Starting Chemo, November 2013 Group
UPDATE, 12/16/13: Our friendships have grown on this thread over the last couple of months as we have shared victories and disasters, reassurances and worries and so much more. Some of us will head for radiation or other treatments in a few weeks, some are still waiting to start chemo. We have no desire to part ways as our treatments & lives change!
We want to welcome all to stay with us on this journey, and to share whatever treatment you are in -- and what stage. We may eventually develop some other venues as well, but in the meantime, we hope to stay around for however long there is someone who wants to talk about their experience. -- Ellen
Don't think I have seen a thread yet for November. Technically, I start Cytoxin/Taxotere this Tuesday, 10/29, but I figure I will be more in sync with the November group. Four cycles, 3 week intervals. This is my second time around for cancer; thought I was in the clear after 7.5 years, but not so much.So who else is getting started?
Ellen
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Starting 11/13 Adriamycin/Cytoxan/Taxol dose dense, it will take 16 weeks. I'm 37, BRCA1 positive, 18 tumors in one breast, I only had sentinel node dissection and 1 node had 2 micrometastases. I had an option for shorter treatment but I am really freaked out by the number of tumors and having grade 3 and something going on in lymph nodes. Had my first oncologist visit today, the place is pretty depressing, but hospitals in general are. Have to take my whole family in for flu shots for the first time, we did not used to believe in flu shots, kids will not be happy. I guess the bright side is that it's happening in the winter and hopefully I'll be better by the summer. -
I just wanted to drop in and wish all of you who are starting chemo this month the best of wishes - I hope you all have very gentle side effect.
I had my first chemo in November 3 years ago. I know how you are all feeling, and want to give you encouragement. Chemo is horrible, but it's doable. I was so scared when I first started, there's nothing to be frightened of with the actual infusions. They are quite boring actually lol.
Make sure you drink lots and lots of water - keeping hydrated is the key to making sure you don't feel really horrible. Take any medication you are given, whether you think you need them or not. It's far easier to stop nausea before it starts than to try to stop it once it's underway. I never threw up once. I did feel queasy at times, but that was all.
For those of you doing Taxotere, some of you will have harder side effects than others. I could only finish two out of three treatments and it really didn't agree with me. If you are having severe side effects, then talk to your onc, and they may lower the dose.
What to eat after chemo? It depends on you. If you are a tea or coffee drinker and it tastes horrible - don't force it, you may end up with a life long aversion to it! I had three rounds of FEC and the taste changes weren't too bad on that, not nice, but hot really bad. I sucked jelly beans (not really sure what you call them in the US) they are pretty much pure glucose. On Taxotere I had extreme taste changes and everything tasted like mud :-( One thing I could eat was a high end chocolate ice cream, half a teaspoon now and then.
If you tend to be constipated - then make sure you take something to keep you moving. I had the opposite problem with the big D. Very bad. On Taxotere I used baby wipes to help ease the pain when wiping, and also used a baby nappy rash cream to help with the pain as well - worked a treat!
I don't want to scare you - some of you will have no serious side effects at all - some of you will find chemo is quite as gentle. Hopefully the sentence above will help those who need it.
You will feel very tired - and that's cumulative, so listen to your body and don't do too much. You'll need to sleep and rest more. If you are given steroids then you'll probably get a steroid rush, that's great! Lol you'll get lots done, but then you may crash, if that happens your onc can give you slightly more tablets so you can come off them at a slower pace to avoid the crash. Also the steroids can stop you sleeping properly - especially at night. I remember after my first treatment waking up at 2.00am and being wide awake, until around 7.00am when I finally crashed lol. Steroids and chemo can also mess with your head, so be aware you may get very depressed and cry a lot. Cry and vent when you need to. Coming onto these boards and venting is an absolute lifesaver. The sisters here know exactly how you feel and empathise with you in a way no-one else can.
You will probably lose your hair - not everyone does, but most do. It's strangely liberating to be bald. I got by with hats mainly, but went topless at home. Saved a fortune on haircuts lol.
For those of you that will also be doing Herceptin - it is sooooo much easier than chemo. I did 17 treatments over 12 months. I had not trouble at all during the first 75%, and then started to gradually feel more tired towards the end. It's really an easy treatment.
I'm now three years down the track and doing really well. Life is good, life is almost normal and definitely worth living.
My love to you all and sending ((((hugs)))) to you all.
Trish
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thanks Trisha-Anne for the encouraging words!
I will be staring chemo as soon as my insurance approves Perjeta along with TCH.
My treatment has been delayed because of a nasty case of cellulitis. The docs were perplexed that it happened and said it was unusual to get it so long after the biopsy (4+ weeks). While waiting for this infection to clear, we noticed a swollen lymph node that wasn't swollen before. Biopsy came back positive. I can't help but wonder if the delay caused by the infection gave the cancer time to spread. Now instead of surgery first, I will do chemo first.
The infection also caused some concern that it might be IBC since some of the symptoms still haven't gone away. But the skin biopsy results came back today negative!!!
Good luck and cheers to the November chemo club! -
So good to see this thread getting going!
I had my first chemo session on Tuesday, and am doing fine. The only side effects so far are headaches (probably from the steroids taken day before and day of the chemo, pretty well controlled with acetominiphin) and the beginnings of constipation and very little appetite. However, I am cautious on my optimism, as I am told that with the Cytoxen/taxotere, it is the second week of the three week cycle that is where things bottom out.
I seem to be in that wired/high energy phase with the steroids. I have always been bad about exercising, but in two sessions yesterday walked 5 miles. We'll see how long that sort of thing lasts!
Could be that I will be b*tching and moaning by next week, but for now, some encouragement that chemo isn't always immediately horrendous.
Ellen -
Hi all, and thanks Ellen for starting the November thread!
Just stopping in to provide some more helpful links, starting with the main Breastcancer.org site's section on Chemotherapy, including what to expect, types of chemo meds, and side effect management.
There are some really helpful key threads here in the Chemo forum too!
Great tips and practical advice on the following discussion board threads:- Tips for getting through chemotherapy
- More Tips (and a Shopping List) for Getting Through Chemo
- PORT PLACEMENT: Detailed description of process
- Head Covering Options for Hair Loss
- wig advice
- Cold Cap Users Past and Present, to Save Hair
Also, Last Month's Chemo thread might be informative!
Hope you find this helpful!
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Wow Ellen, hats off to you for walking 5 miles. You got me beat on that. I just rejoined the gym again and it takes me 1 hour just to do 3 miles. I hope I will get more stamina before the treatment starts and that I will be able to keep up with the exercise. I'm pretty sure exercise should help with the constipation also. -
Hi Ladies,
First time on this board. I was on the October board and had an infection on my surgery site so was delayed. I thought I would pop over to see the ladies on the November board.
I meet with MO on Tuesday and I am sure we will start the planning. I still have to have the port inserted so I am sure that will be first.
I have TNBC and will be on A/C for 4 cycles 2 months and then Taxol for 3 months. Still a bit anxious about the whole thing and first tx of course.
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Welcome Spiritblessing! Sorry to hear about the infection. Dose dense means that treatments will be every 2 weeks rather than the "normal" 3 weeks. The benefit would be that you get the treatments and side effects over sooner. However you may need the neulasta shot in order to tolerate the treatments so close apart. I also read somewhere that 30% people on dose dense have to have the doses reduced for one reason or another.
I still wonder why I did not get the port. I hope my veins can take it.
At my first oncologist appointment I saw a young woman, I think she was getting her first treatment because they shuffled her between the infusion area and the appointment area. She looked like a deer in the headlights. That will be us in just a short time. Can't wait to start killing the cancer! -
Welcome to all who have joined us! Well, my steroid high started wearing off on Thursday (Day 3) and I slept much of Friday.
I never seem to fit into the norms, and this is no exception. I haven't had any nausea. No desire to eat -- but that was already true while my husband was sick and after he passed. But the real difference is that instead of nausea, I've had bone and joint pain -- intense at times. Friday night, it was severe in my spine and piercing through to the front, scaring me that it could be a heart attach. Two aspirin and heating pad later it did calm down some, but for much of the weekend I felt like someone had tightened steel bands around my torso.
Amazingly, my Med Onco called in person on Sunday and ordered some pain meds! Pain is decreasing now, not energetic but not exhausted, and hanging in there. Who knows what new adventures each day will bring.
Ellen -
Ellen - I hope you get relief from the pain. It seems you have a very caring oncologist. It must be extra hard to deal with BC after loss of a loved one. I hope the weather is nice where you are and you are able to go for a walk again once you get your strength back. Maybe fresh air will get your appetite back too. -
You have inspired me and given me hope. I am to start in 1 week . I just completed bilat. mastectomy and expanders and then had them exchanged after 5 weeks to implants last Thursday. I am nervous as some 'cysts' on my liver but hoping they are just that. VERY scared of chemo. and the effects. You seem so perky and dealing with it all wonderfully. I am sorry for your loss of your husband. You are amazing to walk and go through this alone. I have had a very hard day and just my mind worrying and nausea and all from the questionable cysts on scans...I saw one oncologist and he ordered the tests then saw another closer to home and he went over tests said all negative except couple little cysts, acted like no big deal. Got home and the 1st oncologist I saw called and said I need MRI of liver now..I am trying to go with the guy closer to home that said no big deal, but worried other guy might see something else on same report?
Trying to trust in God and have faith and know it is in His hands and will be O.K.=
But I just loved your words!
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I get my port placed tomorrow by our surgeon and then meet with my cancer doctor to find out what type of chemo I will be starting next Monday, November 11th. Looks like I will get one treatment a week? Does anyone know what type is given weekly? Nervous about the side effects as I need to continue working through treatment so I can afford my insurance premiums.
Trying to stay strong and positive!
Pamela -
Hi to all,
This is my 1st post and have lurked for several weeks. I got my chemo port last week and I am starting chemo TC on Thursday 11/7, definitely am a little anxious about it. The treatments will be every 3 weeks. I have read everything I can and even going to a chemo class that my infusion center sponsors on Wednesday. I look forward to our November group to help us all keep going. Also will get PET scan results on the 7th and praying nothing lights up.
Ellen, hope your pain subsides ASAP. Use the pain meds for sure. -
Waiting for axillary dissection to heal. Will then have port placement. Expect to start A-C/Taxol dose dense and Neulasta for 16 weeks on 11/19. I'm sure there's never a good time to start this, but I do hate that treatment will be during the holidays.
Kathy -
Ellen, I'm sorry for the loss of your husband. It must be so hard. Thank you for starting the thread.
Hello to everyone starting this month. I am scheduled to start nov 25th if all goes well with a post op infection i developed. I had a large hematoma and it was infected and created a sinus to the surface and broke through the incision from my MX. I am triple neg so was supposed to start chemo sooner but the wound is still open and the surgeon said it won't heal on chemo. It will be 10 days past my 3 months post op day when i start chemo.
I am grateful to everyone who is sharing their experiences with us. I M part of the October group because I was supposed to start then and the brave women there inspire me to keep soldiering on. Hoping for the best for all of us. -
Wow, stumbled on this website looking for a place to air my concerns and get advice from real people. Looks like I found the perfect spot.
I start chemo Nov. 14th. 4 treatments, 3 wks apart with Taxotere and Cytoxin. I will have the port placed on Nov. 12th.
My current concern is telling the people I work with about my situation. I work closely with 1 woman who I've been telling everything to from the first mammogram. Last night I told 3 others that are on my team who work at different locations but would probably be contacted by people in my location when I show up in a wig. Didn't want them to feel left out of the loop.
I have a real aversion to being the subject of gossip. I'd much rather someone ask me directly than feel like I'm being whispered about in the halls. The problem is that most of the people I see every day I don't work with. We just happen to sit in the same area. Most of the conversations are at the coffee machine about the weather, sports team or kids.
Telling these people about the situation is my way of avoiding the awkwardness that will come the first day I walk in looking like a cancer patient. I want to spare them and me the embarrassment of being caught unaware. I'm thinking about sending an email the week of my 1st chemo so that will give them some time to talk to me or ask questions while I still look healthy.
I would appreciate any suggestions or experiences on this issue. -
Northwinds - You might be getting Taxol. And the benefit of getting it every week is that they can give you smaller dose which gives you less side effects. So there is a very good chance that you can keep working. Getting it once a week is just as effective as getting the dose dense bi-weekly. -
hi, ladies. I have my second appointment with my MO today and I will be starting my AC treatments next week. Mine are every other week then I will have taxol. I have been reading the posts on the October chemo group, and they have been very helpful. These ladies have already experienced side effects and have suggestions on how to get through them. They also suggest some items we may want to have on hand during this time, such as anti bacterial wipes, biotene for dry mouth, thermometer to keep track of temp and many others. While I am not looking forward to what is about to happen, (I am still in a bit of shock) I look forward to keeping in touch with you throughout the process. Best of luck and prayers. -
pompom21 I can appreciate your concerns about telling people at work. I am a very private person and found it very difficult to share. I told my boss, my immediate team and a couple of co-workers who would need to help with my workload on the days I was out. I figured others would learn eventually, and let go of that stress.
Unfortunately a bad infection landed me in the hospital, and between that recovery and all the procedures, I have been out of work almost 2 months! The cats out of the bag, and now everyone at work knows. It is a relief not to worry about sharing the news anymore.
I had my port placement today and I am shocked at how much pain I am in. Anyone else have issues? I start chemo 11/12, hope I am feeling better by then! -
To the ladies who are starting Chemo this month you may find the following tread useful :
Topic: More Tips (and a Shopping List ) for getting through Chemo
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Hi. I have not started my chemo yet, but will later in the month. I do have a question about what to ask my mo about help with side effects. When I mention the side effects that may happen, it seems to be dismissed with "if you want to live". The same to be true with side effects mentioned with the ai therapy. Any specific I could ask, so I can get some answers. Thank you. -
I don't think I have seen this posted as one of the resources for chemo side effects: Ayr. It is an over-the-counter ointment for the inside of the nose to address dryness. I haven't had a bloody nose yet, but lots of clots when I blow my nose, and increasing itching.
I had my nose reamed out a year ago because of daily sinus headaches -- which the procedure thankfully relieved. The ENT recommended Ayr (I got mine from Walgreens), and also prescribed a heftier prescription version right after I had the procedure. So if this gets to be a real hassle, a good thing to talk to primary care or oncology doc about.
Ellen -
Thank you for the reminder of Ayr gel Ellen. It is often used by cpap users for sores on the nose from masks. I wouldn't have thought of it for chemo side effects but am going to use it. -
Starting tomorrow at 9am.4 rounds 3 weeks apart.
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I will start my 2nd TC this Friday. I had a very tough one for my first round. My MO reduced T, steroids and anti-nausea medicine. I will see if this round works well. Good luck to all of you. -
My 1st round is tomorrow 9am too. Taking dexamethasome today twice, tomorrow and Friday. Had the energy of a two year old...lol. Hoping and praying for mild SE. (But prepared for the worst).
Plumbread hope your second round goes much better. :-) -
Wishing all of those sitting in the Big Girl Chair (aka BGC) easy times and minimal side effects. I did 6 rounds of Cytoxan/Taxotere regimen and can say it that this chemo regimen is doable. I also participated in the Herceptin B-47 clinical trial and was randomized to receive the Herceptin. If you are wondering how you may feel after having this regimen, I'm hoping that each of you feel as good as I felt. I had my chemo/Herceptin infusions on Tuesdays and felt fine Wednesday and Thursday. Friday is when I would feel the downhill slide and retreated to the bed or couch through the weekend. By Monday, I was feeling fine and beginning the nadir period around day 10 post chemo round. As you all know, the nadir period is when your white cell blood counts are at their lowest point and when one is most susceptible to infection. That does not mean that you need to hide in your house and do nothing. I went out to dinner and went shopping whenever I felt well enough to go. I tried to avoid crowded places and sick people and did elbow bumps when people wanted to hug me or shake my hand. During the Taxotere infusion of the chemo round, with the approval of onco, I iced my fingernails and toe nails for 1 1/2 hours (15 minutes before the infusion, 1 hour during the infusion and 15 minutes after the infusion). I used Sally Hansen Hard As Nails clear nail polish or Essie nail polish on my nails to help keep them strong at the suggestion of my onco. Be easy on your finger nails and use rubber gloves when washing dishes/cleaning around the house and learn to not use your nails as tools for opening cardboard boxes and removing staples. I drank icy cold water and sucked on ice to help minimize mouth sores. I also would rinsed my mouth out several times a day with a solution of 1/4 teaspoon baking soda + 1/4 teaspoon salt + 1 cup of warm water that I made fresh every time I rinsed.
As for trying to figure out what to eat, I used two books-- Eating Well Through Cancer by Holly Clegg and Gerald Miletello, MD and the Cancer Fighting Kitchen by Rebecca Katz. Both books had great recipes and information about side effect management. I also kept a daily food diary and drug diary so I would eat on a schedule and remember to take my meds. The food diary was also helpful so I could figure out what foods worked best for me. I ate 5-6 small meals so that my tummy was never empty but not totally full. This may help prevent the nausea. I also knew when my taste buds would go on vacation and food just didn't taste great. If you have favorite foods and you want to keep them as your favorites, try not to eat them while your taste buds are on the fritz. I know that there will be times that food just taste blah. Just have to remember that you are eating to nourish your body and provide nutrients to help heal your body rather than eating for comfort. If you are given pre-chemo drug prescriptions, make sure you take them with plenty of water and with food. Those drugs can cause nausea if taken on an empty stomach. I also had a calendar by the month so I could write down how I felt everyday. As you can tell, there are many things within your control while you are in chemoland.
I know that this is a lot of information to digest and there is a huge learning curve. Just keep breathing and stay calm. You are not self administering the chemo and you will not be left alone during your infusion. If you have questions, post them or private message me. Happy to help you.... many have travelled this way before you and are here to support and help you. HUGS to each of you!!!!
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Melrose, thanks so much for letting us benefit from your experience and for the words of encouragement. It is very very helpful. -
Port placed yesterday, shoulder area is very sore yet. Chemo starts next Wednesday. AC/T. 4 rounds of the AC combo every two weeks, then the Taxol once a week for 6 weeks. Will get the Neulasta ? Shot the day after each treatment. I think the AC is a dense dose? -
Thank you so much Mel. copied and pasted. This was really helpful and I appreciate you taking the time to help.
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