September 2013 Chemo Group

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  • JellyK
    JellyK Member Posts: 150
    edited October 2013


    Peacockgirl, I've had a hemorrhoid since I gave birth to my daughter, and it flares up every time I have a treatment. Unfortunately I don't really know the difference between those and fissures - if you're bleeding though I agree that a doc should take a look.


    So I'm on day 6 after my final AC tx, and I still feel like crap :-( It's funny though, I don't feel forlorn this time or like I can't cope, I'm just pissed off - theoretically Taxol will be easier SE-wise, I don't have to be strong or mentally resilient so I'm letting myself just hate it, lol. That said, I'm really hoping everyone is right about Taxol being easier...


    The hot flashes are officially out of control. My mom still has them, poor thing, and last night we were alternating hot flashes - I'd rip off my jacket and fan myself, then right as I was putting my jacket back on and shivering she'd rip off her sweater, lol. At least with these I can find humor in them. I do have a leg up on my mom - when I stick my head in the freezer I don't have hair to insulate, so it cools me off much faster :-)

  • mfm48
    mfm48 Member Posts: 110
    edited October 2013


    Hi All. Anyone out there having any rashes as an SE? I am 17 days from my 2nd chemo and just got the rash at the nape of my neck, on my ears, and sort of spreading to different areas. It is super itchy and Benadryl and creams are not helping it. Has anyone else dealt with this?

  • lighthouselady
    lighthouselady Member Posts: 752
    edited October 2013


    JellyK - I'm right there with you on the Taxol. I've heard so many people say that it's so much better than AC... I just hope I'm not the oddball and end up feeling worse since I feel like I've tolerated the AC fairly well. LOL


    mfm - I get a rash every time. It's usually on my face & neck, and VERY itchy. The nurse at my MO's office said that steroids can help because it's usually some kind of reaction to the chemo.


    I'm not sure what my issue is... you all are mentioning bleeding and hemorrhoids & anal fissures.... I have some blood with every bowel movement. None in my stool, just on the TP when I wipe, so I'm assuming it's just bleeding from the act of going. I haven't mentioned it to my doctor, but I did have an exam at the gynecological oncologist Thursday and she didn't see anything. I take Colace every day but it doesn't seem to help with the constipation (or maybe it does and I would just be REALLY bad off without it).


    I've been feeling pretty good. An annoying headache that comes & goes, and a little bit of a sore mouth/throat, but nothing awful.


    Question about those on Taxol or Taxotere and icing. If you are icing your hands/feet, how are you doing it? Since dose dense taxol has a high risk of neuropathy, I want to try icing to try to avoid a lot of that. Some people have said they bring bags of frozen peas, but I know the taxol infusion is at least several hours long. Will they last that long, or should I bring bags of ice? My AC infusions were only about 2.5 hours from start to finish, including premeds, so it's going to be a drag sitting there for chemo for 4-5 hours.

  • KBeee
    KBeee Member Posts: 5,109
    edited October 2013


    I bring a small cooler. I have bags of frozen oeas, which work best. They stay cold for my treatment, but I only use the, for about 2 hours of mine since I don't use it for the whole cytoxan. I always have packed lunch box sized ice packs in there too if needed, and whole bunch of bags of ice (which I usually end up pouring into my cup and munching). Between my cooler and my huge fleece blanket...our chemo room is freezing and the icing makes me colder...I feel like I am packing for a vacation, but I am beyond caring what people think, so I just walk in with my cooler and huge bag.


    I had a rash under my arms after treatment number 1. I have some sort of rash on my breasts right now which I am keeping an eye on. Unfortunately, I cannot feel it, so I only noticed it when I looked in the mirror after showering the other day. Oh...and tons of acne-like bumps all over my head... luckily more on my head than face. Thankful for hats and wigs.


    Knocking wood, but I have not had hot flashes yet. I am always freezing cold, so it will be a switch when they do hit.

  • Viji
    Viji Member Posts: 195
    edited October 2013


    Jellyk you are seriously funny! Thanks for the laugh.


    KbeeeI had a rash from tx#1 and thing that helped me was curash powder from the baby section. I am not waiting to get it again but dusting it on as a precaution.


    LHL i am the same in the toilet.


    Viji

  • SpecialK
    SpecialK Member Posts: 16,486
    edited October 2013


    lighthouse - icing doesn't really have any effect on neuropathy, it is for nail side effects. Neuropathy, while felt locally in the extremities, is really a neural pathway issue and icing won't help that. On the blood on the TP - keep in mind that chemo is damaging soft tissue so a little blood, particularly bright red, is most likely irritation. Do be sure to mention it to your onc though. I iced mt nails from the get go and just brought four bags of frozen peas. Laid a bag on each foot at the toes and then put a towel in my lap, kept the two bags of peas in a plastic bag and dug my fingertips into the bags of peas. I used the bags over again for each of the six tx, then let my husband throw them away after the last time in celebration since he lugged the cooler, lol! My Taxotere was about an hour long and I started icing right at the end of the pre-meds, and kept icing about 10 minutes into Carboplatin. I highly recommend going to the bathroom before you start! Also I brought a thermal cup with ice chips from home and tried to hold them in my mouth during the infusion to keep from getting mouth sores.

  • alfranco
    alfranco Member Posts: 200
    edited October 2013

    Feeling scared of not knowing what to expect with each drug or different se. I pray we all see less se each time.

  • Cougarlicious
    Cougarlicious Member Posts: 114
    edited October 2013


    PeacockGirl - try Miralax for the constipation, and a spoonful of blackstrap molasses for the hemorrhoids. I was taking Colace as well, but when I told my doc it wasn't helping, she told me that Miralax would do the trick...and she was right. There is also a Constipation thread that has other great remedies to try, but the combo of Miralax, Colace, and molasses (when the roids act up) work for me.

  • KBeee
    KBeee Member Posts: 5,109
    edited October 2013


    Cougarlicious, When is that sweet baby if yours coming??????

  • Cougarlicious
    Cougarlicious Member Posts: 114
    edited October 2013


    KBeee - induction date Nov 1! That's if he doesn't decide to come sooner, he's been hanging pretty low and my first also came early (at 37 weeks, when this one is scheduled to be induced). All the pregnancy hormones are starting to make me itch bad all over, so I'm hoping to deliver soon to get relief! :)

  • Miss_Mama_Bear
    Miss_Mama_Bear Member Posts: 252
    edited October 2013


    I don't think I have checked in since my treatment scare. The rest of the infusion went fine. Post-round#3 has been rough. I told myself that I got the side effects out of the way during treatment time. Haha. I felt really good the day after and decided I was just going to sail through it. That night I got the most horrible sternum pain ever from the Neulasta. I started Claritin two days pre-tx and even had taken some ibuprofen a few hours before the pain started because I felt a headache coming on. I ended up taking a whole Lortab (I usually only take half) and crying in bed until it begun to relent. Then Saturday I got nausea and vomiting. I couldn't even keep water down. I didn't think I was going to have an issue with this as I have only had to deal with heartburn so far. I am guessing it is either cumulative effect of ever changing side effects. Who knows.


    I think I am getting my first real signs of neuropathy. I had experienced this previously but very faintly. This time it is much more real. About half of my my hands on the pinky side are pretty desensitized and same for my feet. I also feel like a bull in a china cabinet like I am bumbling all over the place. I don't know if this warrants it's own doctor visit or if I just need to address it when I go in for my pre-chemo appt. Is there even anything they can do besides physical therapy and/or reducing future doses? Hopefully it will fade some as the days wear on.


    I had a hundred things to say as I was reading through here but didn't feel up to posting when I read them. Now I lost them all. I will try the Miralax. I started taking stool softener, prunes and Metamucil two days before treatment and still it immediately dried up any and all moisture in my body. It is like mummification, I swear! The ancient Egyptians could have benefited from chemo drugs in preserving their loved ones. Hey, isn't that what we are doing? Haha, sorry dark humor is my friend some times. Albeit, very dry humor.


    Nails- I heard a little tidbit about reducing the black nail/falling off effect. I heard that dark nail polish will help prevent that as it prevents UV rays from hitting the nail bed. I have no idea if it works. I did paint my nails really dark blue the last two infusions. I have yet to take it off though...I just painted over it the last time. I will do that today and report back.


    Oh yeah, and hot flashes SUCK!! I got woke up TEN times the other night from them! Combined with this horrible leg muscle pain and burning every time I move in the the night, I am not sleeping much. I was due to start yesterday and I am usually like clockwork so I am assuming it is definitely chemopause for me!

  • SpecialK
    SpecialK Member Posts: 16,486
    edited October 2013


    mamastewart - I used a supplement combination to try to control neuropathy - 30g of L-Glutamine, Vit B6, and 1500mg of Acetyl L-Carnitine. I did have mild tingling of feet, fingertips and tongue which resolved between each tx until #5. After that it stayed, but did resolve a couple of months after chemo ended. The danger with neuropathy is that it can be permanent, and life changing, so this is definitely a topic that should be addressed with your doc prior to the next tx. Dose reduction and drug change are both possibilities. There are meds that can be taken to help alleviate neuropathy if it does become permanent but I don't think any of them work particularly well and they have their own SEs.

  • PeacockGirl
    PeacockGirl Member Posts: 162
    edited October 2013


    thank you everyone for the bathroom tips...for my last A/C infusion this Friday while I am chewing ice perhaps I shall stick an ice cube up my butt as well. LOL! Calling onco today.


    Kbee- I am so impressed you are still running girl! I've got nothing left in my lungs ...it's like hitting the gas pedal and having your car do nothing. I'm still walking about 3 miles a day but that's all I can do. Taking a shower these days leaves me winded.


    Friday will be bitter sweet. Last A/C then on to taxol. I'm at the half way point. Kinda like when I finished the Las Vegas rock n roll half marathon last December. I ran the whole thing in 2:37 (my first half) with my husband trotting behind me (he's a serious runner, an ironman finisher even) and when we crossed the finish, me tired beyond belief and really limping with a hurt IT band in my right knee...he said 'now turn around and go all the way back to the finish and THAT is a marathon'. I couldn't even fathom doing it. Surely I could have...walking ...limping...crawling but it would not have been pretty. I'm feeling the same way about chemo..this turn around on Friday is going to be brutal. But I will do it.

  • Miss_Mama_Bear
    Miss_Mama_Bear Member Posts: 252
    edited October 2013


    Thanks SpecialK. I will have to try that. I don't know what my doc will say about it though. I think he is pretty mainstream for pharmaceutical remedies rather than natural ones. I will just put in a call today rather than go in. I am too tired. What about physical therapy or accupuncture especially if the issues are long-lasting? I am sure that insurance won't pay for either though, of course.

  • lighthouselady
    lighthouselady Member Posts: 752
    edited October 2013


    Peacockgirl - I had my last AC and will start taxol this Thursday. Even though I've been doing this for two months, I feel like a chemo newbie since I'm starting with a new drug. Who knows what Thursday will bring? I was really excited to get finished with AC though, because I dreaded the red devil so much. Try to look at the halfway point as a GOOD thing instead of having to go as far as you've already come.... think that every day after that point is a day closer to you not having to do that many days again! (If that makes sense coming from my chemo brain...LOL)


    So I have another stupid mouth sore on the side of my tongue. Chewing and swallowing is agony. Ugh. I'm taking L-Lysine daily, rinsing and brushing with Biotene multiple times a day and even have magic mouthwash. I don't know what else I can do. Ugh.


    Thursday is going to be a long day. Usually I see my MO on my off-chemo week, but he was on vacation last week. So I have labs, office visit and my first taxol infusion Thursday.


    Mamastewart - I had heard that about the dark nail polish, too, so I'm going to do my nails on Wednesday. I told hubby I might buy black and go goth... at least it's almost Halloween so maybe I wouldn't stand out too much. LOL

  • Miss_Mama_Bear
    Miss_Mama_Bear Member Posts: 252
    edited October 2013


    No nail issues what-so-ever to report! Fingers and toes all look perfectly normal.


    Lighthouse: did you hear that it is just for during infusion or all the time? I wasn't sure about that part. I just haven't taken my polish off because doing my nails was the last thing on my mind lately lol.

  • PeacockGirl
    PeacockGirl Member Posts: 162
    edited October 2013


    re: nails. Forgot to mention..I've NEVER had my nails look so good or grow so well. it's bizarre. I've had to cut them down TWICE since starting chemo 2 months ago. but then again i'm not doing anything ..no yard work, no banging around the gym with weights or doing heavy house chores like I usually do. I hear Taxol can be much different though. Going to go with the dark nail polish for sure.


    ps-thank you lighthouse for the pep talk. I really should look at it in those terms. Not that I have to go all the way back but that I am so much closer to the finish. You are exactly right. When I started this thing I new the last A/C would be around Halloween and that seemed sooooo far away. And it's already here. ;) I will be watching for you and reading closely how you fare on Taxol this week. I so hope the rumors are true and its' easier for all of us to endure than A/C.


    pps-I got the MALE onco nurse today to talk all about butts and bowel movements. hahaha. he complemented me on my "knowledge" and keeping on top of things. hahaha. oh and he made me remember how last week? ummm...I kinda over did things with the spicy. Like curry, tabasco, hot peppers etc. To try and cover up this metallic, dirty gym sock, sewer flavor that has taken up residence in my mouth. ((( sigh ))) ooops.

  • SpecialK
    SpecialK Member Posts: 16,486
    edited October 2013


    mamastewart - you need to clear those supplements with your onc before taking them. I would seriously doubt that acupuncture or PT would help - if it did people would be doing it, but peripheral neuropathy has been around as long as there have been diabetics and I have not heard of anyone doing either of those for relief.


    lighthouse - ask your onc for Caphosol for the mouth sores - it cleared mine in 48 hours. See if they can give you some pharmaceutical samples - my doc had some laying around so I didn't have to pay a co-pay.


    For nails - I painted mine dark for infusion day only - it is the light penetration to the nail bed during infusion that is the problem. I removed my polish the next day and started with daily coats of clear nail hardener. Painted a coat a day for seven days, removed with non-acetone remover and started over. The clear hardener came in a little pack with Biotene products from the maker of Taxotere, Sanofi-Aventis. I figured they must endorse this if they are putting the clear polish in the giveaway.

  • VintageGal1111
    VintageGal1111 Member Posts: 705
    edited October 2013


    MamaStewart


    I am doing the Mirilax & Colace too...trying to drink water, even have prunes. I am so paranoid after my ER visit for fecal impaction the weekend before. It is weird because usually any gastro issue for me usually would be diarrhea.


    Cougarlicious


    funny my friend told me to have a spoon of molasses in milk (ick) Her dr told her that for her kids decades ago.

  • SpecialK
    SpecialK Member Posts: 16,486
    edited October 2013


    Molasses is also good for an attempt to keep hemoglobin up during chemo.

  • VintageGal1111
    VintageGal1111 Member Posts: 705
    edited October 2013


    SpecialK


    Thanks....


    I just read about asking for Caphosol. I will tomorrow. These mouth sores have lasted a week & I go for chemo tomorrow. To add to the misery I have upper denture so the gum sores are under my plate & cause great irritation.


    I have used Biotene since my first treatment & also have Colgate (no alcohol) rinse for mouth sores. And use Anbesol.


    I may have added to the problem myself because I had orange juice & also eat fruit daily. I know that citric acid can cause sores to be worse.

  • mankatostate
    mankatostate Member Posts: 231
    edited October 2013


    Well, I did it I had my last chemo today. I finished...yay. Now let the SE begin...I am praying for a mild time this turn. I am also trying to remember what my husband says...This time your not working towards feeling better to have chemo again, but when you get better, your better!

  • alfranco
    alfranco Member Posts: 200
    edited October 2013

    Congratulations mankatostate.  You have crossed the finish line. 

  • 70charger
    70charger Member Posts: 963
    edited October 2013


    CELEBRATION time mankatostate!

  • Viji
    Viji Member Posts: 195
    edited October 2013


    Congrats mankatostate, well done and what an encouraging person your husband is.. wishing you minimal SEs...

  • josgirl
    josgirl Member Posts: 231
    edited October 2013

    Lengbeng - so sorry to here about your health scare.  Glad you are back here.  Sending strength to you.

    Manakostate - wow - can't wait to join you!  Congrats!

    SpecialK - totally echo the go to the bathroom first!!!  Even when I do I am hurting bad by the time they turn it off.   Just too stubborn to take off the icing pieces to go to the bathroom :)

    LHL - for what it is worth considering all our treatments are so different but my TC infusion only lasts 2.5 hours too (with premeds).  Is there something different with yours?  For the first one they did want to start the Taxotere slower but that only added like 5-10 min. Also ask your infusion center about the icing - mine had gloves and bags of ice for my feet.  Better than schleping your own in.

    For what it is worth my naturopath said that icing your fingers also helped prevent neuropathy.  Same idea as the cold caps - slow down the blood flow and less impact on that area.   Probably doesn't work for everyone and certainly we all have our own tendencies to some SEs over others but he told me the icing is twofold - neuropathy and nail protection. 

    Started my third fast - getting closer to being done.  Certainly this fasting has made chemo more difficult in the pre days but I have decided to treat myself to 3 big desserts in the weeks post chemo treatment (one for each fast day).  Gets me through it - that and not having major SE.  Not sure what I would have without the fasting but nervous to know. 

    Have my radiation onc consult tomorrow - will let you all know what I learn.  Will be nice just to get mentally prepared.  Not starting until december but I like time to process!

    Wishing everyone here good days!

  • hockeymommy
    hockeymommy Member Posts: 77
    edited October 2013


    yahoo mankatostate!!!!!! Congrats! So, today I had to run into the grocery store to grab a few things. While in there I started to have a hot flash, a flash like no other. I could feel it coming from my toes and work its way up to the top of my head. I had to rush over and stick my head into the ice cream freezer. At which point I look over and see an elderly couple starring at me, I smile and pretend to be reading the ingredients on the tubs of ice cream. To make it worse, while enduring my own personal summer I must have whipped off my hat and was completely bald in the freezer.....loll...... no wonder the couple were starring at me!

  • lighthouselady
    lighthouselady Member Posts: 752
    edited October 2013


    josgirl - I've heard the icing helps with neuropathy as well as nail issues, too. As for the timing... I asked the chemo nurse at my last AC infusion how long the taxol will be, and she told me that including premeds it'll probably be 4 hours or more. My AC + premeds was less than three hours, so that's a lot longer. I don't know why the taxol takes so long.


    hockeymommy - I'm sorry to LOL, but that's pretty funny! At least you were in the grocery store where you COULD stick your head in the freezer, right? :-) I hope you bought some ice cream while you were in there!


    mankatostate - WOOHOO!!!!!!! Congrats on being finished! Here's to a swift recovery with no SEs!

  • positivenegative
    positivenegative Member Posts: 106
    edited October 2013

    nice juli.  many great wome on this joourney;-)

  • positivenegative
    positivenegative Member Posts: 106
    edited October 2013

    welll sept chemo sisters...i have been doingg wweell with  txs but scans not ggood moved onto stage 4 with  ribb and lungg  mmets.   sorryy  or double letters   lost all feeeling  in both index and thumbs...darn SEs.  allso  found ouut i have ibc in aaddition too idc. well that''smy uupdatte.  was  a good day today withh  my mmondaaay chemo buds.  hhave aa good nigh

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