growing kinda unevenly all over my head, though an awful lot is white and fine (boo).


    Congrats, honeybair


    I have never regretted my choice to have a lumpectomy vs. a mastectomy. There is even very current research findings showing a slight survival advantage in lumpectomy and rads vs. mastectomy in early-stage cancer patients over age 50. As I'm 53, I was pleased to hear it but as I'm medically conservative by nature, I wanted the less radical surgery. Plus as I have no known risk factors and no family history, I felt I trusted the course of treatment I chose.

  • Bounce
    Bounce Member Posts: 574
    edited November 2013


    I went through a time after diagnosis when I really wanted a mastectomy. The doctors wouldn't even hear of it. Even though I was very concerned about radiation - after doing some research and seeing that mastectomy doesn't necessarily stop you from getting radiation and doesn't give you significantly better odds I "settled" for lumpectomy.


    I am very happy now that I made that decision.


    These choices also have to be made based on every one's individual diagnosis and genetic background. For me 2 sound medical opinions saying lumpectomy and radiation was the deciding factor and I don't regret it - in fact I am relieved that the doctors did not allow me to go ahead with mastectomy.


    I will face mastectomy if I have to in the future - but only when it is medically necessary - not as a choice.


    Once you do decide on a treatment try never to second guess yourself but go ahead calmly believing you are doing the right thing for you.


    Thanks to MsP I stopped thinking of radiation as deadly damage to my entire body and began to see it as healing light energy killing only the cancer cells.


    I am doing the treatments and don't regret the choice.

  • honeybair
    honeybair Member Posts: 746
    edited November 2013


    PRB, I had DCIS, stage 0, 12 years ago and chose lumpectomy with radiation. I have no regrets. I enjoyed my breasts and they enhanced my sex life tremendously. I recently had a mastectomy and overcoming the pain and discomfort from this is no easy task. My radiation tech asked me last night upon completion of my treatments if I was sorry that I did not originally choose mastectomy. I told him no, even though my cancer recurred in the same breast. Besides, even after mastectomy, cancer can still recur in the chest wall or in the scar area. I did not know this until reading Dr. Susan Loves's Breast Book this year. I do wish, however, that I had taken tamoxifen. Perhaps I would not have developed the recurrence, but then who really knows?


    Since you have a young child, I assume you are a young woman. It is my personal opinion that many women choose the extremity, but each woman must choose to do what she is most comfortable with.


    You can be treated and live a long, healthy life. I wish you the best in whatever you pursue.

  • anne11595
    anne11595 Member Posts: 101
    edited November 2013

    Honeybair I did the happy dance for you!! It must feel so good to be done. Monday I will be done and hope to dance all the way out the door!

     Bluebird hope you start healing soon. My prayers are with you.

    Hope everyone has a good week!

  • FierceBluebird
    FierceBluebird Member Posts: 758
    edited November 2013

    Ms.p that makes sense. I agree that the advice doctors give is sometimes for their best interest (or disinterest!)  I'm in a doctor hating kind of mood this afternoon. I asked if I could get a script for stronger pain pills since Norco just isn't cutting it. Percocet makes me sick so I asked if there was something else I could take instead and the doctor won't write for anything else. Take it or leave it. ( they didn't say that, but that's how I felt!)  I just realized their phone number is 6660,. I knew they were Satan!  Lol... can you tell I'm grumpy when in pain? I'm going to start setting fires and share my glow!    Ok, not really but I'd like to! 

    >:-(

  • bikergirl
    bikergirl Member Posts: 112
    edited November 2013


    TanyaF-


    Congrats on finishing chemo! I did 4 rounds of chemo-I think the radiation, although it is Mon-Fri, is more tolerable than chem. I have had 23/34 treatments. my skin is just pink, no breaks in the skin-and I am a blond Irish girl!


    Make sure you use the topical cream the MO recommends. Don't wear a bra as often as you can-prevents chafing.


    I have been marking off the days-seems to help emotionally.


    Good luck!

  • candi07
    candi07 Member Posts: 188
    edited November 2013


    PRB 1956 I had a lumpectomy in July and I have no regrets. I have decided not to focus on what could happen and put more focus into my faith. I had AC x 4 and 3 Taxol treatments one more to go, then on to rads. I'm grateful for where I am today, it hasn't been easy. You will know in your heart what the right decision is.

  • MsPharoah
    MsPharoah Member Posts: 1,034
    edited November 2013


    Bluebird, you made me chuckle with the 6660. Normally I wouldn't want to rile anyone up, but if you're glowing, then that ain't all bad. I'm so bad....when I have a hard spot with a doctor, like when they are patronizing, etc, I just call them by their first name and use the most diminuative version. Not Robert, not Bob....Bobby! Now that I am a sr citizen, I get a pass.


    Sure hope you feel better! MsP

  • wyo
    wyo Member Posts: 541
    edited November 2013


    PRB


    Its okay to ask any question here- after all who else will really understand. I am like many of the others on this site- was absolutely sure I "needed" a double mastectomy at first.


    I met with the plastic surgeon who did not encourage me to do this in fact he was a big part of why I did choose lumpectomy. I had several physician friends say they would do the whole thing- but they were not breast surgeons.


    My breast surgeon was awesome- she said these days with early diagnosis and so many different treatment options its a difficult decision. We both knew I was having surgery- just not sure which one- she sent me on vacation (already planned-she said DO NOT cancel) and said email me your decision. I searched my heart,mind and soul- talked to my husband who said "I don't care what you do treatment wise I just want you to be here" I decided on lumpectomy with radiation and never looked back.


    Not as a patient but as a nurse I would urge you to take the time you need to make the right choice for you and your life. People do so much better during any kind of healthcare treatment (surgery or otherwise) when they have a positive frame of mind and are bought into the treatment plan. You could always opt for no further treatment (surgery or radiation) but make sure you make a deliberate decision not purely from fear or "what if"

  • Rainyday13
    Rainyday13 Member Posts: 29
    edited November 2013
    I can actually see the end. It is still 2.5 weeks away, but it feels like the home stretch. They are doing the measuring and marking for my boosts tomorrow. The skin is holding up so far, pink and a little sore and sluffing of skin in the nipple area. Could it be that I will be okay????? That would be fantastic.
    So sorry, Bluebird, I can't even imagine. But it's your humor that will get you through this. Looks like your husband is a keeper. That means so much when you go through this.
  • summergal
    summergal Member Posts: 208
    edited November 2013


    PRB1956 - I hear you. Right around the time I was approaching my first CT sim for radiation, I had the feeling that maybe I should have had BMX. I think that might be a common feeling for many women. What if I made the wrong choice? How do I stop what feels like a slippery slide? How do I regain some control about what's going to happen to me? I do tend to be a "backgazer" (i.e., even when I've made a choice after a long decision-making process, I still gaze back at what might have been), and it wasn't any different with breast cancer. Like MsP. said, there are no easy or good choices when faced with a BC diagnosis. BUT...even as my fear about the uncertainty of radiation was taking hold, I kept reminding myself of certain things. 1) Having had lumpectomies, I could always have a mastectomy later if I needed to. Not the other way around. 2) I was told by a very confident and experienced Surgical Oncologist with a specialty in Breast Cancer Surgery that I was a good candidate for lumpectomies, despite having a tumor that was very near to my chest wall. 3) There is no guarantee that mastectomy will spare someone from radiation. I have been very surprised to have seen on the signatures of several women on this thread alone that they had mastectomies, and still had chemo AND radiation.


    It might be helpful to talk about your fears of each of the proposed treatments. My fear is not of radiation itself. I believe it to be a safe modality for extending my life given my diagnosis. The fear that prompted me to think again about mastectomy as I neared radiation treatment, was fear of recurrence in my breast tissue. Surely if my breast tissue is gone, I won't have to face this diagnosis again! Not necessarily true. A lot of this process is giving up control. That is very hard to do for most, if not all, of us. Trusting in the process is also hard. I have a young child, too, and was dismayed when I saw women writing, "I chose mastectomy because I have a young child to live for." As if I didn't?! But everyone uses the information they have at hand, plus their personal experience and belief system, to make decisions about treatment. For me, I finally settled and feel good about my choice because I view this as a step-by-step process. My lumpectomies followed by radiation are the first step. Tamoxifen is the second. Cancer-starving nutritional choices are next. I trust that my health care team wants me to live and will help me make decisions that allow me to live.


    Whatever you choose, know that you are honored and loved in that choice. We are with you. I am sending you vibes of acceptance and comfort with whatever course you choose. XO

  • mcmacey
    mcmacey Member Posts: 14
    edited November 2013


    hello all --


    looks like you have an important conversation going (summergal -- beautifully said) so i hate to interject but...


    I started radiation therapy yesterday. About an hour after, my breast started to ache - not the skin, on the inside. It worsened through the day. I finally took some ibuprofen and that helped. I will be asking about it today at #2 but wondering if anyone else experienced this? thanks for an info!

  • FierceBluebird
    FierceBluebird Member Posts: 758
    edited November 2013

    Mcmacey,  you can jump in anytime! That's what we're here for! Yes, internal pain can happen. Just mention it to you doc. I call them zingers. It can be uncomfortable, but hopefully ibuprofen helps you.

  • Mellie289
    Mellie289 Member Posts: 156
    edited November 2013


    Hi everyone - I started rads on Monday - I'm doing the 40 Gy 15 treatments, plus 5 boosts at the end, so today will be 1/4 of the way there (4/20 done already).


    I already have a pink breast. Did anyone get some redness and swelling within the first week? I'll ask today, but I've had post-op redness and swelling for months that finally went away during the last month or so. I think it might be that returning, but I wondered if anyone actually had the radiation skin side effects appear earlier than two weeks like everything I read says - especially if doing the shorter course with higher doses. I suspect this is more a lymph drainage problem from having lymph nodes out that is being aggravated again by the radiation rather than the beginnings of a radiation burn, but is it possibly to have the skin damage appear this soon? My RO has me applying calendula cream twice a day too.

  • summergal
    summergal Member Posts: 208
    edited November 2013


    mcmacey - welcome! I thought I was the only one who felt some internal pain yesterday, which was only my second full treatment. I thought, "how can I feel something so quickly after treatment? After all, I only just started!" but, yes, I felt little achey pains in first one breast, then the other (I'm having both sides radiated). I told my husband, "hmm, maybe it's bad cancer cells being forced to jump off the cliff to their certain death..." if so, I'll take it! But seriously, if they get worse, do as Bluebird suggested and speak with your RO. Also, I'll mention, I take an Ibuprofen one hour before treatment. It helps to calm my shoulders when holding them up above my head for so long.

  • Bounce
    Bounce Member Posts: 574
    edited November 2013


    Hi Ladies


    After my second treatment I had internal pain and lots of swelling. I asked the nurse if this was regular and she said "Special people are allowed anything!" What the hell did that mean?


    Anyway - by the end of my first week I had done 4 treatments and I felt like a rugby player had run into my boob - HARD!


    Luckily the pain and discomfort has not increased above that level and I have now completed my 14th treatment. The weekend seems to give me enough relief to get through the next week.


    Things that help - massaging my breast very gently like this:


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JZnaXzFHyA


    Its 55 seconds and really helps my pain. I use a little cream to make the massage easier.


    I think what we are feeling is different from zingers in that it is not sharp sudden pain but constant low grade discomfort. I think zingers are quick and sharp - have had some of those too but not many.


    Also I have pain from my breast that makes my lower arm tingle.


    But best of all is I now have Fatigue - and I am writing it with a capital F.


    If I don't sleep in the afternoon - which I can't always - I simply start to cry and fall asleep at 18:00 or 19:00. Then I get up an hour and a half later and get ready for bed.


    I am now asking my family for help with chores. Its a shock to my kids to see me like this.


    I had to warn my husband that my tears have nothing to do with anything and just mean I am tired and need to sleep.


    I have my first meeting with my RO next week since starting rads and will have a question or 2 for him.


    Mellie 289 - please let me know which company makes your calendula cream - I have not been able to find any that doesn't contain perfumes and chemicals and am tired of pouring over labels.


    Hope the weekend brings you all rest and recovery.

  • flaviarose
    flaviarose Member Posts: 442
    edited November 2013


    summergal, can you share your cancer starving nutrition choices?

  • mcmacey
    mcmacey Member Posts: 14
    edited November 2013


    Thank you everyone. I called my RO ahead of time today. She said that can happen in about 10-20% of patients (lucky us). Also advised the ibuprofen before treatment which so far has helped. Love the idea of cancer cells cliff diving (maybe into molten lava).


    thanks Bounce for the video - will give it a try!


    Mellie - I am also doing the 40 Gy 15 treatments, plus 5 boosts and wondered if the increased amount caused the pain. Sure will be nice to be done earlier though.


    Have a great weekend All!

  • Mellie289
    Mellie289 Member Posts: 156
    edited November 2013


    Bounce - I am using the cream from Boiron. My RO gave me a sample and I just ordered the same thing here from Amazon:

    http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000WRZOW0/ref=oh_details_o02_s01_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1


    It does have a smell, but I hadn't read the label to see if there are perfumes in it - I just went with what I was given. I found the ingredients list here just now and it looks like there aren't fragrances added:


    http://www.boironusa.com/products/calendula-cream/


    I am surprised to see alcohol on the label since she was so insistent on the brand of aloe vera gel I get not having alcohol. She gave me a sample of that too and told me to find the same one for when I need to apply it after a couple weeks or so.


    I also had some swelling yesterday that has gone down a bit today, and a little pain - more beside my breast. The pain didn't last very long. Maybe I'll try some ibuprofen too - it might also help with some of muscle pain I still have hanging on from chemo.


    I'd like to try the massage, but I'm really worried about even touching my skin beyond putting on the calendula cream. I'm going to see what my RO says about that today if I get to see her at my appointment.


    Wishing everyone a great weekend with lots of healing!

  • CarlaK
    CarlaK Member Posts: 158
    edited November 2013


    Hello-coming to you 1 week after getting to the finish line. I'm still going through the peeling raw stage where I had the boosts but higher up under my arm seems to be improving and the rash on chest, supraclavicular area and back (where the supraclavicular dose exited) is all mostly gone.


    I also used the Boiron calendula cream on the rash and found it nice and soothing, rubs in nicely. But on broken skin I have only used Aquaphor. My RO offered me silvadene but said it's so messy and hard to keep from going all over that it probably wasn't worth it. Honestly I'm not convinced any particular cream really matters-your skin has to do what it's going to do and none of them speed up the healing process, they just maybe help the discomfort some. I'm super impatient to get healed up and start getting my range of motion back, I've lost some ground but the RO doesn't want to me to pull too much on that skin and cause it to tear.


    Have a great weekend all of you in the middle of treatment-rest well!


    Carla

  • MsPharoah
    MsPharoah Member Posts: 1,034
    edited November 2013


    CarlaK,


    Thanks for updating us on your progress and congratulations.... continued healing. And I agree with you that soothing the skin is the best we can do. I did not have to have my axilla or supraclavicle area radiated and I think that makes a big, big difference. So glad that you are doing well.


    Love, MsP

  • mfm48
    mfm48 Member Posts: 110
    edited November 2013


    HI all. New to this board. I just finished chemo 9 days ago. Feeling pretty crummy right now but waiting for the cycle to change. It always does. I have rads scheduled for December 3rd. 18 total. Anyone else on that schedule? Thanks for all your input, good and bad. Its good to be mentally and emotionally prepared for this.

  • lindacam
    lindacam Member Posts: 161
    edited November 2013


    Just finished 4/28 today...no redness but breast achy too. Had same thing during chemo and they said it was cells dying in the tumor..kinda like pacman eating them!

  • Bounce
    Bounce Member Posts: 574
    edited November 2013


    Thanks for the Calendula links.


    For those curious about treatment length and strength affecting pain - I am doing 25 treatments with a simultaneous integrated boost. - 50 Gray + 10 extra Gray to tumor bed.


    I wake up with my boob feeling sore (14/25 done - sore since 2nd treatment) and uncomfortable. I am not the usual ray of sunshine I try to be.


    This has given me new sympathy for anyone who suffers from chronic pain for any reason - not just rads. Its tiring as hell and no fun.


    I am going to go lie down now and imagine I am on a beach in the sun ....


    I am happy that its the weekend.


    LisaP how are you?

  • wyo
    wyo Member Posts: 541
    edited November 2013


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    Bounce this is for you! was a view from our balcony in Hawaii before I had surgery- makes me smile just to look at it now- take a little vacation in your imagination and get some rest!

  • wyo
    wyo Member Posts: 541
    edited November 2013


    Finally Finally my wound care colleague got back to me-


    She gave me two suggestions- one sounds like it will work now and the other sounds like it might work after treatment is finished- I will type what she sent verbatim from her email. Not sure if you have tried any of these and if they require a prescription but they both sounded good just reading about them and not sticking to your skin that is trying to regenerate.


    Mepital One is a silicone non contact layer that can be left on for 14 days and only the outer dressing (gauze or non-adherent foam) are changed as needed. - sounds like for "later" while recovering maybe? (my comment)


    The other product is a hydrogel sheet. Very soothing and healing. Vigilon and Aquaflo are 2 brand names- they can be refrigerated and applied as needed. - sounds like can be applies and removed while treatment is happening (my comment)

  • Bounce
    Bounce Member Posts: 574
    edited November 2013


    wyo - Thank you. I went back to bed thinking of Hawaii and had an extra 2 hours weekend sleep. Wonderful.

  • FierceBluebird
    FierceBluebird Member Posts: 758
    edited November 2013

    Wyo, thank you for the information and the mini vacation! (Once again I stole something from bounce) ha ha..  

    Coincidentally I've been doing some research on the hydrogel sheets. A friend recommended the vigilon, and another mepiplex Ag. The research shows that patient satisfaction and relief was better with hydrogel sheets but it delays healing time. I'm going to order and try though thanks!  Just add another $100 to my visa bill! Lol!   Going to look into the Mepital one too. 

    Started taking oxycontin last night. It's not all its cracked up to be. Drug addicts can keep it as far as I'm concerned.

  • TanyaF
    TanyaF Member Posts: 54
    edited November 2013


    I had my CT scan and re-consultation. I've also got marks and stickers :) I don't go back for the practice run until Black Friday at 7am! I was hoping to get started earlier. My RO recommended the Miaderm so I ordered that. He said 6-weeks so I am assuming that is 30?? We shall see.

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