Fall 2013 Rads

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  • summergal
    summergal Member Posts: 208
    edited October 2013


    Thanks, MsP! I will have to have both sides radiated, as I have bilateral synchronous. I'm not sure if they're going to recommend my doing both at once, or one subsequent to the other. I will definitely ask if they can do prone. Titty-toasting!!! Hahah!! I love all of these new vocabulary words I've picked up!! :)

  • Jo6202
    Jo6202 Member Posts: 372
    edited October 2013


    Jeannine and Cakes,


    No chemo needed! My oncotype DX came back a 12. Should start radiation on Monday. Thanks for encouraging me.

  • MsPharoah
    MsPharoah Member Posts: 1,034
    edited October 2013


    Jo602. Hooray! What a blessed comfort for you. Onward and forward! You got this one, gal!


    MsP

  • notdefiningus
    notdefiningus Member Posts: 4
    edited October 2013


    Thanks to everyone for input on the hypofractional (short course) radiation. We actually got our RO on the phone yesterday as we wanted to pose the question before we went in for the simulation appt. She explained that the protocol she follows is to offer the short course only in cases where the patient is over 50 and has not had chemo. Her concern is that for people under 50 the higher doses per session could increase the risk of damaging heart and/or lung tissue. She expects there to be a lot more research done on this in the future and they may change the protocol once more data is available. However, she did say that she would approve the hypofractional in my wife's case as long as we understood her position on the risks. We are thinking about it, but my wife is <50 so we are leaning towards sticking with the 6 week course. Have to decide by Monday.

  • cider8
    cider8 Member Posts: 832
    edited October 2013


    34/44 done! My boosts start tomorrow. Halloween is my last day. I start driving home Nov 1! My skin is doing very well. I hardly even use anything. But I have so much tape over the markings it's annoying to avoid them.


    I told my cousin how we talk about bringing each other along in our pockets, especially when we feel anxious, etc. She loved the idea! She lost her infant to congenital heart disease earlier this year and is still grieving deeply. I told her she can keep me in her pocket. I love her so much.

  • jbdayton
    jbdayton Member Posts: 700
    edited October 2013


    notdefiningus so hard to make all these decisions but you have to be comfortable with your final decisions. I wanted the shorter treatment also but since my original tumor was against the left chest wall it would put more radiation near the heart. I decided on the 5 week course I was offered since I had an almost near complete response from neo-adjuvant chemo (no invasive tumor left) before surgery and all I had in my final path report was 1.3 cm DCIS remaining in the tumor bed. No boosts.


    Summer gal hope you qualify for the shorter course.


    Good luck to everyone zapping the beast.

  • bikergirl
    bikergirl Member Posts: 112
    edited October 2013


    Jo6-That is great news!!! So you will be a radiant lady too!

  • MsPharoah
    MsPharoah Member Posts: 1,034
    edited October 2013


    Cider8, so glad you are doing well. Very soon, you will be home with you husband and children. You should be proud to be such a comfort to your cousin at a time like this.


    Jbdayton, love the expression zapping the beast.

  • ItIsWhatItIs2013
    ItIsWhatItIs2013 Member Posts: 541
    edited October 2013

    Rhcp...

    Before starting rads, I read the "summer rads" thread like a dirty novel & picked up all kinds of lotions and potions.

    Im 25/33 and have only used the colendula cream that they give me. I used lavender oil on one of my weekend breaks & it was realky soothing, but with just the colendula, I think im gonna make it through just fine. Im red & extra red where they place the bolus (with b teeny tiny blisters), but its not so painful as long as I keep the boob lubed with the cream. I was terrified of rads before starting, but it goes by so fast & the redness and tenderness is so gradual.... youll be fine....

    Much easier than chemo, physically... I think rads was/is harder emotionally than chemo was....

    My mumma passed away yesterday & had to have one of my "pity parties".... couldnt blame this one on cancer though..,,, bu I found that im more often bummed with rads than I was with chemo....

    hang in there... once we are done, its time to celebrate!

    Happy thoughts!

    Lorrie

  • Jo6202
    Jo6202 Member Posts: 372
    edited October 2013


    Lorrie - So very sorry to hear about your mom. You certainly deserve a pity party. Going through cancer is tough enough and now the added sadness of losing your mumma. Take care.

  • jbdayton
    jbdayton Member Posts: 700
    edited October 2013


    Lorrie, so sorry to hear about your mumma. (((HUGS)))

  • swellrider
    swellrider Member Posts: 17
    edited October 2013


    I went for my set up appt today. I was supposed to have 16 regular treatments with 4 boosts as I am Canadian. But I was offered to be part of a study and be the first in British Columbia to use the prone position but with the longer six week course of treatment. It was pretty cool that I was the first person to ever use the new table. The room was full of the whole radiation department - taking photos and looking it all over. So they scanned me in both positions and now I wait to see which part of the study I will be - face up or face down. Either way, I will start daily sessions November 4.


    I have been working really hard on a frozen shoulder on my surgery side. When I first met my RO, I couldn't put my arm over my head and they were going to have to do a masectomy but I got a cortisone shot and lots of physio therapy and am now able to get those arms up.

  • wyo
    wyo Member Posts: 541
    edited October 2013


    Hi all


    For those interested in the shorter course of external beam radiation- I am doing the 16 treatments or as the radiation oncologist put it 15+1 for a total of 16 LOL


    I am 52 and had lumpectomy with no chemo and negative sentinel nodes- IDC with some DCIS. I fit the profile for this shorter course as I understand it. I agree that everyone's treatment plan is individualized to a certain extent within established protocols. I like that customization and at the end of the day we don't have to do anything or everything we don't want to.


    Had my planning appt yesterday and the physician and the tech did not like a red area around my lumpectomy scar- I could see some redness but I suppose lying flat on my back with the bright lights on they had a better view..... I have had pain in that area and some swelling at night and just attributed it to seroma formation.


    Sent me over to the surgeon so this am I went over and they put me on antibiotics. Said it won't delay my radiation so I will start on 11/6. I agree with several of the posters- radiation seems to be an emotional versus physical "hit". I felt pretty vulnerable on that table and I don't like that feeling in any situation. The rest of the time I can somehow convince myself I am in control and making the decisions I need to make!

  • Neelie2
    Neelie2 Member Posts: 4
    edited October 2013


    I got my "4" tats yesterday, asked if I could get small CHRISTIAN crosses instead of Xs. My Doc said yes, so today, instead of getting upset about tats, got 4 crosses, one with a tiny red tear drop. I like them. Can't wait for my radiation peeps to see them and my Doc. Have 1/35 on Nov 5th, I'm going to do this with a smile! My Surgeon said I was the happiest cancer patient she ever had, I want to keep up this good rep! Wasn't too happy with the Seromas, the 1st one, they drained 2 full cups of fluid, came back 2 more times, set me back on my CT scan, but that is all behind me, I hope! Just between us, I have lots of pain under my arm, but I can't take pain medicine, (makes me so sick, they have tried lots of kinds (with anti nausea meds, all the same reaction. Can't keep food down, feel terrible) I am going to try, to handle it all with dignity and lots of prayers. Sad, I got a call Tuesday, my Oncologist, passed away. I liked him and trusted him, I feel really bad for his family. I have a good radiation oncologist, so I'm sure he will guide me through. Thank~You everyone for sharing!

  • ckmoss
    ckmoss Member Posts: 613
    edited October 2013


    Hi! I have just finished chemo and my oncologist is pushing..hard..for radiaton. We debated back and forth with him finally asking would I just "have a conversation with rad onc". I go today. I spent 3 hours on computer last night reading every reputable article and website I could find. I just don't know now. The risk of lymphedema is high with radiation to lymphs and risk of heart issues (heart attack, valve issues) is way up there when you have radiation to chest wall. Im under the standard (5cm plus lump size..mine was a 4...and 4plus lymphs involved -mine was 2/12. The risk of recurrence in first 5 years is 16%..with radiation it goes down to 14%...only 2% diff compare to risk of heart issues/lymphedema..But what if I need to be in that 2%..or what if heart issues...Jeez! Its like a crap shoot...I don't know the answer. I know radiation scares the crap out of me. I don't know what to do. This rad onc is in the same bldg with onc..so I know what she is going to say..as my onc is known for throwing whole kitchen sink at cancer..risks be damn..she will go with him..I guess Im going to have to get 2nd opinion..Drs around this town are pretty behind. I wonder can you have your records faxed out of town/state and that be considered a Drs visit. Do you have to be there? Also, I read that a good bit of women have to be out of work halfway through rads as it brings on the same fatigue as you get with chemo. I can't be out anymore..I mean my work would let me..but financially. Anyway, you can see my mind is in turmoil this morning. If anyone has any info that would help me make up my mind it was would be sooo great!


    Neelie-I had seroma too. I had lumpectomy..margins weren't clear...then MX...then, what I call port of hell put in (dang that hurt!)..then 5 days later got infection AND seroma. He had to do 4th surgery (in 3 mths) and emblaze MX site and was in hospital for 3 days getting IV antibiotics. I've never been hardly sick or in hospital in my life until this! Positive attitude is the ticket, huh? It does keep the scary a bay and its GREAT they can see that in you!!

  • ItIsWhatItIs2013
    ItIsWhatItIs2013 Member Posts: 541
    edited October 2013

    Ckmoss...

    Im 25/33 & work full time. My apts are around 5 in the eve,, so I just swing by the hospital on my way home frim work.

    Good luck with your decision ....

  • Annie54
    Annie54 Member Posts: 247
    edited October 2013


    ckmoss -


    I finish my rads next Tuesday and honestly it has been a breeze. My skin pinked up but didn't hurt or break down, and I'm blond haired, blue eyed with Irish fair skin that usually burns. I had little to no fatigue and have easily worked throughout the treatments. I'm not sure about the 2% reduction in re-occurrence rate. My research and info from the RO is that it reduces re-occurence 40% to 70%. For me, I want to do all I can now while I have the option because down the road, your options diminish - especially if it spreads, there is no going back.


    I developed lympodema (minimal) after my lumpectomy with only 3 nodes removed. I asked the RO if radiation would make it worse and she said no. She was right because it actually improved during radiation! As for heart damage - I'm on Herceptin and have an echo-cardiogram every 3 months. No problems with the heart yet. Honestly, of all I've been through since diagnosis....radiation has been the easiest part.


    I understand your worries - as we all have similar ones but I've chosen to take my doctors recommendations as they are the ones with the experience with this beast and a view of the big picture long term. Good luck with whatever you decide - as it is a personal choice. We are here to support you either way.


    Annie

  • summergal
    summergal Member Posts: 208
    edited October 2013


    Hello - saw my RO for the first time today and will have my CT Sim next Wed, 10/30. I will be the first patient in a new study for our hospital - deep inspiration breath hold. I feel good about it. Told my husband I welcome the challenge! As if I haven't been challenged enough already ;). Anyhoo, I don't think I'm going to read anything about radiation on the internet, other than from this site and these boards. It's just something I have to go through, and I'm going to try and do it with as much grace and hope and positivity as possible. Wishing everyone a wonderful weekend!

  • cakes
    cakes Member Posts: 157
    edited October 2013


    MsP - You have me rolling on the floor in a fit of laughter! "Titty toasting action"! If I didn't mention it before, DS, DD and I came up with the idea of appetizers for happy hour during Oct called tatter tatas or crispy tits. Of course they would be tatter tots and the proceeds would go to the cure. I guess most people wouldn't get it but we thought it was a riot.


    My latest boobism is, I had identical twins but now they are fraternal. Sometimes I just need to laugh to keep from crying, besides, laughing feels SO good.


    Take care radiated, I mean radiant ladies.


    ((((HUGS!))))

  • ckmoss
    ckmoss Member Posts: 613
    edited October 2013


    I saw my rad onc today. I went armed with all my information. Her info was completely off from what I had read. Way off. For example, she said it was 20% chance of non recur with rads..which no where did I see that high a percentage. Anyway, long story short..she, of course, thinks I should have it..She said that I am under the standard of having to have it..but I am in a grey area. I have called and am in the process of getting a 2nd opinion from a team ..not just rad onc..at the Cancer Center of America. Its a 3 1/2 hour drive..but oncologist advocate I talked to there said that it would be a group of 5 different specialist..as it can be biased when just speaking to a rad onc. Well, what they say I will go with. I don't want to jeopardize chance of recurrence, but don't want to take risk and put other health in risk.


    Annie-Your post made me feel a whole lot better. It really did. I'm curious getting the echo..did they say it was risk of heart issues. This rad onc said that if you have on the right side that it was 0 % risk of heart issue..which is not what I read.


    Summergal-I have read internet back and forwards...only reputable sites though...and if you have a lumpectomy you definitely go through rads. Its very standard. When I first had my lumpectomy, I was going to do that..but with chemo too...chemo weakens your heart and the double whammy of rads is where the risks come in.

  • cakes
    cakes Member Posts: 157
    edited October 2013


    Summergal - I had to take in a deep breath and hold each time they radiated on area. I am wondering if that is what you area referring to. It was easy to do but I did have days when I took in too much air and others not enough. They can watch you and direct you as to when your breathing is perfect. I was told because my tumor was my left-side they used the breathing technique. Good luck and please let me know how it goes.

  • Annie54
    Annie54 Member Posts: 247
    edited October 2013


    ckmoss,


    Glad I could help. I get the echo due to being on Herceptin (for HER2+ tumors). Herceptin can cause congestive heart failure in a small percentage of women so they test my heart every 3 months to make sure the function is not declining. If it goes below a certain point they stop the Herceptin. I don't want that to happen since I need my heart :) and because Herceptin is as close to a magic bullet for HER2+ gals like me as we can get. I take Herceptin for a year but I get no SE's from it so I'm fine with that. I want every last drop!


    My BC was in the right breast, upper right quadrant and close to the chest wall. So luckily it was not on the heart side. I do have two friends though that had left breast BC and they weathered radiation just fine too. I know all the information coming at you is overwhelming - just keep plugging through it all and you'll figure out what to do.


    Annie

  • honeybair
    honeybair Member Posts: 746
    edited October 2013


    Moss, I sense your agony over your decision to radiate or not and it is a heart and mind-wrenching decision when as you say you are in the gray zone. My RO told me that radiation would provide a 70% chance for non-recurrence which is an overwhelming percentage.


    I do wish you the best as you seek other opinions from a team. Just remember, all these doctors in the cancer field are seeking to preserve our lives though there may be health issues at some point further down the road. I had to learn to accept that point of view when I began this cancer treatment journey and it has helped to put my mind at ease. Side effects won't be an issue if we are not around to experience them.


    I had to postpone my radiation since Tuesday of this week because I had a cortisone injection in my right knee on Monday due to pain. Little did I know there would be a reaction between radiation and cortisone and I did not tell my family doc I was receiving radiation. My skin turned bright pink all the way across my chest and well as up both sides of my neck. Now I am taking Prednisone for 10 days which is one drug that makes me feel positively miserable. Am hoping I will be able to resume my treatments Next Monday. Now I am a week behind and feeling low about what has happened. But on a positive note, the pain in my knee has vanished. My family doc said that all the chemo had just pushed it over the edge and was causing my joint problem.


    Lorrie, so sorry to hear about losing your mom. Things cannot be easy for you right now.


    Wishing everyone the best week-end you can have.

  • Lav
    Lav Member Posts: 65
    edited October 2013


    10 down 20 to go. With my periods today feel so drained out and with so much cholic pain. This too shall pass!


    Congrats Jo6202! Thats definitely good news.


    Ckmoss I havent gone thru chemo but Im sure majority of the ladies here will tell youve been thru d worst already. Rads isnt as bad comparatively. And where youve done so much just a little more to be complete out of d woods is fine I feel. In d end everything is a risk. Crossing the street,flying on a plane,car accident... if somethings are meant to happen they will happen anyway. Just the same goodluck with your decision.


    Bluebird hope your doing better? Sending positive vibrations your way! Hugs n happy weekend.

  • vwbordelon
    vwbordelon Member Posts: 58
    edited October 2013


    ckmoss,


    I have been in the "gray" area since this cancer journey has started. I think it is God's way of having a laugh at my expense. I have ALWAYS been a very black and white person. Make an informed decision, don't look back, and get on with it. Well I was "gray" about if i should have a lumpectomy/mastectomy, chemo, and radiation. I did get a 2nd opinion on the rads and he was absolute about doing it. My rad onc brought it to the tumor board and they too said yes - so I did. Honestly it was a breeze. I was fortunate to live with my daughter who is in graduate school and she was the BEST medicine I could have. If they could have given me an absolute answer that I didn't need it I would have been ok with it. Since there was no absolute don't do it, I had to. I never want to say if this monster comes back that I didn't do everything I could to prevent it.


    All my best to you and all of the other wonderfrul ladies!


    Life is good - go out and enjoy it!!

  • lori_marie
    lori_marie Member Posts: 3
    edited October 2013


    I have my consult with the Radiologist Nov 4. Oncologist says I'm looking at about 2.5 weeks. My mom went through radiation last winter ( age 66) she tolerated it very well. A little tiredness the first few sessions and her site had some redness. Im praying for a positive treatment process. Only thing is the nearest treatment centre is 17 hr drive away, so have to be away from home the entire time.

  • MsPharoah
    MsPharoah Member Posts: 1,034
    edited October 2013


    Hello radiant ones! Wow, what a group,of intelligent women we are..not sure why they need to radiate us more.


    First and foremost, Lorrie, my sincerest condolences on the loss of your mother, I wish great comfort for you and your family.


    Vwbordelon....you took the words out of my mouth. I have also been in the dreaded gray area throughout. I call choosing breast cancer treatment spinning the roulette wheel. Until we have a cure, this is our reality...the treatments have significant risks. All we can do is choose with the best science we have and not look back.


    Cakes, your family is too funny helping you come up with appetizer ideas. Tatter tits...rotfl


    It is good to hear so many ladies getting close to the end of treatment and having manageable side effects. So very encouraging!


    I am 3 days out from my last boost and doing very well.


    Only radiance, MsP

  • MsPharoah
    MsPharoah Member Posts: 1,034
    edited October 2013


    Lorilmarie... I am so sorry that you will have to be away from home for your treatment. Will you have someone with you for company? Hugs, hon.


    MsP

  • SophiaMarie
    SophiaMarie Member Posts: 352
    edited October 2013


    so nice to hear how well most of you are doing! So much positive!


    Wish I felt it myself. The day after my halfway point ( 2 days ago) I dropped emotionally. Had tears at the acupuncturist's, and today for the first and hopefully last time, I cried at my rads treatment! The poor techs. I'm usually really up and chatty with them and this time I fell apart. I had to clench my teeth to stop a sob during treatment. It just hit me. Today was our 27th anniversary - my dh was in the waiting room at the hospital for his wife who has a deformed pink ugly boob. Just don't feel very sexy! Plus a friend just yesterday had a 2nd biopsy - confirmed cancer in one and now looks like the other as well, and lymph looks bad too. Just too much!

  • FierceBluebird
    FierceBluebird Member Posts: 758
    edited October 2013


    Lorrie, so sorry about the loss of your mum. I miss my mom terribly and it will be rough for awhile especially while going through all this. Hugs! Be gentle to yourself.


    I've not been posting since I tend to shut down when feeling bad. Had another MISERABLE rad experience yesterday. I was at a breast cancer conference and left early so that I could fit my rad session in. Spent two HOURS on the table. I've had it. I will be calling my doctor on Monday to tell her I'm done unless they can get me in and out in a normal time frame.


    I've had 10 treatments so far. Two of the treatments I was done in 30 minutes, so I know it can be done far more quickly. Friday was the worst yet. They took numerous x-rays, then the machine stopped cooperating. They kept telling me just a few more minutes. Last night I couldn't sleep my arm and shoulder hurt so much. I am having difficulty moving it today and it is still painful. I am developing frozen shoulder or bursitis.


    Monday I plan to tell the doctor that I see three choices. One is to move me to another facility with a newer machine. Three times during my treatment the machine or computers stopped working. (Whether this is true or not is debatable.) I know that I am the first gated breathing breast cancer patient they are working on and I wonder if they are simply trying to figure out how to do it.)


    The second is that she provide all information to another RO and I'll continue with another hospital group and hopefully my insurance will approve of the transfer. The doctor I'm seeing is the chairperson of the Rad department so I can't go to anyone higher than her. The hospital has just started an affiliation with MD Anderson and if I get really upset, I may just write a letter to MD Anderson to let them know of my experience. I know that my doctor and two techs went to Texas to learn this technique.


    The third option is that I stop rads all together. I can't continue putting myself through this again. I've had a failed flap procedure (on my healthy side) and I have been through enough medically.


    I hope everyone has an enjoyable weekend of rest. I am now past the sad crying stage and just plain angry. But I still plan to relax and try to put it behind me until Monday morning.

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