Has anyone had root canals (so teeth) removed?

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  • peggy_j
    peggy_j Member Posts: 1,700
    edited October 2013


    Shira, have you done much research on how these meridian systems work? My understanding is that our bodies have several places where there was "maps" to the meridians: the bottom of our feet, the palms of our hands, even the outside of our ears. Practitioners use this knowledge during treatment. For example, if you're getting reflexology but have a broken toe, the practitioner might do some of the work on the corresponding hand.


    Whenever possible, I like to get the opinion of someone who doesn't have any skin in the game. In other words, someone with a lot of knowledge who won't profit from my decision. It's human nature for doctors (or anyone) to recommend a solution that they know how to do. (my dad has back pain. Unsurprisingly, the surgeon recommend surgery; the non-surgeon recommends an epidural injection). Maybe you can have a consultation at an Asian medical clinic (or Chinese medical college) and learn their opinion on whether they think there's a link between qi and cancer and, if so, what treatment options are available. It's possible you may get similar results with other treatment options. I would definitely recommend getting multiple opinions before doing anything irreversible (and so costly).

  • Momine
    Momine Member Posts: 7,859
    edited October 2013


    "Yeah, count me as another Quackwatch advocate with no evil company ties. I work for a divorce lawyer."






    Yeah well, don't know about that "no evil company ties" in your case ;)

  • Momine
    Momine Member Posts: 7,859
    edited October 2013


    Peggy, that is a really good suggestion.

  • SelenaWolf
    SelenaWolf Member Posts: 1,724
    edited October 2013

    Good oral health (i.e., filling cavities, root canals, regular cleanings) prevents long-term systemic disease and health problems, such as diabetes, heart disease, low-birth weight and premature babies, respiratory disease, systemic bacterial infections, and oral cancer.  Research is ongoing about how oral health affects overall health.  There is simply no conclusive- or compelling scientific evidence linking breast cancer and root canals, or breast cancer with other dental work; however there is quite a lot of scientific evidence linking bad oral health with other health issues.

    I am 52 years old and have had only one, white-bond filling in my life.  I am extremely active, eat organic and mostly plants, don't smoke, drink moderately, hate sweets, drink green tea (I prefer the taste), have never been Vitamin D deficient, and love my life.  And, yet, I still developed breast cancer.  It's because I have BREASTS, not because of my dental work.


     

  • exbrnxgrl
    exbrnxgrl Member Posts: 12,424
    edited October 2013


    thank you, Selena!

  • abigail48
    abigail48 Member Posts: 1,699
    edited October 2013


    I read the ingredient list on those white fillings. didn't look good to me. after I lost all those teeth I began flossing & brushing every time I ate. no more blood there, finally. a very good idea to do these things. dentists? I doubt it

  • Momine
    Momine Member Posts: 7,859
    edited October 2013


    Selena, LOL. I also have exactly one, small filling in my teeth. I have iron teeth, it seems. I did smoke, but moderately. Other than that I have been extremely healthy all my life. The blasted boobs weren't even very big!


    I remember cracking up at the morning of my first chemo. The onc was going over my blood numbers with the nurse, making appreciative noises along the way, because my blood work was so fine. So I quipped that other than the stupid cancer I was in excellent health. She didn't miss a beat, glanced down and said that the cancer was excellent too (meaning that it was highly treatable).

  • SelenaWolf
    SelenaWolf Member Posts: 1,724
    edited October 2013

    My MO always told me that - cancer notwithstanding - I was in absolutely optimal physical health and she had never treated anyone who was so (otherwise) healthy.  She believes - and I believe - that my ability to withstand the harshness of treatment and recover from its effects so quickly is because - ironically - I was as healthy as a bloody horse.  Now, when I see her on my annual visits, she just shakes her head when I tell her I've just done a 30-mile bike hike the previous day, or a 10 mile forest hike, and says that I need to "slow down" (happy smiley face).  Which is so not going to happen because I love to MOVE!

    I doubt very much that my one, small white-bond filling was responsible for my breast cancer.  My breasts were.

    (I agree with Ruth, I want the smiley's back!)

  • abigail48
    abigail48 Member Posts: 1,699
    edited October 2013


    I agree, but what do yu think was the cause. no way to know the cUSE OF ANYTHING BUT WHAT IS YOUR CONJECTURE?

  • SelenaWolf
    SelenaWolf Member Posts: 1,724
    edited October 2013

    I developed breast cancer because 1) I am a woman and 2) I have breasts.  Those were my biggest risk factors.  3) Family history, albiet limited.  My mother developed breast cancer at the age of 74, but that is the only other instance of breast cancer in an extremely extended family (with several first degree female relatives).  4)  I did not have children or breast feed, but - on-the-other-hand - my mother had four children and breast-fed all four, and still developed breast cancer.  So, I don't know how viable this risk factor was for me.  5) Late on-set menopause: I was still going strong and very regular until chemotherapy (when I was 50), which threw me into (thankfully) menopause; however, my mother went through surgical menopause at the age of 50 when she had a complete hysterectomy/oophrectomy (for reasons NOT related to cancer), and still developed a strongly ER+ breast cancer at 74.  So, again, I don't know how viable this risk factor is for me. 

    So, bottom line, my conjecture still remains: I developed breast cancer because 1) I am a woman and 2) I have breasts.  And those are two things that I cannot change at this point.  The rest is simply guesswork with no conclusive answers.  At least, for me.  Which is probably why I don't tend to try to do anything special since having breast cancer because I really don't know if I can "tweek" any more.  I adopted the "whole food slow food" philosophy a number of years ago.  I remain very active and involved in sports.  I have never smoked.  I drink (wine only) only occasionally.  I'm not into sweets.  I hate milk and never drink it, but do indulge periodically in cheese.  I eat full-fat because of my activity level, but I do watch to ensure that I'm only having the proper dietary portions.  Frankly, I don't know what else I can do to lessen my risk any further than what I was already doing pre-breast cancer.

    Sometimes, no matter how hard we try, we just cannot outrun our own personal genetics.

  • peggy_j
    peggy_j Member Posts: 1,700
    edited October 2013


    abigail, I don't want to freak you out, but cancer is caused by our cells mutating and that, unfortunately, happens all the time. In most cases, our immune systems are able to fight off and kill the mutated cells. Sometimes it doesn't happen and the cancer grows. The statistic I read is that 1:3 people in the US will develop cancer in their lifetime. As we grow older our bodies slow down, including our immune system. That's one reason why the risk of cancer increases we age. Also, it takes many years for most tumors to grow large enough to be detected.


    This book (below) talks about cancer and an "integrative approach" (a.k.a. alternative approach) to treating it. The book also has a great chapter on the science of the immune system and how it fights cancer, so it's provides a good, balanced perspective. I asked around and my doc said the author has a good reputation.


    http://www.amazon.com/The-Definitive-Guide-Cancer-Edition/dp/1587613581


    Of course, risk factors are just that, risk factors. They don't guarantee who will and will not get cancer. The bottom line, it seems to me, is that it's all a big crap shoot. Of course, we want to be healthy and do what we can to prevent cancer and other diseases too. But at the end of the day, medicine is not definitive or predictive. So I just focus to do the things I can and enjoy each day.

  • Momine
    Momine Member Posts: 7,859
    edited October 2013


    Selena, here in Greece, the idea is that if you are sick, you should go to bed and do the swooning thing. During chemo, I would get blood panels done at a lab 4 metro stops from my house, which is about 3 miles. My onc quickly realized I wasn't the swooning type, when I told her that I had walked to and from the blood lab the previous day to get in a bit of exercise before the next chemo.


    Peggy, I completely agree about the crap shoot. I am all for trying to improve my odds, but I never delude myself into thinking that I can do anymore than that.

  • Claire_in_Seattle
    Claire_in_Seattle Member Posts: 4,570
    edited October 2013


    Just want to add that one of the miracles of my generation is that most of us get to keep our teeth!!! The assumption a century ago is that losing them was nearly inevitable. This has an enormous impact on our general health as we get older.


    I will use "Heidi" as a literary reference here. One of her wishes was for soft rolls so that her grandmother would be able to eat them. The poor woman couldn't eat the hard rye bread (which of course was more nutritious).


    I have one root canal, and two implants. The implants were because of a baby tooth that finally broke 12 years ago, and then a split molar. I had to go with a major space after I lost the baby tooth. I LOVE my implant. You don't want a bridge if you can avoid it, because it is attached to your healthy teeth. So you damage them in installing a bridge. And you certainly don't want a partial plate that you take out at night.


    I have had all my old amalgam fillings replaced. So not nearly as noticeable as a mouth fill of silver fillings. This is mainly vanity, but I love that look.


    As I said, I am so grateful to live in a world of modern dentistry. To say nothing of the benefits of having healthy gums. One of these was being able to do chemo. Too risky for my protocol otherwise.


    As for "what caused it". I have an electronics background, and view this as an "OR-gate" with about 2000 separate inputs. I have other things to worry about here. My guess is 1) being female and 2) not having children.....but anyone of the 1998 other suspects could be responsible. - Claire

  • exbrnxgrl
    exbrnxgrl Member Posts: 12,424
    edited October 2013


    Peggyj,


    Yes, in many ways it does seem like a giant roulette game. We all do the best we can. Those of us who actually have diagnosed bc offer many different perspectives on the why's or how's of how we got to where we are. Those who don't but post here anyway have zero credibility and disrespect those of us who have bc.


    Caryn

  • new2bc
    new2bc Member Posts: 559
    edited October 2013

    I wonder if anyone had a lot of stress prior to being diagnosed. I like to hear if this factor is one of the main causes of  breast cancer. 

  • abigail48
    abigail48 Member Posts: 1,699
    edited October 2013


    Of the nine people I've known with breast cancer, including me, if that's what I have, I'm the only one of the nine who have had no children. I tried to find the locked forum yesterday and it is apparently gone. I was told people would be able to read there but not post. apparently that'.s no longer true. anyway I would post there if it existed. It was for people who use only alternative therapies but have not been diagnosed. I guess someone thought it would be helpful if it was no longer there.

  • Momine
    Momine Member Posts: 7,859
    edited October 2013


    new2bc, the studies I have seen conclude that stress has no effect in BC.

  • exbrnxgrl
    exbrnxgrl Member Posts: 12,424
    edited October 2013


    While stress is not a good thing, I'd be rather surprised to find that it was a major contributor to the development of bc. All adults have stressful periods in their lives, very few are unscathed, yet the vast majority do not develop bc. Additionally, if this were true, it would be a bummer because how could we avoid it? People divorce, family members die, jobs are lost etc. life happens.


    As to using alternative therapies, yes we have and have had threads that deal with that. I've only been on bco for 2 years but I only know one self diagnosed member. For most of us conventional or alternative, self dx is simply too far out there. If that's acceptable, then the whole value of these boards is severely diminished.

  • abigail48
    abigail48 Member Posts: 1,699
    edited October 2013


    I disagree. it seems to me diagnosis, especially in an old person. only adds inflamation as well as stress. actually that's eleven with breast cancer, I'd forgotten my aunt, my mother's sister. two I didn't meet. one a man, I'd guess whether or not he had chlldren is irrelevant. the other, a dear friend of my sister, still lives. several to many were in my mother's generation

  • exbrnxgrl
    exbrnxgrl Member Posts: 12,424
    edited October 2013


    Ah, fool that I am, I continue to engage in this fruitless exchange...


    It is absurd for anyone, regardless of age, to self dx via info on the internet or a radio show. I sincerely hope that someone, new to bco, perhaps scared and desperate, would never think that such a thing was acceptable nor take any advice on diet or self tx from someone who does (self dx).


    I feel better now :)

  • NattyOnFrostyLake
    NattyOnFrostyLake Member Posts: 377
    edited October 2013


    Acceptable? Ah, we have an arbiter of what's acceptable. How's that worked for you?

  • exbrnxgrl
    exbrnxgrl Member Posts: 12,424
    edited October 2013


    Very well! Thanks for asking.

  • Momine
    Momine Member Posts: 7,859
    edited October 2013


    Bronxgirl, I will take your "arbitration" any day ;)

  • exbrnxgrl
    exbrnxgrl Member Posts: 12,424
    edited October 2013


    Thanks, momine. You already know that my "line in the sand" is self dx. Even in my very liberal view of things, this is not ok. And, I say this as someone who actually has the experience of having breast cancer!

  • Momine
    Momine Member Posts: 7,859
    edited October 2013


    Brnxgirl, I hear you.


    Further about the stress - as far as I can understand, it has not been shown to be a factor in BC. Also, the kind of stress that can be problematic is not the "big" kinds of stress that we typically think of. It is more low-grade, chronic stress that you have to watch - the kind of stress caused by not eating at regular meal times, not sleeping well etc.


    http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/factsheet/Risk/stress

  • BrooksideVT
    BrooksideVT Member Posts: 2,211
    edited October 2013

    There's a survey/statistic somewhere out there that ranks different types of stress.  Loss of loved one, divorce, loss of job, nasty diagnosis, all rank high.  They tell you that if your stresses during the last year add up beyond  a certain number, you are at a higher likelyhood of developing a serious illness.  After dx last fall, I asked the radiologist look back at my past mammos with me.  There is a tiny lesion three years ago, when my marriage broke up.  The lesion was twice the size two years ago while I was going through an absolutely horrid separation, and it was large enough (1.1 cm) to be considered suspicious by mammo (both by the CAD program and a real person) last fall, shortly after a brutal three day divorce trial.

    I certainly would not say stress "causes" breast cancer, but I am convinced that it does not help your body keep it, or any other ailment, under control.

    Years ago, I had a shrink who believed that stress is behind every physical symptom.  At first I thought he was wacko (after all, why else would he be attracted to psychology?), but over the years, I've come to pretty much agree with him.

  • abigail48
    abigail48 Member Posts: 1,699
    edited October 2013


    my truelove died suddenly 3 years & 7 months before the cyst began showing red. everyone is different. a one size fits all sot of dental analgisic for instance would probably kill me, not to mention special k (ketamine) used in surgery). almost immediately I began getting the shakes, still have them, & the next summer the dizzies. & they wouldn't go away no matter what therapies I had for my breasts

  • SelenaWolf
    SelenaWolf Member Posts: 1,724
    edited October 2013

    I think what many people fail lto realise is that - basically - our bodies are machines.  Complex, sophisticated, biological machines.  And, like most machines, they begin to malfunction and breakdown.  Regular check-ups and tune-ups help keep the machine running smoothly; so does the proper fuel and care.  But, ultimately, due to it's complexity, it will begin to malfunction and breakdown, and not operate with the efficiency it used to when it was brand-new.  For a lot of people, this happens with age; with other people, unfortunately, this happens much sooner. 

    Cancer - in general - happens at the cellular level.  That's where all the action and damage occur.  Sometimes, that action can be triggered by an outside force - i.e., exposure to asbestos, pollutants, etc. - but sometimes it occurs sponaneously.  It takes a certain chain reaction within our bodies for that one, mutated cell to begin developing into cancer.  Any interruptions- or changes to that chain of events can, sometimes, destroy that cancerous cell, but if the chain remains unbroken, the cancer will continue to develop and grow.  It's inevitable.  Treatment can slow it down or stop it in its tracks and, sometimes, put it to sleep for years, but - unless there is some type of intervention - the cancer, i.e., the malfunction will continue.

    I'm not saying that there aren't things we can do to reduce our risk of developing breast cancer, but - at it's most basic level - we cannot prevent our bodies, our machines, from breaking down over time.  Cancer is a genetic disease.  If we have cells, we possess within us the potential for those cells to go wrong.

    exbrxgrl and momine ... my line in the sand is not only self-diagnosis, but those who insist on diagnosing others.

  • NattyOnFrostyLake
    NattyOnFrostyLake Member Posts: 377
    edited October 2013


    Actually Exurb, your being the arbiter of "acceptable" hasn't worked out too well, consdering your disease has progressed to stage IV via "acceptable." You can learn a lot from Abigail. Time to get humble and rethink. Good luck to you. May you open your mind and heart. xox

  • MmeJ
    MmeJ Member Posts: 167
    edited October 2013


    What an utterly vicious thing to write.

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