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hey, I finally figured out how this thing works! LOL What is TAC?
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Hey Bridgette and all,
My Dr. started me on steroids the day before chemo and then tapered me off by day 7 (from 4 pills a day to 1 a day). The steroids helped deal with the effects of the chemo (I would start feeling better the first week), and when I went off, I would start feeling bad again a week after chemo. For me, the worst thing that would happen is this crushing feeling in my chest and difficulty breathing. I also felt more fatigue and depressed for a couple of days. I had lots of discussions with my Dr. about extending the steroids longer, but we agreed that was not the best option.
So, while it may not really be "steroid withdrawl", when I stopped taking them, I would feel worse for a few days.
Not sure if anyone else noticed this, but I have heard of folks feeling better for a few days and then having a decline for a few days....it may be due to coming off the steroids...
Karen -
Karen,
Even with TAC there are different protocols. I am in a clinical trial and the steroids start the day before chemo and go for 3 days. In fact, they had to cut my dose in half because I was reacting to the decadron. so I guess the withdrawal does also depend on how much and hhow long we have to take the sterouids.
Jeannette -
Like Jeannette, I take Decadron the day before chemo, plus the day of and day after. I do notice a decline after day two but figured that was the chemo hitting my system hard from days 3-8.
Is anyone else worried about becoming dependent on a sleep aid? I have been taking ambien at night and am worried that once I finish chemo, I won't physically be abe to fall asleep without it.
Brigitte -
I took ambien from the first chemo on through the end of radiation, so almost 7 months. I thought I was going to have a problem getting off of it, but I ran out and just went cold turkey, but never even noticed a difference. It might have been because during radiation you are tired anyway.
Shannon -
Brigitte,
Get through the chemo. don't worry about the Ambien. It is not the addictive and you will probably find yourself weaning off it when chemo is done. Don't forget that chemo isn't done until the 3 week cycle is over - not when you get the last treatment.
Meanwhile this isn't the time to worry about dependency, it's the time to do what it takes to deal with the chemo and its effects. That's why it's also so good to have each other's support.
Jeannette -
Hello TAC sisters
I wish you all the best with getting through your treatment.
Day 11 of round 4 and like y'all say, this ain't no joke. This has been the worst so far and I hope it doesn't get worse than this cuz they'll be taking me out of the infusion room in a wheel chair. I am also starting to dread the infusion room, even for the Neulasta shots. I get sad now when I have to go there.
Withhope, TAC is the chemo regimen of Taxotere, Adriamycin and Cytoxin. I get blessed with 6 rounds of it every 21 days with a Neulasta shot on day 5.
Ferne -
Maybe I'm the last to see it, but I just discovered www.thesurvivormovie.com on another thread. Was wondering if you guys have seen it. Check it out if you haven't. It is really good.
Hope all is well with you guys. Like Jeanette said, I am heading towards the goal post with number 6 in sight....friday.
Molly -
I certainly hope all you experienced TAC sisters stay around to encourage those of us who are closer to the starting line than the finish line.
I am at #1 plus 14 days. I have felt remarkably well for the last week. I feel normal and healthy, but I know I still have a long way to go and it's probably going to get a lot harder with successive treatments. It does feel good to know that I'm fighting this beast with the toughest stuff out there.
Darlene -
Leigh was right. Having a wedding was like taking a vacation. For a whole week I pretended that I wasn't dealing with all of this. I was "normal" for the week of the wedding. Except for the fact that it happened during a record breaking heat wave (107 degrees with humidity at 75%) the wedding was great. I'm trying to rest up today. I've got #5 coming up tomorrow. Hang in there ladies!
Jackie -
Hey everybody! I just had my first radiation treatment today. It was nothing compared to TAC. lol Lay on the table, zap, zap, cya later. (for the next 7 weeks though)
Darlene - congrats on getting thru the first one! I felt pretty much normal after the first 3 treatments, then I got tired on number 3 and 4, then it got a bit harder. Hang in there and enjoy the moments you feel good.
Jackie - 107 degrees?? Yikes! Makes me want some water just thinking about it lol
Molly - never saw that link either, going to check it out after this. Good luck on #6, almost done!
Oh, I took the steroids day before, of, and after for my first 2 treatments, then after that they just gave them to me in my drip, since it was too much for me.
My mind is still squirrely 4 weeks after mt last TAC. LOL I finally lost the TV remote. It's the one for the complicated TV too, it figures!
Paula -
Round #3 of TAC has really kicked my butt. I had few problems with #1 & 2 but I've been nauseous pretty much since day 1 of this cycle. Then I developed an ugly case of thrush over the weekend. Today is the first day that I just haven't been able to go to work due to the fatigue, hot flashes and nausea. At the moment, I'm just not sure this is worth it. I've always been very strong and I can't stand this weak, out of control feeling. I had surgery in May and started Chemo in June (2 positive internal mammary nodes, no metastases found by scans) so I have no proof that there is even anything to be fighting at this point. This makes it hard to keep up a fighting spirit and to "know" it is worth what I'm going through now. I know that when I start feeling better, my frame of mind will be better and I'll decide to finish the last half of treatment but right now the idea of quitting seems so nice. Treatment #4 is going to be delayed by a week so that I can attend my daughter's wedding and that may be a good thing. It may give me enough time to get my mind back into fighting mode.
Thanks for listening (reading). -
Dear Shelley, we have all been where you are mentally; I wanted to quit really badly after chemo #3, it made me so sick and weak. But I am facing round #5 TAC next Thursday and wish it would get here already so I can get this whole thing over with (I will have six total, just like everyone else here). It IS worth it; you are fighting to save your life and TAC is on your side, even though it does not feel like it when we are feeling like crap. I spent today in bed, totally exhausted, and it's day 11 since my last TAC so I did not expect this to happen today. I also had nausea today, which I would have thought would have happened sooner. So, yes, TAC is not fun. And if you had two positive nodes (which is what your post says), then you need the chemo. I also had two positive nodes. My biggest fear is that the TAC will not find the cancer and I will have to go thru this again, but that's not something I can do anything about. I am starting to ramble, sorry. Just want to encourage you that you are doing the right thing, even though it is hell to go through .. we are all going thru it and by sharing our feelings here, we can help each other through .. Hang in there!
Hugs, Brigitte -
Sheeley,
At some point each of us has "hit the wall" and wonder if we would go on. for some it was a fleeting thought, for others more prolonged. We have all had some similar expereinces with TAC and have also found that each cycle may be different than the last - and not necessarily worse. Yes the fatigue adds up, but it does with all chemo.
Mean time we are kicking but with the best to be offered - and making sure that any stray cancer cells are zapped on the spot and won't come back to try and set up housekeeping elsewhere in our bodies.
So hang in and think of a big uzzie zapping those nasty little bug***rs.
J. -
I've been thinking about asking the onc to skip rounds 5 and 6 and see if we can go on to surgery. Been thinking about it alot lately. I have the feeling he might not be so keen on it, though. The thing that sucks is that it's either chemo or rads after surgery and knowing my dumb luck....chemo might be the better option.
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There were times I wanted to quit before 6 rounds too. My hands and feet were getting numb and I felt chest pressure and hot flashes. My oncologist told me that he could reduce the taxotere up to 25%. He reminded me that cells have a cycle and that the 6 cycles gave more chances to kill the cells and prevent them from growing back. I know it is really hard. I felt at times I couldn't finish either. This is tough stuff but you have gone this far I hope you consider hanging in and giving yourself the best shot your physician can recommend. I am on Rad 9 and it is a piece of cake compared to chemo.
Take Care
MarciaA. -
Thank you MarciaA for your encouragement.
I know deep down the best thing is to finsh the chemo, and more likely than not, I'll hang in there. But I'm still going to see if there is anything my onc can do to make it easier. They tested my blood at my GP for all sorts of things to see if there are any other things making me feel so ill. I just feel a bit despondant with the whole thing, but so far today, I feel decent. I hope it continues to get better before round 5.
I know so many others have gone through this and much worse. I just feel a bit puppyish when I'm feeling ill, and feels like I'll feel this way forever, although I won't.
Thank you again,
Ferne -
I have to keep telling myself, "The chemo is lying to me. It's not like this forever. I will get out of this hole!" It's wild what the drugs do to our thoughts and emotions. They make us believe lies. I think this is the worst side effect of all.
Jackie -
Jackie,
just remember "this too will pass" and like so many others , we will be feeling tons better, with energy and back to full-time living in a few months.
Jeannette -
Have any of you had this? I called my doc yesterday because I literally could not get out of bed, and it was day 12 post chemo and I still felt horrible. The nurse called right back and said that according to my chart, I was borderline anemic and she has ordered this stuff called Aranesp that I need to self-inject every other week to stimultae my red blood cell production. Are any of you ladies doing this and does it help? I've started taking an iron supplement in the morning and that's already making a small difference, at least I'm out of bed for about half of the day ...
Thanks, Brigitte -
Brigitte,
I have been borderline anemic for the last 3 cycles. Have managed so far with taking iron - now do 2 every other day, and add laxative to keep from seizing up. Anything to avoid yet more drugs. So far I am holding my own this way.
I wqas exhausted in cycle 3 - probably inpart because of the borderline anemia. Am doing ok at this point.
Hope the iron, etc. work for you. My doc also said lots of red meat, liver if you can hack it, and red fish like salmon.
Now having said that, my apetite doesn't much fancy any of that stuff right now so its a catch-22. Oh well, this will soon be over. Haning in, hanging on.
Jeannette -
My treatment calls for me to go back to the treatment center 1 week after a treatment for blood work. If I'm found to be anemic at that time, I am given a shot of either Procrit or Aransep. I had a double shot of Aransep after my 1st treatment, a single shot of Procrit after my second treatment, a single dose of Procrit with my 3rd treatment and now 1 week after treatment #3 I've had to have another single dose of procrit.
The Erythropoetin stimulators give your bone marrow the boost it needs to start stimulating red cell production. In Chemo patients, this is a much faster and more effective way of getting your hemoglobin/hematocrit levels into a more therapeutic range. I usually starting feeling less depressed and fatigued within about 12-18 hours after the injection. By the next day may energy level is up to almost normal. I am able to work full 8 hour days the day after I get the shot and this holds until the next treatment. -
Hey TAC sisters!
At my 5th TAC I was anemic and got the aranesp shot to bring up my hemoglobin. Or maybe it was the 4th.. lol Anyway, I am now 1 month past my last TAC, and I still qualify for the shot one more time. I'm going to go ahead and take it, since it's paid for and all. Feeling tired is the pits.
Today my husband and I were on the computers being silly, and he looked at me and said "I think someone is really feeling better finally". I sat there for a moment, stunned, as I realized that he was right. I actually feel good! I remember thinking as I was going thru the whole thing that I would never feel good again, but I do!
You gals can all do this if I can! I'm a baby about being sick, but I made it through, and I know it was the best possible treatment option out there. Dang! There is a light at the end of the tunnel. Hugs for you all!
My hair is coming back in the same color as when I was a baby. Very very very light blonde, so you can still hardly see it, although I can feel something when the wind blows. Now if it gets curly too, that will really be something.
Everyone hang in there, please. Drink lots, and get rest! If you are doing radiation after this, it's such a piece of cake.
Paula -
Paula,
Thanks for the boost. I shall start counting the days after next Tuesday (last TAC).
Jeannette -
Hi TAC ladies,
Today is 3 weeks from #6 and final chemo. I saw the onc today and it was nice to leave the office feeling good, instead of dreadful. Onc did the normal questions, physicial, and I had blood drawn. I also got a shot of Lupron (to be sure I am in menopause- no periods since starting chemo and I was perimenopausal prior to BC), and will start on Arimidex (he feels Arimidex is better than Tamoxifen). Onc mentioned something about a Europeans study and survival - but i didn't write it down and once I was done, couldn't remember. I went with my 8 year old - hubby is out of town till tomorrow and this is the first appt he has missed. I thought I might take a girlfriend, but opted not too. We were talking about menopause and AI's- but I just don't remember. This week, I am finally feeling decent - have been able to sleep the past few nights (though with the help of Ativan- and onc is okay with this). horrid taste is gone from my mouth, but stomach is still sore after eating sometimes. Onc saidd to give it a little more time and if it still hurts to contact my pcp and maybe have an endoscopy done. I go for a bone density on 8/7. Started rads today. Go back to the onc in three months. If I have had my hysterectomy by then, then no more Lupron shots, other wise another shot.
Karen in Denver, stage 3A, ILC, IDC, 8+ nodes, E+,PR+, HER2-done chemo, doing rads
P.S. I brought the nurses home made cookies to say thank you for all their TLC.
Best of luck to all the gals starting or in the middle of TAC - you will get through it -
Thanks, all, for your posts about anemia. I learned how to give myself the Aranesp injection today; it was very easy actually and I hate shots. The needle is very thin;the syrum stings a little bit but just for a second or two. I was very discouraged when the nurse said it wouldn't work for a day or so, but it's actually been 8 hours and I am just now feeling a little peppier. Am keeping fingers crossed that I'll feel better tomorrow. Laying around all day watching dumb television is bad enough on days 1 thru 7 post-chemo; doing it the past four days with chemo just a week way is really the pits.
Karen, congratulations on being all thru. YOu give me hope that there is light at the end of this very loooong tunnel.
Hugs, Brigitte -
Hi TAC Ladies. It has been 6 weeks since my last chemo. My hair is growing back and I have some numbness in my feet and my eyes are still tearing but I am feeling like my old self again. I have lost some of the belly fat from the decadron but I am finally feeling like exercising some. I have had 3 weekly herceptin and have 2 more weekly IVs to go before I go to a every 3 week Herceptin schedule. I have had 12 of 33 radiation treatments. My breast is a little warm but nothing major. I get a little tired toward the end of the week but it is nothing like Chemo. I am on a 3 month schedule to see my Oncologist. Kinda spooky feeling after seeing him monthly for so long. I See my rad onc weekly while taking radiation and they measure my arms for lymphadema which fortunately I have not had problems with.
I know why former posters drop off the message boards once they have finished....It is a chemo blues that hits you then you kinda just want to forget how bad you felt when you took chemo and reading posts brings back a lot of that same feeling.
I wish all of you the best and I hope we all can beat cancer.
take care
Marcia -
Hello Brigitte, Jeanette....
Thanks for the update Paula, Karen in Denver, and Marcia. I'm anxious to hear how fast the hair is growing in and all about the radiation! I so much appreciate all the insight you can give me as you are ahead of me in the schedule of things. I do so much better when I know what to expect rather than get a surprise.
All of your posts are so important to me.
I finished TAC number 6 this morning. My mom flew in from minnesota to help take care of me and my boys. got my husband here with lots of support. I am having the burping heartburn feeling, took some Pepcid, and am feeling better. I'm just so happy to be DONE! The nurses brought me a big cake today for the celebration. It was nice. Tomorrow is my Neulasta shot. My radiation appointment is August 17 and they tell me I can get my port out in 3 weeks. Yea!
Hope you guys have a great weekend!
Molly -
To the girls who are taking any and all meds. and still are feeling overwhelmed and miserable. I got to the point where I was willing to try anything... had several people recommend acupuncture. Ferne, like you, I would get teary and nauseated just going into the clinic....it was becoming unbearable. I actually had dose dense AC first, and am now on weekly Taxol/Herceptin. By the time I finished my AC, I knew there was no way I could endure the next 12 wks. feeling the way I was, so I relented and went to see what this acupuncture stuff is all about. It has helped me tremendously. I had relief from the anticipatory nausea I was getting, and the Taxol/herceptin has been a breeze compared to the AC.... he saw me a couple of times per week for a few weeks, then dropped me down to once a week for a few weeks, and my last was 3 weeks apart - I started getting some pretty intense neuropathy and swelling, high BP in between - so I told him about it when I went in. Within 2 days of the acupuncture, my symptoms have dissipated. I can't really explain how it works, all I know is that it has made me a believer, and I plan to keep him incorporated in my therapy until I am done with everything. 1 more Taxol/Herceptin left and I am on to just Herceptin and rads. Hang in there girls. Anything you can do to make it bearable (that's legal!) and okayed with your oncs. - do it to get through this. Next year this time we'll be glad we did. Lori
P.S. - Most insurances do not pay for this, but if you have a health savings account, which is the tax deferred account alot of companies are incorporating into their health care plans, it will be a covered expense, so you can use your non taxed money. Some companies offer discounts for alternative medicine procedures as well, so check with your company's benefits person. -
Good on ya Molly. (that's an Aussie saying that I love). I'm glad that you are done - now just the recovery. We really are a week apart. I see the rads people on the 21st. Don't know what the recommendation will be since I am "borderline" for clinical indication for rads.
From what I understand it will be much easier than TAC has bee. Just think of TAC as a huge ultramarathon for the toughest.
Lori, thanks for the reminder on acupuncture. We have lots of acupuncturists up here and some of their costs are covered. I haven't had extreme problems but whenever I apss a clinic I remind myself that it's there if I need it. Wish it killed the cancer cells. Sigh.
Jeannette
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