Afraid I may have IBC after mastectomy for ILC
I was diagnosed in January 2012 with Invasive Lobular Carcinoma. Actually, I was first diagnosed with IDC, but after surgery it was discovered that it was lobular, not ductal. Although I tested negative for BRCA 1 and 2, my genetic counselor and oncologist believe that it's genetic, because almost every woman for at least 3 generations in my dad's family has had breast cancer, including 2 of his 3 sister and 2 of his 3 daughters. Also strong history of colon, uterus and pancreatic cancer within the last 3 generations. I didn't have further genetic testing after testing for BRCA, because cancer had already been diagnosed and course of treatment wouldn't change.
After my diagnosis I had a bilateral mastectomy followed by chemo. I am now on Tamoxifen, even though I'm post menopausal. The side effects from Anastrozole became so unbearable that my oncologist switched me to Tamoxifen. The plan is for me to on this for 2 years, then switch back to Anastrozole for 3 years.
For the past week or so, my right breast (not the side that the cancer was on) has been itching. Not too bad at first, but today it's driving me crazy. No redness at first, no fever.
Today it's been so bad I keep grabbing my chest. It's not the skin that feels itchy. It feels like it's under the skin. And it's red, although not really bright red.
Tonight I looked at that area in the mirror, and there are several (about 10) very deep ridges. It looks similar to when I had cellulitis and staph infection after the mastecomy, except the ridges are much deeper. It wasn't that way earlier this afternoon. I took my temperature, and it was 97.8, so no fever.
I've taken everything in stride since my diagnosis last year. No panic, didn't let the surgery or chemo stress me out, even through many side effects.
But tonight I'm trying not to freak out. These symptoms have gotten so much worse, so fast. Especially today. The itching is unbearable (but no rash), and the ridges are huge.
I really want to see a doctor right now, this very minute. Monday seems so far away. It didn't seem nearly this urgent when I found a lump and was diagnosed last year. Of course I was distracted then because I was out of state taking care of my younger sister during her chemo.
Ugh. I'm just not a worrier by nature. This feeling is awful, I'm used to being very even keeled.
Why can't my cancer center be open 24/7?
Denise
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Also, there is some pain. It's not a sharp pain, more of a constant ache. I know that IBC symptoms worsen quickly, and I feel like just going to the ER and telling them to figure this out immediately. I know that's not reasonable, and I won't go. But dang, I never freak out. I don't feel like I'll be able to sleep tonight. -
You should go to the ER because certain things like the Lymphoma if caught early are easier to treat. I don't know too much myself as I was recently diagnosed and I am still reading, researching and learning. Good Luck! -
Hi Denise,
I am sorry you are going through this. I had a similar situation on my bad side a few months ago. Mine looked like a big mosquito bite, inflamed and red. It was not itching but I was very scared because I have read that sometimes a reoccurrence looks like a mosquito bite. I called my breast surgeon and of course there were no openings for me. The nurse asked me to send a photo by my smart phone so she can show it to the doctor. May be you can do the same thing if your breast surgeon returns calls after you contact the answering service. Also, the nurse told me they usually prescribe an antibiotic first to see if it clears up before jumping the gun. If yours case is getting worse in a short period of time, may be they act differently. I hope this helps. -
Thank you both for responding. I'll wait until Monday, and the call my oncologist. He'll tell me whether to start by seeing him, or if I should see someone else. If I call and talk to his nurse, she'll talk to him and he's very good about getting back to me right away.
So until Monday, I'll wait kind of nervously. I'm not freaking out like I was last night. Nothing has changed, so at least it doesn't look any worse. Just still deep ridges, itching and redness. Oh yeah, there has been more pain today. I almost forgot that because I took two Norco. I take it three times a day for severe osteoarthritis. Pain in the right side of my chest and pretty bad pain in my right shoulder blade. I don't know if the pain in my shoulder blade is related, but since I've never had pain there, I think it may be.
Denise -
Does not sound like IBC at all BUT does sound like you need to be seen by a Dr ASAP especially when you have dealt witj cellulitis on the surgery side.
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dreniger--Could it possibly be shingles? After chemo, the body is immune-compromised and prone to things like shingles. Just a thought, and I'm no MD, but ask about it. It does cause skin changes and pain. -
I went to the ER today. I have more ridges today than yesterday, pain across my back, in my shoulder blades, which is an ache not a sharp pain. The area on my chest that has the deep ridges continues to itch and has a red area that's about 5" in diameter.
Chest x-ray and blood work were fine. They called my oncologist, and he wants me to call my breast surgeon tomorrow to schedule a punch biopsy. He also was concerned about the possibility of IBC.
I'll call her first thing in the morning, and she's usually really good about getting me in quickly.
My dad and sister have both had shingles. This doesn't sound like what they had at all, and the ER doctor doesn't believe it's an infection. They did give me a strong anti-inflammatory through IV.
My cancer was in the left breast. Cellulitis was on the right. Mastectomy was bilateral, so both sides were surgical. I still haven't had a fever at all, and my white count today was normal, so they don't believe I have any type of infection.
Hopefully I'll know more within a couple of days. -
Hi dreniger, so sorry to hear that they are thinking along the same lines as you are. Be thinking of you and praying for you! Keep us posted. -
I'm glad you mentioned shingles. I don't think that's what this is, but I did have chicken pox as a child, and know that I could get shingles. My family members who have had it have said it's really miserable.
So you reminded me that I really need to get the shingles vaccination. Shingles is the last thing I need, and with a compromised immune system, we need to think ahead.
Thanks!
Denise -
Denise,
Good luck tomorrow. It is a good thing you went to ER because in a regular doctors office the blood result takes longer. I just hope it is not IBC. Take care. -
I would say that I'm livid, but that would be a huge understatement. I can't think of a word for how I feel. This will probably be long, but I have to get it out.
I called my breast surgeon as soon as her office opened this morning. Her nurse said she would talk to my surgeon and get back to me. I explained the ridges and puckering, itching, redness, pain. Also told her that the ER doctor said I had to follow up with my surgeon today, and that they called my oncologist and he said I needed to have a punch biopsy.
When the nurse called me back, she said that my surgeon said she is not worried at all, and that I was already scheduled to see her on December 31.
I told the nurse that I was very concerned, because of what the ER doctor and my oncologist had recommended, and that I really want the biopsy, even if my surgeon doesn't see first.
The nurse talked to my surgeon and called me back again. She said that they were sorry my oncologist had said that I needed a biopsy, and that he shouldn't have said that without saying me. I reminded her that my surgeon is saying not to worry, also without seeing me.
I asked why I was told to watch for specific signs, but when I see those signs and call the office, they say it's nothing to worry about. Without even seeing me. She said that my surgeon explained that puckering and redness are common after surgery, and I reminded her that my mastectomy was almost 2 years ago, and these symptoms just began appearing on Friday night. There have been changes every day.
So - she talked to my surgeon again, and called me back one more time. My surgeon is willing to let me see her nurse practitioner on 11/25. No exam by my surgeon, no biopsy. There is another breast surgeon in the practice, but my surgeon is the director of the comprehensive breast program at the cancer center, so the other surgeon works for her. I did ask if I could see the other surgeon, and was told she has no openings until March.
Some background. When I was initially diagnosed, I told my surgeon I wanted to have a bilateral mastectomy. She was against it, and said that risk of recurrence is the same with lumpectomy as with mastectomy. Then I told her I did not want reconstruction. She was very upset, and said that women who don't have reconstructive surgery do not have good quality of life. I wouldn't even be able to go to the beach! Apparently she thinks women are shallow creatures.
A week after my mastectomy, I had a fever and pain in the incision. I called her office because the fever was 101.7. I had been told to call if I had a fever higher than 100.5. She said it was nothing to worry about.
I called again a couple days later because my fever was higher and the pain was worse. After calling a few more times over the course of two weeks, my husband called one night to say that the area was very red, very hot and my temp was almost 104. My surgeon said that she would call in a prescription for pain reliever and antibiotics, that I didn't need to go to the ER
I went to the ER anyhow, and was diagnosed with cellulitis and a staph infection in the mastectomy incision. When the ER doctor called my surgeon, she said not to admit me. Fortunately, he told me to say the word and he would admit me despite her advice. I told him I would not go home until I was treated satisfactorily. So he admitted me and started me on IV antiobiotics and Dilaudid.
My surgeon visited me the next day, and said I hadn't needed to be admitted, she could have prescribed these same antibiotics at home. After she left, I asked the hospital nurse if these antibiotics could have been taken orally, at home. She said that they could not. I was on superantibiotics, which can only be administered through IV.
On day two, my surgeon visited again, and discussed the infection in my incision. She said one option would be to open the incision and clean out the infection, but it didn't look that bad. She asked me what she should do. I told that she was the doctor and SHE should be telling ME what I should do. She just looked at my husband like she was waiting for an answer from him. He said to open the incision and clean the infection out.
I ended up having a pocket of infection that was 2" wide and 3" deep. I was in the hospital for 3 days, and had a visiting nurse visit my home for 3 weeks. The incision had to be left open, and packed with saline soaked gauze twice a day, which I couldn't do myself. I was just a few weeks out from the mastectomy.
After all of this, I planned to find a new surgeon, but the cancer center I go to is really very good, I love my oncologist who practices there, the nurses in the infusion were awesome during my months of chemo.
So now - I have to decide about finding another surgeon, which obviously I should have done nearly 2 years ago. That means leaving this cancer center, finding a new oncologist, new everything.
I'm so frustrated I could scream. And I still don't have an appointment to be seen until the 25th with her nurse practitioner., and she refuses to do a biopsy.
Apparently I'm a difficult patient because I chose to have a mastectomy against my surgeon's advice, I chose no reconstruction against my surgeon's advice, and I chose to go to the ER against my surgeon's advice.
I'm 57, strong and confident, and don't need boobs to have adequate quality of life. Too bad that doesn't sit well with her.
Okay, I think my rant is over. I'll let you know if it turns out otherwise.
Denise -
Denise,
I think you need to find another breast surgeon. When I had a problem with my left breast, they did not have an opening for me either. I had to send a picture to the nurse practioner. I went and showed it to my oncologist that day. I can only see the breast surgeon once a year and that is scheduled. I have to see the nurse practioner every 3 months. I canceled my last appointment with her because I did not have any problems. I would call around and see if you can make an appointment with another breast surgeon. -
Find a new surgeon!!
Call your oncologist and ask if he/she will remain your oncologist if you change surgeons. I can't imagine why that would have to change. But that surgeon is horrible!! I can't believe he or she hasn't been sued for malpractice numerous times with an attitude like that!! While I don't understand how your center works and why it's so insular that there aren't dozens of doctors affiliated with them, if your oncologist is going to boot you, perhaps he/she could help you find a new oncologist? I know mine told me that if she isn't on my new insurance, she will help me find someone who is that she trusts.
Meanwhile, if you can't get in to see a breast surgeon immediately, can you get in to see a dermatologist? If nothing else, they can do a biopsy for you - and maybe you have some sort of skin thing going on that they can fix. Either way, it's a shortcut to a biopsy.
Wow...your surgeon wins the award for the worst bedside manner ever..that's crazy!!
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Hi Denise, it is absolutely incredible that you had to deal with this stress on top of a very difficult and painful weekend. I'm sure you didn't just rush to the ER. You waited until you absolutely had to go. The ER doc took you seriously. The oncologist took you seriously. You can't be diagnosed without being seen. If it's really nothing, let her say that after looking at you.
Yes, unfortunately, you need a new surgeon. You have justifiably lost faith in this one.
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