September 2013 Chemo Group
Comments
-
At least with pregnancy there is almost always a positive outcome. My two were very positive. :-)
I'm starting to define 'chemo brain'. I have made more mistakes at work in the last few weeks than I've made in a dozen years. Hard to focus. Hard to read without being dyslexic (I've never been dyslexic, but seems like now I can't tell the difference between a "d" and a "b" or read with comprehension). My friends at work have been wonderful. But I know it is hard on them when they can't count on me and I'm gone 30% of the time.
Grateful for my many blessings. Can't wait for this road to be behind us. -
Am thankful that every time I bring up the diet/exercise thing, my MO says, "We'll deal with that after chemo." Have decided that that will be a good time to repair "the city of destruction"! -
Nicole: Ugh!!! Sounds like it's all about the "big I, little YOU". That is what I say about my sister anyway.
KJ: I am having big issues reading too. One week I couldn't even read my assigned homework, but fortunately my instructor does narrated powerpoints that cover most of the material. I think Microbiology was a bad choice to take this semester. I just got back from class and she was talking about all that we need to study for our test next week. I didn't even know what half of what she was talking about was, let alone do I know the material. My brain may explode before the week is over.
LHL: I am glad that your side effects are much better with the Taxol! I hope that the pukiness stays at bay for you.
I am STILL hurting from the Neulasta and this is day 11. A good note is my muscle fatigue seems a bit better with the L-Glutamine (thanks SpecialK), I think and it is helping the neuropathy too. My numbers are back up in the acceptable range. Oh as as far as the fasting issue goes my ALT test that measures tissue damage was more than double the high range again, which it was the first time as well (no fasting). When I fasted, it was within normal range. I think that is proof alone that the fasting is doing some good. I guess we will see with the next round.
I am glad I am not the only one that is not doing great about diet and exercise. I guess that is more of the whole "one day at a time" thing. -
Kj I don't know how you and the others continue to work at this time so don't be hard on yourself. Thanks for starting the vent because i would like to jump in too.
Yes the road does seem long and never ending and we are never going to be the same again. At a BC conference that I attended recently, the speaker said that we should punch the next person who tells us to be positive!
In the meantime, the days are going so very slowly but at least, I am getting through some of the jobs that I have always wanted to do around the house like filing and going through junk.
Sometimes despite all the support and help from family/friends, it feels like we are all alone.No one but those who are going through this, like you wonderful people, really understands the experience we are facing, the fears, the side effects...bad shit crazy...I like that! -
martie-OMG the "city of destruction". I literally laughed out loud this morning reading that. Great description. Truly. I feel like the body I'm living in isn't even my own. My metabolism is in the trash can, everything I eat turns instantly to belly fat and can feel my muscles just leaving the building. I tried to lift a simple weights circuit with 5 lb dumbbells after infusion #2 and was sore for 5 days. *(thanks chemo) And Viji yes I'd like to punch some people in the face too. A lot.
As for chemo brain I thought I was being spared but yesterday I walked the mile to my yoga studio an HOUR too early to teach class. Got there and assumed my clock was wrong. Nope. Then proceeded to teach class and call body parts all the wrong names ..like I couldn't even figure out the word for elbow. Bless my students, they are great about listening and not needing me to demonstrate things. I find I have to sit most of class and just talk or else I get too light headed standing up and if I don't sit down? I'll end up falling down. Luckily I have 5 personal training clients that have stuck with me each week so that I can keep paying my studio rent and bills.
In other news I have found a bit of a silver lining about rads when they start in January. The brand new health and fitness facility at the hospital complex where I have treatment is offering either free or reduced memberships for breast cancer patients (heard this through the grapevine but have to verify thru the support group, and even if I have to pay full price I don't care) but this will give me a chance to make the 22 mile one way drive for rads Monday thru Friday for 6 weeks a FUN thing and something I can look forward to. I will schedule a workout time before rads, shower there and then go across the street for rads for the 6.5+ weeks. Looking forward to repairing my "city of destruction". -
Yes kudos to all of you working and also exercising! My legs are sooo sore today and the only thing I can think of that I did was walk to an adjacent building at class last night with a classmate because she wanted some chips and the vending machine was down in the building we were in. Seriously? Hopefully the Glusamine will help take some of that away. I couldn't imagine walking extensively everyday. I am greatful for this board too. I think everyone in my life is getting sick of hearing about anything bad at all - even though I don't complain about a small fraction of all that is going on. -
Anyone having swelling in the feet and ankles? Mine was just towards the end of the day but they are swollen already today, and swollen enough that my sock left an imprint on them. -
mamastewart - Taxotere can cause this, and also the steroids if you are taking them. I had so much swelling that I could not put my shoes on and my MO put me on a diuretic after tx #3. That said, it is important to notify your MO about this because it can also be a sign of CHF from the Herceptin, so it is important to inform them. -
Feeling tired today. Had taxotere on Monday. Hoping my braces don't cut my gums since my mouth feels a bit dry. Hope everyone is doing good.
-
Mother issues- my mother was diagnosed a month after me. She had a lumpectomy and now doing rads. She tries to keep me upbeat, but I don't think she understands how bad chemo makes us feel.
-
You Gals are great! I find it so helpful to read your posts and also always get a lift & a laugh!
Today is the first day in a full week that I feel *normal*. (not weak, achey, tired & felt I could drive etc) That chemo & Neulasta shot last week knocked me for a loop. Next week is my last A&C & Neulasta (then on to weekly Taxol for 3 months....) Oh & Herceptin.
How different have any of you found the SEs from A&C to be from Taxol? I am so worried now that having the Taxol weekly will only give me ONE day a week of feeling ok. -
vintage - keep in mind the dose of Taxol is smaller because you are getting it weekly, so potentially smaller SE from it. Often it seems those who suffer with AC do fine with Taxol, and the converse - those who don't have severe issues with AC suffer with Taxol. The SE are different for the drugs - generally do not have nausea from Taxol, but neuropathy. If your oncologist will allow you to take this cocktail, ask about 30g of L-Glutamine, a cap of B-6, and at least 500mg of Acetyl L-Carnitine daily, to try to ward off neuropathy. This is a well documented SE of Taxol and can be permanent. Also, fatigue is cumulative so you may feel more tired during Taxol, but some of that is coming from the previous AC too. -
For everyone traveling the rough chemo road, many hugs! I just wanted to say it does get better.
I am now 23 days out of chemo, and I have my taste back, feel much less tired and am fine digestively. I can even eat spicy things again! Dry mouth has stopped and tiny hairs are sprouting.
I had my third rad tx today and it really is easy when you get used to it. Of course, things may change when SEs show up.
Most of what I'm left with is some muscle aches and these damn hot flashes, that are continuous now. I got a Frog Toggs Chilly Towel on Amazon (made of a material you soak in water that then evaporates) and it helps cool me off.
I'm also looking forward to repairing my city of destruction!This Sat. I'm going to a workshop on making a "survivorship" plan. Should be interesting and I'll let you all know how it turns out!
-
Alfranco - oh my goodness, you and your mom at the same time??? My best friend was diagnosed a year after HER mother and I thought that was bad!
Lisa - thanks for sticking around and checking in! Yay for getting better each day and tiny hairs showing up!!! :-)
Vintagegal - My SEs from Taxol are totally different than AC. With AC I was really tired the first few days after each tx, taking nausea pills around the clock the first 3-4 days, had yuck mouth the entire time, etc. I haven't had any stomach issues since my first Taxol last week other than diahrrea the next day. I took Emend for nausea the day of chemo and the next two (1 pill a day) but never had to take anything else. I don't know if I even need that but the only tx i HAVEN'T taken it was the first one and I was really sick. So I'm sticking with it. LOL My taste buds still are weird, but I don't have that gross dirty sock taste all the time. The Taxol gave me severe aches (muscle and bone... Just all over) from day 3 until yesterday. It's better today. Other than that, I have major fatigue. I'll take being tired and sore over feeling yucky, so I hope that doesn't change!
My BP and heart rate have been better since last night. It was 107/73 and 74 pulse a little while ago. Maybe there's a correlation between my overwhelming aches and fatigue and those low numbers over the wknd? Since now I'm starting to feel better and the numbers are better. -
mama Stewart - I wish I could do more than send you internet hugs. Your post just made me feel your pain so acutely. I hope writing it is cathartic but mostly I just wanted to let you know you are often in my thoughts. And like LHL I strongly disagree with you that you deserved or caused this cancer. While I do believe stress plays a role in cancer I don't believe it causes it. Otherwise every president or person going through a divorce would get cancer. I personally think (and I know there is a lot of disagreement here) that negative sources of stress by focusing so much of our strength away from what is good for us does hurt us but this is true for all health matters. Therefore my own high levels of stress dealing with my daughter's father maybe exacerbated my cancer by not giving the tumor the full force of my body's natural defenses, but I don't believe it caused it.
In terms of the diet mess: I have both the cancer fighting kitchen and crazy sexy kitchen. My back story: I was a vegetarian for many years before eating meat again (only once or twice a week and never fast food) and I love love vegetables. The rawer the better and I ate a huge farmers market salad every night for pretty much my whole life. And up til I had my daughter I ran about 30- 40 miles a week. I don't say this to brag but to make the point I still got cancer. I don't believe diet and exercise are the only factors. I do however believe that a 'good' diet and a lot of exercise help more than our oncs suggest. If nothing else agood lifestyle makes you healthier overall and stronger to fight issues before they take hold in your body. I was the same as you though. I wanted to make a huge 100% change in a day. Ha! No matter how much I wanted to its pretty much impossible unless you don't have anything else going on in your life. A change like that takes a long time and requires a lot of sacrifice - both from us and our families. And FYI, I made three soups out of cancer kitchen and it took hours and hours and a lot of money for just a little of all these specialty ingredients. And they were not really tasty. So that was my big effort and it failed.
These are the things i do (mostly after reading the book anticancer - more based in my reality):
Try to eat grass fed meat wherever possible
Drink green tea (iced - can't stand it hot!) as much as possible
Eat more veggies and fruit and really cut out processed food when I can.
I find that the fasting has had long lasting help for me too. Before when I used to get hungry I would eat whatever I craved. But now even when I am hungry and go to a gas station instead of reaching for the candy or chips I try to figure out what is the healthiest 'bad' thing to eat. It has been a game changer in terms of when I make my worst choices.
That being said I love sweets. My best advice since this whole thing started is to make them count. I used to be a eat whatever sugar was there and before I knew it I would consume 10 pieces of candy and not even taste them. Now I make a point of planning my sweet tooth so I have something to look forward to and make a mental effort to stop the feed the beast mentality. So I am eating more desserts at restaurants or bringing things home from the bakery and less eating candy and crappy stuff my coworkers bring in. Results in more enjoyment and less absent eating.
Not sure if that helps but were my strategies. Cancer makes you revaluate everything and screws with your inner self confidence. I am and have been struggling with that aspect most of all. Can I trust my body anymore? Look what it allowed to grow without letting me know (until it did let me know - at 2.5cm). I know it will be a new normal and I know I will eventually get it back but my loop is thrown.
Best wishes to all of you! -
LHL - glad you're feeling better. And I totally agree about taking nausea over the taxol aches and pains. While I didn't do the AC, I am so prone to nausea in regular life that I know how much of a miserable being I am. On taxotere, the se's suck but I am still able to be present in my life and not just waiting desperately for time to pass.
Kbee - ooh the positivity thing just makes me want to scream. There is a difference between optimism and positivity. I am an optimistic person (all my life) and I do believe I will eventually get thru this and see normal life again. But am I woohoo chemo woohoo cancer F)$&@ NO!!!! And just the idea that being positive = thrilled to have cancer really is ridiculous. I am grateful so grateful for all the treatment options and breakthroughs made, I am blessed for so many reasons to have had cancer at this time of my life as opposed to other times), and I am thrilled to live in a country where my opinions and decisions are THE ones that matter. That said do I love or am even grateful to be going thru this? Uh no and I don't wish it on anyone. Optimism absolutely healthy positivity all the time - I think the opposite - it is unhealthy. -
LHL- I have always taken care of my mother's Dr 's appts and usually what I get she gets a few years down the road. So when I found out I was going to have surgery I tried to get all of my mom's testing done. Scary to find out we both had been diagnosed. Unfortunately I couldn't help my mom due to my surgery and one of my sister's had to step up. My sister then tried to bring my mom over so I could take care of her, they get used to their own lives and want no one else to mess their routine. I needed time, I still do to finish my treatment.
-
Feeling bone pain, don't know if it's from taxotere or nulasta. Hate feeling this way.
-
I'm waiting on the diet fixing too - although I'm somewhat like josgirl - I feel like I was very healthy before in eating and exercise. I've run marathons and finished triathlons. I am a healthy weight and most of our meat is from hunting. I'm letting myself eat whatever I want during chemo. I actually get irritated when people say things like - "Do you eat sugar? Sugar feeds cancer, you know." I want to say - do you know that your body can turn any carb into sugar so it's not just nutella feeding cancer but apples too?! I don't know why we got cancer - but I refuse to believe that I did something WRONG to get it. I know it's a way for others to feel at ease if they can figure out what I did that they can NOT do, but I don't deserve this. None of us do. And yeah, we don't have to be positive 100% of the time, because treatment does suck. But we will survive!
VintageGal- yes on weekly taxol you may only feel good for a couple days a week. But I never really feel bad. More achey and fatigue days 3-5, but days 1&2 and 6&7 are seriously normal. -
Knightzoo, 100% agree with the reason for the 'what to blame' game. I had two that stick out in my mind - and these by the way are from very educated and medically savvy people:
Did you wear your cell phone in your bra? - I am DD and have an iPhone - really?
Did you drink enough water? - I mean water is the key to health but really - being dehydrated now causes cancer?
Felt like I was pregnant all over again and everyone asking me if I was sure I wasn't having twins.....yes I was sure.
I think people just don't know what to say (and I cringe when I think of what I said before having this myself) so I give most of them a break. What pisses me off the most though is when I get it from people with cancer...now come on! Sharing research is one thing making absolutist statements that are rarely correct is another.
-
I agree 500% with josgirl and knightzoo. We did NOTHING to deserve this unless we have been living an unhealthy, crappy lifestyle. But look around you- not everybody who does gets cancer. It is just a series of unfortunate events in our body and no one really knows why. If they did, there would be a cure for this bloody disease.
Hang in there everyone!!! -
mamastewart, you did nothing to cause this cancer. We just all had a stroke of rotten luck this year. If there is a silver lining, it is that for most of us chemo will be ending near the new year...which means that 2014 should be our year to win the lottery...or have something else really GOOD happen. The info about the fasting is interesting, and your timing is great. I have chemo Friday, and fasting has been a little harder each time...just mentally (looking at all of the Halloween candy)... your info reassures me that it is worth it. How long do you fast? I do 36 hours before, and 24 after. On the swelling front, I have had some ankle swelling some days...worries me since I am not even half done...Friday will be the third of six.
alfranco, I can't imagine going through it the same time as my mom. Wow. I hope your pain eases soon.
LHL, Glad to hear your pulse and BP are returning to normal.
Lisa, Glad to hear you are feeling better each day.
josgirl, I am with you that optimism is different from "being positive" all the time.
Knightzoo, the cellphone in the bra made me laugh, because some one asked me that and I said,"are you serious??? It would fall down to my feet." I was barely a B! There was no way I could hold a phone in there without it smashing to the ground! Oh well, I don't need a bra now, so that's a nonissue.
-
Kbee, I am also fasting and I truly believe it is working although I agree that it is getting harder with each treatment. I thought it would get easier and for tx#2 it was easier. This third tx knocked me on my butt. I had more aches and pains and felt queasy (although not nauseas). I do 52 hours before and 24 after. Usually with all chemo protocol stuff it works out to 85 hours. I find the worst is about 6 hours prior to breaking the fast. Mentally I am just a mess. The two days prior to chemo are relatively easy though. Think it is interesting more of us are trying this. Do you take the neulasta shot?
-
Josgirl: I do not get the Neulasta shot. My counts were fine for round 2. My doctor does not draw for counts until the day of chemo (though next time I am asking to come in a day befor so I can see all of the results...not just counts). We'll see for round 3 on Friday. Round 3 sounds like it hits people hard. I am kind of stressed about this round because I have a crazy busy week next week. I do think fasting has helped me too. I have not had any nausea or vomiting (yet), and though my side effects are very annoying and at times really painful, I don't think they are as bad as others on this regimen. I don't think I can compare them to anyone on "A" since that nasty drug is in a class by itself as far as side effects.
They trick-or-treat here on Oct 30 instead of on the 31st, so I just got back. I wish I was more organized and on the ball. I could have gone as Blue Man Group. Darn it! -
just an aside, but I really do think chewing or sucking ice chips during A/C is the way to go. This last and final A/C infusion I forgot to ask for ice (and unfortunately if you don't ask at my infusion center the nurses don't offer) and I'm definitely feeling more sore in my gums and mouth this week. And my tongue hurts too, like I've burned it. Never had mouth issues with other 3 infusions and DID chew ice for those.
Oh and I hope I NEVER get that infusion nurse again. She tried to access my port with me upright and got absolutely NO pull or push ( I suspect the end of the needle was up against purple port plastic) so her remedy of the situation was to literally ram on my port and press it into my chest with one hand and then lift the needle and DIG around trying to find another stick. I'm usually just fine with any needle stick or port access but DAMN I wanted to punch this nurse in the freakin' face. I couldn't believe how rough she was ...my husband just kept looking at me expecting me to scream or pass out. After what felt like an eternity her solution was to recline me on my back and go in from the ceiling. Worked just fine. Good for her. (( golf clap applause )) Oh and I swear if I *ever* smell rubbing alcohol without hurling when this is all over it will be a miracle. I just imagine the smell and I immediately want to vomit. And those vinyl pink chemo chairs??? I'd like to burn one of them. No. I'd like to burn ALL of them. -
Peacockgirl, That nurse is lucky you didn't slug her! Wow! That's awful. To think I was annoyed with my last chemo nurse because she did not draw back like they are supposed to and it ended up infiltrating. She did not believe me at first. First week was much better. Your nurse was way, way, way out of line! Does everyone else's chemo nurse check on you from time to time? Mine only come when the pump chimes that it is done. Other than that, you have to yell or wave to get their attention. It is also probably the only place in the hospital that does NOT have ice (you have to bring your own), and no blanket warmer...I bring a fleece blanket, but I really would love warm blankets; that room is COLD! That was very surprising to me. I wish they had comment cards!
I know we've posted some really dumb things people say, but today I had the opposite, while at work. One of the guys asked if I could cover a few hours of his shift tomorrow. I said no since it was chemo day.
His response was, "oh, that's right. Man, sometimes I forget that you have cancer. Damn, it really sucks that you have to go through all of this crap."...not said in the cancer voice...said in a mad voice! 1. I love that I must look good enough that it slipped his mind, and 2. That was probably the best thing anyone could have said, and it completely put a smile on my face. -
Not many of us around today.
I good use some positive thoughts and prayers. My youngest is getting bronchitis, which would not be bad except that it is triggering bronchospasm and she is wheezing. 2 breathing treatments later and her pulse ox is up to the point where we do not need to go to the ER. I have set my alarm for every hour overnight to check on her. Really hoping to NOT be in the ER tonight. I do not need the germs, nor does she! DH is working overnight tonight, so it's all me, which may make for a long chemo day tomorrow. Feeling a bit overwhelmed, and hoping she keeps her oxygen sats up.
And today had been such a good day; I should have known the other shoe would drop. -
KBeee, I haven't visited this group in awhile, but I just saw your post. I'm praying for you and your little girl. Are you also on the steroids? That at least will probably keep you a little more awake tonight which will help you keep an eye on your daughter. I'm praying that you will not need to go to the ER and that you'll get some sleep tonight. I'm also praying that your infusion and days ahead go smoothly with minimal side effects. It's definitely frustrating when things seem to be going better and then something unexpected changes all of that. I'm on the same chemo as you and have my last treatment on Nov. 8th. I can't wait to be done! -
KBeee, Praying for a peaceful night for you.
Peacock, you totally should've punched her -
KBee - I love it when people forget I have cancer too - it's awesome!
Categories
- All Categories
- 679 Advocacy and Fund-Raising
- 289 Advocacy
- 68 I've Donated to Breastcancer.org in honor of....
- Test
- 322 Walks, Runs and Fundraising Events for Breastcancer.org
- 5.6K Community Connections
- 282 Middle Age 40-60(ish) Years Old With Breast Cancer
- 53 Australians and New Zealanders Affected by Breast Cancer
- 208 Black Women or Men With Breast Cancer
- 684 Canadians Affected by Breast Cancer
- 1.5K Caring for Someone with Breast cancer
- 455 Caring for Someone with Stage IV or Mets
- 260 High Risk of Recurrence or Second Breast Cancer
- 22 International, Non-English Speakers With Breast Cancer
- 16 Latinas/Hispanics With Breast Cancer
- 189 LGBTQA+ With Breast Cancer
- 152 May Their Memory Live On
- 85 Member Matchup & Virtual Support Meetups
- 375 Members by Location
- 291 Older Than 60 Years Old With Breast Cancer
- 177 Singles With Breast Cancer
- 869 Young With Breast Cancer
- 50.4K Connecting With Others Who Have a Similar Diagnosis
- 204 Breast Cancer with Another Diagnosis or Comorbidity
- 4K DCIS (Ductal Carcinoma In Situ)
- 79 DCIS plus HER2-positive Microinvasion
- 529 Genetic Testing
- 2.2K HER2+ (Positive) Breast Cancer
- 1.5K IBC (Inflammatory Breast Cancer)
- 3.4K IDC (Invasive Ductal Carcinoma)
- 1.5K ILC (Invasive Lobular Carcinoma)
- 999 Just Diagnosed With a Recurrence or Metastasis
- 652 LCIS (Lobular Carcinoma In Situ)
- 193 Less Common Types of Breast Cancer
- 252 Male Breast Cancer
- 86 Mixed Type Breast Cancer
- 3.1K Not Diagnosed With a Recurrence or Metastases but Concerned
- 189 Palliative Therapy/Hospice Care
- 488 Second or Third Breast Cancer
- 1.2K Stage I Breast Cancer
- 313 Stage II Breast Cancer
- 3.8K Stage III Breast Cancer
- 2.5K Triple-Negative Breast Cancer
- 13.1K Day-to-Day Matters
- 132 All things COVID-19 or coronavirus
- 87 BCO Free-Cycle: Give or Trade Items Related to Breast Cancer
- 5.9K Clinical Trials, Research News, Podcasts, and Study Results
- 86 Coping with Holidays, Special Days and Anniversaries
- 828 Employment, Insurance, and Other Financial Issues
- 101 Family and Family Planning Matters
- Family Issues for Those Who Have Breast Cancer
- 26 Furry friends
- 1.8K Humor and Games
- 1.6K Mental Health: Because Cancer Doesn't Just Affect Your Breasts
- 706 Recipe Swap for Healthy Living
- 704 Recommend Your Resources
- 171 Sex & Relationship Matters
- 9 The Political Corner
- 874 Working on Your Fitness
- 4.5K Moving On & Finding Inspiration After Breast Cancer
- 394 Bonded by Breast Cancer
- 3.1K Life After Breast Cancer
- 806 Prayers and Spiritual Support
- 285 Who or What Inspires You?
- 28.7K Not Diagnosed But Concerned
- 1K Benign Breast Conditions
- 2.3K High Risk for Breast Cancer
- 18K Not Diagnosed But Worried
- 7.4K Waiting for Test Results
- 603 Site News and Announcements
- 560 Comments, Suggestions, Feature Requests
- 39 Mod Announcements, Breastcancer.org News, Blog Entries, Podcasts
- 4 Survey, Interview and Participant Requests: Need your Help!
- 61.9K Tests, Treatments & Side Effects
- 586 Alternative Medicine
- 255 Bone Health and Bone Loss
- 11.4K Breast Reconstruction
- 7.9K Chemotherapy - Before, During, and After
- 2.7K Complementary and Holistic Medicine and Treatment
- 775 Diagnosed and Waiting for Test Results
- 7.8K Hormonal Therapy - Before, During, and After
- 50 Immunotherapy - Before, During, and After
- 7.4K Just Diagnosed
- 1.4K Living Without Reconstruction After a Mastectomy
- 5.2K Lymphedema
- 3.6K Managing Side Effects of Breast Cancer and Its Treatment
- 591 Pain
- 3.9K Radiation Therapy - Before, During, and After
- 8.4K Surgery - Before, During, and After
- 109 Welcome to Breastcancer.org
- 98 Acknowledging and honoring our Community
- 11 Info & Resources for New Patients & Members From the Team