Lumpectomy or mastectomy? How did you decide?
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I am strongly PRO lumpectomy if you have a choice, so will answer your questions from that perspective.
1. you are doing rads either way, so that is not an issue (I found rads a piece of cake after chemo).
2.If you want to be DONE, like I did, then a lumpectomy is the way to go. I missed a week of work & then was able to get back to my regular retinue. A mastectomy is a much more invasive surgery, has more potentially that could go wrong, and has a much longer recovery time. When you add reconstruction, look out! Go look at some of the reconstruction threads to see how much more down time, repeated surgeries, pain, unwanted side effects etc. can be added to your life. (Even if all goes well, it is going to take extra time & generally will require revisions down the road.) Another thing, reconstructed breasts have no feeling, so if your breasts are important to you sexually, that is something to consider.
3.My boobs are not perfectly matched now, but they weren't before, and wouldn't be with fake boobs either. I look fine in a bra & swimsuit, and since there is no chance that I will be asked to be a Playboy model, I am fine with that.
4. There is a slightly (very slightly) higher chance of a local recurrence. That would involve a mastectomy, not chemo. The chance of cancer spreading outside of the breast (which then would require chemo etc.) is exactly the same with either a mastectomy or a lumpectomy plus rads.
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I had a lumpectomy and still do not know if this was the right choice. I will find out my oncotype score this week, and will be meeting with the radiologist and oncologist to determine the next step in this process. Of course I am hoping that my oncotype score is low and then I will have to decide about radiation or a follow-up mastectomy.
Radiation scares the SHIT out of me. I'm the kind of person who refuses x-ray bitewings at the dentist, and now I am facing 50 Grays (or whatever it is called) of radiation in a 6 week period? Not only that, I have just started reading up on the side effects of radiation. It seems that the doctors kind of gloss over the side-effects....and from what I'm reading, they can be very serious. Serious lung infections (this can be ongoing after treatment since your white and red blood cells are messed up), broken / weakened ribs (not a good thing if you'll be taking the hormone inhibitors that weaken bone.... and not to mention that a broken bone could mean mets and the fear that might entail) and last but not least, scar tissue, lymphedema, and weakened muscles and tendons in your arm, chest and side!
Should I risk all those side effects from radiation...side effects that could last a life time...when I could opt for a mastectomy? Let me say that while my lumpectomy was not a walk in the park, I don't think it even comes close to the permanent side effects of radiation. I am 3 weeks out from my surgery, and while I still have some weird pains and numbness, I have to believe that most of it was from the axillary dissection and not from the lumpectomy itself. Yes, the drain was a big pain in the ass, but it was doable. My surgeon said that if I had chosen the mastectomy over the lumpectomy, the pain would have been about 10% more. That doesn't sound bad...considering that all I took was advil after the surgery. Do I still have pain? Yes, but it's very manageable, and like I said, I believe it is not from the lumpectomy itself.
Anyhow, I would love to hear from others who have completed the radiation treatment phase. Right now I am seriously leaning toward a mastectomy as my 'part two' of treatment. I want to be done with this...and while I know that I will never be truly 'done with it', I'd like to think that I can find some sort of normalcy after breast cancer that doesn't involve permanent life-long side-effects from radiation.
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I had a lumpectomy first with one lymph node taken. (DCIS was my diagnosis from the biopsy) There was no family history of cancer, so I chose to start conservatively. However, the lumpectomy was quite disfiguring to my breast, and I also was very worried about long term side effects of radiation, since it would be on the left side, close to my heart. The results from the lumpectomy and node biopsy were good - they felt confident they had gotten good margins, and the small amount of LCIS found, they believed radiation would take care of. I talked with the radiologist, oncologist, surgeon, plastic surgeon, and my primary doctor, and finally decided to do a nipple-sparing mastectomy with reconstruction. For me, there was a great sense of peace when I made that decision.
Pain-wise for me, I would say the pain of mastectomy was significantly greater than the lumpectomy, but I didn't have drains for the lumpectomy. And reconstruction with a tissue expander is not exactly an easy pain-free process, although I found it manageable. I am going to have another surgery in two weeks to adjust the reconstructed breast with a variety of procedures. I really didn't expect to have to go through anything else after the initial exchange in June, so that has been a little bit of a disappointment. However, for me, I still am very happy to have done what I did. I have two friends who did the lumpectomy with radiation and are equally happy they did what they chose. They both said the process was not disrupting of their life, had a little skin irritation and did get pretty tired near the end of the treatments.
Keep talking to people and your doctors, but in the end, it is your body, your future, your personal preference. There does not appear to be a "better" choice medically if you are being given the choice. When I started thinking about how I want to live my life rather than just focusing on how I was going to get rid of the cancer, it really helped me in the decision process. What would give me more freedom from worry and stress and provide a good physical self-image?
I know you were looking for feedback on the radiation process, but I just checked back in this forum and saw your post, so thought I'd give you a response with my process.
I hope you get a good result with the oncotype.
Robin -
Make the Journey YOURS!! It all is a hard call......I did not have to do Chemo or Rads or Tamx....but I went into this saying I would Never do that.....I just know my body....when I went to the Oncologist and that was only once......He said the Mastectomy was my Cure and would not suggest I do treatment....but he did call my gyno and they took my ovaries and Uterus..........I did have recon but it failed 8 weeks after.....NOT sure if I would of done it over.......my best...Liz -
Almost 7 years out. Zero SEs from radiation then or now.
* edited to add that knightzoo mentioned that she will be having radiation with either procedure
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PRB, I appreciate that you have a fear of radiation, but be careful to make your decision based on the real risks and not based on your fears. Yes, bad things can happen with rads, but that's not the experience of most women. Most women do not suffer any long term effects.
And while you are considering the risks and downsides and what can go wrong, keep in mind too that there are things that can happen with a MX. You mention that you have numbness 3 weeks after your lumpectomy, but as you point out, that's likely from the node removal and not the lumpectomy itself. I had underarm numbness for 6 months after my SNB (I had an SNB along with my MX). But a MX also leaves you with numbness - your chest (or reconstructed breast, should you choose reconstruction) will be permanently without anything but surface feeling. And weird pains? Yup, that can happen after a MX too. And muscle problems too if you have sub-muscular implants. Generally 30% - 40% of women who have reconstruction require revision surgery due to problems of one sort or another. And a small percentage of women experience permanent or long term issues. I haven't seen the stats on it, but I'd guess the percent of women who experience serious on-going problems after MX surgery is probably about the same as the percent who experience problems with rads. Or maybe more.
There is a belief that a MX surgery comes with few risks of side effects and that's just not true. So make sure that you fairly evaluate the risks from both treatments - rads or a MX - before you make your decision. -
Wow- lots of emotion in this thread- I had to take a little break reading it. I think because its so important and intensely personal- if we do something and someone else does something else did we do the "wrong" thing. I was diagnosed by bx with invasive ductal carcinoma- blessed with a fabulous health plan and team that gave me a ton of information including the published research on every possible option and said it was my choice to do any, all or none of it. For me, no treatment or purely alternative treatment was not something I would consider so I sat down and did what so many on this site have done, read the research, read your posts and listened to my heart. I went from my initial "just get it out of here" bilateral mastectomy with immediate reconstruction to my final decision of having sentinel node bx, needle localization and lumpectomy. My lymph nodes were normal and my margins were clear. I started radiation last week for 16 treatments- no boost. Oncotype score 13. I already have calcifications on the non-operative side and have had an aspiration bx there 3 years ago that was negative- As much as I brought this up not one physician (surgeon, medical oncologist, radiation oncologist, plastic surgeon) thought that should change my decision-making one way or the other.
This is not for or against any option this is my specific journey- The lumpectomy is still a partial mastectomy- I think its important to say that. I am a small-breasted woman and after they got done taking the mass and the area to ensure margins my breast is about half the size of the non-surgical side which was not that big to begin with.... The good news is my nipple is there and has feeling- the whole thing is not great to look at without clothes. With clothes I have to wear a bra with some padding to even things out.
I expect radiation to make the surgical breast even smaller. Radiation is a time-consuming, daily reminder that you have cancer. It has its own emotional punch and mine is left-sided so yes- I worry about heart & pulmonary side-effects. I can't compare it to chemo myself but my mom (Survivor lymphoma & esophageal CA) preferred radiation side-effects so again is personal. Radiation can only be done once so once you have had it, you won't have it again on that side even with recurrence.
I am at peace with my decision which is the most important thing and I have a treatment plan with a good prognosis- if "it" comes back- I will deal with those facts.
The lifemath.net site is kind of interesting to play around with and see the numbers based on your specific scenario. -
As I stated above, it is a personal decision. No matter what anyone on this thread has experienced, yours will be different. Read, educate yourself and talk to your doctors. Ask questions over and over again if you must. This is your choice, your body, your decision. YOUR JOURNEY!!! All the best with your decision. -
PRB, just remember its your body and your decision alone. You are the one who must be comfortable with what you choose. We are each different and therefore can react differently to rads, hormonal therapy and even chemo. As you have probably read by now and may have caused you even more confusion. No one can predict ahead of time what reaction our bodies will have to what we decide. I feel it really boils down to our gut feeling. Not saying that there won't be any second guessing after the fact, but that is only human nature. Just my humble opinion. -
PRB......NO ONE, on these Boards have seen your medical records.....that being said......your information is yours and only yours....YES...this is all so very personal and now is a very emotional time for you.........as others have said it is your gut feeling.....Liz -
It is good to hear why/how others made their decisions, to ask questions, to consult with medical personnel, to make informed choices of your own. But once you do; close the chapter, more forward. Whatever you choose is what was right for YOU at the time.
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ruthbru, thank you. I have been second guessing my decision. My surgery is 3 days away. I needed to hear, "Whatever you choose is what was right for you at the time." -
I agree with you Ruth...I'm just not sure I will ever be able to close the chapter ..no matter what I choose. I suppose this reflects a lot of how I lived my life....second guessing most things and wondering if there was a better path...never knowing if I did the right thing.
My life wasn't all that great before breast cancer, and it surely isn't looking any rosier afterwards. I truly envy people like you who are confident in their decision and know that it was the right choice at the right time. It seems the majority of people on this site have that mindset and I am in the minority.
I feel weak and vulnerable, and I'm not embarrassed to admit that many times I would love to just die and be done with it all. Of course, when I talk like that, my friends and family look at me like I am one crazy woman, and perhaps I am.
Anyhow, I still would like to hear from women who have finished radiation or who chose the mastectomy route. Are there women here who wish they had chosen the opposite of what they did? I sometimes feel like people are afraid to admit that here, and that's a shame. Lessons to be learned come from both sides of the equation. -
PRB, I had a 7mm tumor that was actually taken during biopsy. Spoke with my GYN and asked his opinion and he suggested BMX as that is the route his wife chose with tissue expanders. Her diagnosis and biopsy was exactly the same as my experience. I was prepared for that and my BS suggested a lumpectomy. I needed further testing for another suspicious area, which was a nightmare due to the first radiologist walking out of a stereotactic biopsy and then having to have it done by MRI causing a very large hematoma. Thankfully I received a negative report. I found my oncologist that I had an pre-op appointment dismissive and trite and was ready to check out another one when I just said to myself do I really want to put myself through this again. The answer for me was no. As to the pain from a BMX, I had very minimal and only used one pain pill. Was going to go back to work after the first week but still found myself wanting naps throughout the day so went back after two weeks. Basically, I had no restrictions other than being careful lifting things. I told my surgeon that the discharge nurse told me not to raise my arms above a certain height and he commented how was she expecting you to wash your hair. I told him I felt the same way and I didn't want frozen shoulders so I would raise my arms each day until I had some resistance and would try to raise them higher each day after that being careful not to overdo it. Just mentioned the last to let you know we all react differently as I believe someone mentioned a lot of pain after BMX. -
Oh PRB, your post makes me sad. The way to close the chapter is to open a new one. None of us would have ever picked to have this happen, but you can MAKE positive things happen because of it. If there are things you have been involved with & don't enjoy anymore, use this as an excuse to get out of them. If there are things you've always wanted to do, but have put off.....do them; whether it is joining a Book Club, a choir, taking painting lessons, learning Chinese, going on your dream..... whatever. Be nice to yourself; get a facial, go out for lunch with friends, buy that really cute, age-inappropriate outfit & wear it because who the hell cares what anyone thinks! And really appreciate all the little blessings that happen every day; the sunrise, lilacs in bloom, playing board games with your family, whatever is good; find and enjoy these things. Opps, sorry, I will get off my soap-box. Best wishes to all.
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I have just been dx with idc.i saw my bs for the first time last week . I basically had two options. First off let me say there is know saving my aerola or nipple . I can do chemo and try and shrink the mass and have a lumpectomy with rads or mx. Either way I will lose my nipple so I chose mx. Sometimes I wonder if this is what I should do. My right breast where the cancer is has shrunk from a d cup to a b cup so already a big difference before surgery. My nipple and aerola looked so deformed so I figure a mx is probably the best way to go. I'm not a candidate for immediate reconstruction due to high risk for infection so that conversation hasn't really been addressed. Has anyone been in my situation ? If so what was your choices and outcome.
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