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  • Lav
    Lav Member Posts: 65
    edited October 2013


    Happy Birthday Imamom. Enjoy your weekend to the max!


    Lorrie so sorry about your mom. During my teens I use to have a love hate relationship with my mom too. I use to hate her because she could never understand me and somehow her attitude towards life was just so different still is at times. But moving to another continent altogether and after becoming a mother myself our relationship has changed. We still have our differences but shes my mom i still love her alot. Its the best thing your doing. Forgive and forget life is too short to hold grudges or to hold on to the past. Everyone comes into our life for a reason to teach us some lesson or the other. Think of her in that manner and send her your vibrations of love and forgiveness so she can move on and so can u.


    Rrefresca so sorry to hear that your rads have turned out so bad. Just try to thinm of yourself this time next year hopefully it will all be behind you and you should have healed well. Hugs your way.


    Happy weekend everyone!

  • karibari
    karibari Member Posts: 12
    edited October 2013


    Wanted to say hey to my Washington State neighbors - I'm in Maple Valley going to Swedish in Issaquah for treatment. It's comforting somehow to know you're close by :-)


    I'm doing the breath-hold snorkle thing too. I'm claustraphobic, so I freaked out in the simulation - but the tech was SO nice and we just kept trying until I felt comfortable.


    13 of 33 for me today - I'm red and raw - but doing okay with the calendula & aloe vera... plus I scheduled a massage with the oncology certified therapist - wow - I felt soooo good after!! The first one is free - hoping my RO will give me a prescription for more. I had no idea how much tension I was holding in my neck & shoulders.


    Do any of you gals who had chemo have trouble with your finger & toenails? The poison or whatever it is, is finally working its way up through the nailbed and driving me crazy. I'm trying to leave it alone - but it's tough!


    Hope everybody has a very relaxing and wonderful weekend - hugs to you all - you inspire and amaze me!!

  • L2girl
    L2girl Member Posts: 113
    edited October 2013


    hi all,


    I just finished 23/30 on the right, and started 2/30 on the left side. We also did not treat both sides at same time bec. it might double side effects, so I am just now starting doing both at once, so there are a couple weeks of overlap. Last weekend, (before ever starting the left side) the fatigue was terrible. I felt like a basket case. So tired, and I burst out into tears more times than I could count all last weekend. RO was going to start other side on Monday, but after talking to me, he said, why not wait a few days and think about it. It was totally up to me. I could even wait and do 12 weeks if I wanted, but that is a long time, and it will start stretching into holidays, etc.


    Last weekend, I felt like I would never feel good again, and that fatigue and cancer had gotten the best if me, but by Wednesday I felt back to "normal" (whatever that is now), so I felt good about starting left side rads on Thursday. So far so good, except for nipple pain and itching on right side. It hurts too much to even rub anything on, but I need to. I am still waiting for the double whammy of fatigue, but so far it hasn't hit me.


    I finally noticed how hard going through treatment seems to be emotionally. Last weekend I did a lot of reading about how to cope with fatigue during treatment. One thing that kept coming up was about asking others to help, and not try to do it all myself. At first, it didn't sink in. But then I read what many of you were saying on these boards, and realized that I too was trying to be superwoman. I did not feel I could ask my family to help out. Finally, after one of my many crying outbursts, I talked to my husband and college aged kids about it, and they really seemed to be understanding. They said they would definitely try to help more. Afterwards, I felt so relieved, and so much better for talking to them about it, but it took a lot for me to relinquish that control. I have always been told I am a strong person, but last week I finally realized, I am not superwoman! I am not infallible. But I do feel a lot better this week. To anyone going through those emotions, hang in there. It does get better again :)

  • Rainyday13
    Rainyday13 Member Posts: 29
    edited October 2013
    Hello Karibari..I am in Everet and being treated at the Providence cancer center. I will start next week. Finally!!!!! I will also have to do the snorkel technique. I had a big hassel with my insurance company. They did not want to approve this and I had to file an appeal. The idiots didn't understand what ths technique was for. But it is all good now and I am ready. Sorry to hear about the claustraphobia. I don't know how I will do, sometimes I can have issues with that too. I hope it is going to get easier for you.
  • SophiaMarie
    SophiaMarie Member Posts: 352
    edited October 2013


    L2girl, I'm glad to hear your comments on this being emotional. I dread weekends because it tends to catch up with me. During the week it's made me so busy that I'm just running the whole time. But even so, it's surprising how something small will choke me up. It's always just under the surface. I'm trying desperately to have some control over my life, but I feel like whatever I do have is slipping. Funny that people around me think I'm fine. I'm sitting in my room right now, putting on my "I'm just fine" exterior so I can go out and face my house full of company. (Though "superwoman" here had to go to bed at 9:30 because she was falling over exhausted). I'm not even halfway through yet. I appreciate the reminders to be more open to help.


    You know what keeps coming to my mind? A woman gets this devastating disease, it's so personal and terrifying, and comfort and nurturing would be so welcome and therapeutic. But we drive ourselves to the drs and we get slashed, burned, and poisoned. And we're supposed to be glad they did/are doing this to us because its what will save us. It's just kind of hard for me to embrace this. Every week I have to ask my ro to explain again why this is a GOOD thing, and she gives me all the convincing stats. It carries me for a couple of days and I begin slipping again as all of my energy goes to keeping up with all of this.

  • L2girl
    L2girl Member Posts: 113
    edited October 2013


    hi, sophiemarie,


    I totally understand what you mean about putting on the "I'm just fine" exterior, or as I like to call it, "putting on my happy face". But I finally came to the realization that doing that is just so hard. You know what I think helped me most last weekend when I finally talked to my husband and kids was not so much that they understood I needed them to help out more, but that for once I actually let my guard down and let them see me without my happy face on. Sometimes I think we put so much energy into protecting others, it is at our own expense. It felt so therapeutic to actually talk to them about my feelings and my fears! I guess I realized that it can expect them to be a true support if I don't let them inside. I think at least they have a better understanding of where I'm coming from, even if they can never really understand first-hand like people on these boards do.


    As a side note, at my RO office, they gave me papers to request information from the American Cancer Society. Last week a volunteer called me, just to talk and ask how I was doing. She asked about my support system, etc. she also said it was especially important to ask others for help. I was so happy to hear from her, I just felt like I wanted to cling on to her and not let her go! She followed up with a letter this past week, which mentioned some of the things we talked about, so I know it was not just a form letter. She also told me you can call the 1800 number or go to their website, to talk one-on-one to a volunteer who has survived breast cancer. Or they can put you in touch with support programs in your area. They are available 24/7. I am thinking about calling, because even though I am feeling a lot better, some extra support couldn't hurt! (Sorry, I don't mean to sound like a commercial for the ACS, but I was jut happy to find them.)


    Someone on these boards also mentioned asking for a cancer social worker for more help. I wasn't sure where to look. But if I ever feel I need to, I suppose I could ask the RO office.


    Anyway, here's to another week ahead for all of us radiant ladies! Stay positive and be good to yourselves. We will all get through this!

  • Bounce
    Bounce Member Posts: 574
    edited October 2013


    I am going to do my simulation tomorrow afternoon.


    I can't imagine lying still with my arms up for 20 minutes to half an hour but I'm glad to be beginning the process because it means I will be one day closer to finishing. I am guessing that as long as they don't play jazz music I will make it through OK. If I hear any jazz there is going to be quite a lot of objections on my part. (Seriously ladies, I am not stressing about the music choice just looking for a laugh.)


    When I was having my MRI done one of the songs I heard was Bob Dylan's Knock Knock Knocking On Heaven's Door. It was all I could do not to laugh. What a song to play while someone is having a cancer diagnosing test. I kept thinking what I would do if they played "Another One Bites the Dust".


    MsP - you must be almost finished. A special thanks to you for linking the words radiation and radiance in my mind forever.


    RMlulu - thanks for your attitude - "Battle cry! Rah and your energy.


    Ruthblu - I walked faster and further today than I thought was possible and you helped get me started.


    I have learned so much from you ladies (and many more who I have not mentioned by name because I can't remember exactly how to spell your user names without going back and checking).


    Hopefully my big girl panties wont fall off and embarrass me when the tattoo person arrives!

  • L2girl
    L2girl Member Posts: 113
    edited October 2013


    bounce, you crack me up! Another one bites the dust...


    Anyway, I'm sure your big girl panties will stay pulled up nice and tight when you get your tats. In my case, the girls who did the simulation also gave me the tats. She said they wouldn't hurt, but the first one I swear she poked me in the rib bone, but the other two were nothing. She actually felt very bad and said that doesn't usually happen.


    Btw, if you are at all modest, this is probably the most breast baring appt. In my case, only the girl who did the simulation and the RO had to be in the room and see my naked breasts. But thankfully, at all of my radiation sessions I get to keep the gown on. Luckily, too, because my techs are two young guys. Except for them having to lift my gown up enough to see the tats every day, that is it. They are also careful to pull the gown back down to cover me after. I am grateful for that, because it does feel very vulnerable to be in that position.


    Anyway, I know you'll do just fine, because you can find the humor in everything. But I'll be there in your pockets, just in case :)

  • MsPharoah
    MsPharoah Member Posts: 1,034
    edited October 2013


    Bounce...too too funny about the Dylan song playing during your biopsy. I am still chuckling..you're definitely getting big laughs from me.


    You are right....I have two more boosts...then I am done. I am already starting to heal in the formerly radiated areas and am quite comfortable. I feel lucky that I have done so well and hope that for all of you! At my center, they give you a certificate of completion.


    Have a wonderful weekend. Soon I will be fully radiant and will be cheering you all on!


    MsP

  • Jo6202
    Jo6202 Member Posts: 372
    edited October 2013


    Bounce, you made me laugh...another one bites the dust...great sense of humor you have. I had my simulation and tats already. I was told to practice putting my arms above my head because it would be about 45 minutes. I was surprised to find they had stirrups for my arms so very comfortable and total time including tats was 10 minutes. I asked about that because I had taken a pain pill ahead of time and had no pain at all (wasted a pill). They said they always give the worse case scenario because sometimes people get emotional or claustrophobic and they have to stop for a bit. Only the RO and the female tech who also did the three tiny tattoos were in the room. I only felt two of the tattoos and it was nothing compared to all the other crap we have been put through. Very,very doable!

  • Teachersbc123
    Teachersbc123 Member Posts: 34
    edited October 2013


    I am so glad I found all of you early on! I am 10 away from being done and I can't wait to say I HAD breast cancer! I'm done! For those wondering what to expect, I truly believe every person has an individual experience. My right boob is scarlet red but not uncomfortable and I'm 23 out or 33 in. I had a very weary week last week but after three days off from radiation and work over Columbus Day weekend, I have felt great even though my elderly father had been in the hospital. My last boost is November 1st and I have a weekend shopping trip planned with 6 wonderful friends for that weekend. I'm thinking about bringing celebration leis into radiation on my last day.

  • anne11595
    anne11595 Member Posts: 101
    edited October 2013

    Bounce,when I had my stimulation my hands and arms went numb. My right arm which is my good arm was the worst. Finally I had to make them stop and put my arms down. They had to put them down ,I could not move them. But everyone is different. Hopefully you will have no problem. I wish you a lot of luck! 

  • Lav
    Lav Member Posts: 65
    edited October 2013


    So nice to hear that alot of you are finishing. MsPharaoh dont desert us! Your such an inspiration and really help give alot of us a much needed boost. I actually spend alot of time reading everyones post.


    Thank you so much for sharing. Had a quiet weekend at home. Just hoping the rest of d weeks go by like the first week.


    SophieMarie I know what you mean sometimes instead of the one being in charge you want someone to be in charge of u. Just pampering u loving u and being there for u.


    I just hope you feel better soon. Sometimes its better to stop putting on the your fine smile because it all tends to catch up and when you burst it will be bad for your relationship. We as mothers as wives have always done the nurturing and giving d extra attention. Sometimes its but fair especially at a time like this to expect others to do the nurturing. Just that we are not the type to openly come out and tell anyone that. Ends up making us more miserable n sick in d process..


    Wishing all of you a radiant week ahead. For those that are nearing the end bless us and pray for us beginners!

  • kirklandgal
    kirklandgal Member Posts: 63
    edited October 2013


    Bounce - I really needed a laugh today. Thank you for the humor ...


    Karibari and RainyDay - It is nice knowing that you are both so close by.


    Throat Pain Question - I am now 4/26 and am having some throat discomfort, especially on the left side. Is anyone else that is having supraclavicular radiation having that problem. I know the left side of my esophagus is in the field. If anyone else had this problem, how bad did it get over the weeks of treatment?


    I agree about what everyone is saying about not letting people see how difficult this really is. I am very tired of being superwoman. Just today, one of my relatives said they were surprised by how much energy I have. Energy? Me? What are they talking about? I'm completely exhausted! Apparently I'm really good at putting up an artificial exterior for others to see. When people ask how I'm doing, I usually answer with "I'm taking it one day at a time." If I answered with an "I'm fine" I'd be lying. Sooooo tired!!!


    Thank you all for the words of wisdom. Just knowing that there are others who are farther along that me and are doing okay is keeping me going right now.

  • bikergirl
    bikergirl Member Posts: 112
    edited October 2013


    Lisa-


    I finished chemo almost 4 weeks ago and start rads tomorrow. Still have some periods of fatigue. Worried that fatigue from rads will make it worse. We will see. We will get through this. I can't be as bad as chemo, right?

  • bikergirl
    bikergirl Member Posts: 112
    edited October 2013


    Teacher-


    I start tomorrow and am a little anxious. Already went through 4 chemo treatments=almost 4 weeks out from last treatment. I am encouraged that you are doing well with your rads. Am praying it goes as well as it can.


    Hope all have a good week.

  • jbdayton
    jbdayton Member Posts: 700
    edited October 2013


    Bikergirl hope your first treatment went great.


    Lav praying for you and all the other beginners


    Kirklandgal I hope the throat issues gets resolved I do not know much about the throat issues I am not getting radiation to that area. Keep us posted.


    Karibari I lost both my big toenails and had 2 loose fingernails that managed to stay on. Toenails have grown back in about half way and fingernails have totally recovered. I finished chemo on June 23 so you will have to be patient. Hope you can keep yours while they grow out.


    I am going today for #9 of 25 so far so good. I guess that makes me a middle of the roader by end of this week :)


    For everyone finishing; congrats hope all went well now you can recover from that.


    Hope everyone has a great day.

  • Bounce
    Bounce Member Posts: 574
    edited October 2013


    Simulation is done.


    I thought I would be interested in the technical details but turns out when I am half naked I feel more like a scared kid than an inquiring mind!


    3 technicians positioned me and I asked if they should use some sort of sheilding device for my thyroid. They assured me no radiation would reach it - then they told me to lie still and almost ran out the room to hide in safety in a different room. Cowards! My thyroid was in no danger but they had to retreat to another room. 6 meters away by the door wasn't far enough away - they had to leave the room. :-)


    I can't even see one of the three tattoo dots - I hope it is actually there. Has anyone ever had to redo a tat?


    Anyway - I'd like to thank you all for coming with in my pockets because as the CT started I could see a light spinning around and I felt like I was in a washing machine and I seriously wanted to stop lying quietly and shout a bit. I thought of you ladies and what you might be doing - and I could hear you giving me advice - close your eyes idiot (you don't mince words) breathe slowly, it will be over soon .... and it was. The entire process took less than 15 minutes.


    Hugs

  • honeybair
    honeybair Member Posts: 746
    edited October 2013


    Believe me, all modesty will disappear when you undergo rads. There are so many techs where I go for treatment and most of them are male. Know they have seen it all before but not my own" all before". Just more discomfort to endure besides being inside or under the cooker. I have done 11 treatments with 14 more to go. I have cried more over radiation than I ever did chemo. Don't know why. My tears are just below the surface at all times. Anyone else feel this way? On a positive note, I have the sweetest RO ever. She is incredible.

  • cakes
    cakes Member Posts: 157
    edited October 2013


    When I was going through radiation (done last Wed) I had my head turned to the right as they were radiating my left-side. There were a few times when tears would start to flow out of my right eye ???; there was nothing I could do but lie there and suck it up. I guess sometimes is just gets a little overwhelming. That is when I would go to my happy place and pretend I was at the beach lying in the sun. Find your "happy place".......it makes the process much more tolerable.


    Kirklandgirl - I did/do have issues with my throat and found rinsing with Biotène dry mouth rinse and not rinsing with water after so a little bit flowed down my throat, was soothing. My dental office gave me the Biotène when they found out I was going through radiation but I am sure you can find it at Target or any drugstore. Drink lots of water too. Let me know if this works for you.


    Keep us in your pocket beautiful ladies.


    ((((Hugs)))

  • jbdayton
    jbdayton Member Posts: 700
    edited October 2013


    Bounce I know exactly how you feel. Simulation was probably the most uncomfortable appointment of the entire journey. It is over and treatment is soon to start. I agree with Honeybair the treatments are hard having to lay exposed but I am now pretty used to it.


    I just completed 9 of 25 and am waiting to see the RO.


    Good luck and we will be in your pockets for the duration.


    (((HUGS)))

  • SophiaMarie
    SophiaMarie Member Posts: 352
    edited October 2013


    I just love reading all of your comments. It's so nice to know that someone else understands! I've tried to go to my happy place when I'm there, but so far I've only gotten to leave for a second at a time. I just love when they cover me with warm blankets though - that helps melt me a bit and feels more safe. I cope with it by being chatty with the techs. Some are more chatty than others - it helps when they are. Mondays have been hard for me though. I seems to get my skin back to looking ok, and the sore spots lessen - and then we start over again. And this is the week they keep telling me I will start to see changes - so that makes me a little anxious. I'm hoping to prove them wrong!


    I have to ask... Not always, but sometimes in the rad waiting room, there's a woman or two that obviously had chemo. I can't help but feel a little guilty to be there with my hair! When I read what some of you had gone through with chemo, I feel sick for you. I feel like I should hide my hair so I don't make anyone feel bad because I didn't have to experience the horror that they did. Does it bother you to see women there with hair when you're in your scarf? I almost feel like I didn't pay my dues. Am I being too weird? I give you ladies a lot of credit - you are incredible!

  • MsPharoah
    MsPharoah Member Posts: 1,034
    edited October 2013


    SophiaMarie, this isn't a contest to see who can endure the most harsh treatment. I for one, am happy that there are women who are able to forgo chemo. Had my oncotype score been low, I would have happily skipped it. This is a horrid disease, no matter the diagnosis and treatment. We do what we have to do and we try to find a new normal when our treatment is done. Haven't you endured enough??? Here's what I want you to do, oh positively radiant one.....smile real big, toss your beautiful hair from side to side and know that all of us wearing wigs are saying.....YOU GO GIRL! (And oh, by the way, my wig is so much nicer than my old hair!).


    Love and hugs!


    MsP

  • Jo6202
    Jo6202 Member Posts: 372
    edited October 2013


    MsP - I am suppose to get my oncotype DX results on Thursday but today I got a notice from my insurance co. (BC/BS) that they do not cover the cost of the test which is $4,300.00. Did insurance pay for your test? I'm just wondering because I want to appeal their decision but don't want to bang my head against a brick wall if most insurance companies don't cover it.

  • FierceBluebird
    FierceBluebird Member Posts: 758
    edited October 2013


    I'm pretty sure just thinking about radiation causes ones nerve cells to react! This is month 10 in my treatment and rads were supposed to be easy-peasy compared to chemo and surgery but I'm just not feeling the groove yet. I think I'm just so worn out that my nerves are shot. Cakes, I leak often while on the table, also out of my right eye since I'm turned to the right.


    I have neuropathy from chemo and Gabopentin (Neurontin) helped a lot. My neuropathy didn't flare up until after I was finished chemo.


    My simulation was over two hours and since then most days my treatments run about 50 minutes. Holding a slightly twisted position with my arm over my head is torture. You would think it gets easier but it doesn't. Today my entire left side cramped up and trying to pull my arm back down almost brought me to tears again.


    I'm only on day 6 and just want to cry thinking about the next treatment. It's hard to be radiant!

  • SophiaMarie
    SophiaMarie Member Posts: 352
    edited October 2013


    Aw thank you MsP. Standing here with my gnarled boob, slathered with healing oils, waiting to leave for my acupuncture appt (3rd appt today) with tears streaming down my face. Yes, I have gone through enough. But I really feel for all of you that have endured even more.


    Jo, I got the same letter saying it was denied (from the oncotype lab) - but they said they were going to appeal. If still denied, they said they had a financial plan to help me pay, and that it could possibly even be lowered or excused, depending on our income. So far I haven't heard any more from them (and hoping I don't!)

  • jbdayton
    jbdayton Member Posts: 700
    edited October 2013


    Go to www.oncotypedx.com and click on the insurance tab. It says most insurance covers the test.


    I would definitely appeal.


    I hope this helps.

  • MsPharoah
    MsPharoah Member Posts: 1,034
    edited October 2013


    JO6202.....contact Genomics who do the test and ask them to intervene on your behalf with BCBS. My insurance company denied the test initially but Genomics was able to have them reconsider. Genomics also told me if they were unsuccessful in getting the insurance co to pay....they would provide me with a reduced cost and a payment plan.....Apparantly it is quite common for insurers to deny initially. Call asap and don't give up!!


    MsP

  • MsPharoah
    MsPharoah Member Posts: 1,034
    edited October 2013


    Bluebird, I sure wish we could all reach out and hug you. You have been through hell! I can't imagine being on the radiation table for 50 minutes or having simulation take over two hours. It is impossible for anyone to compare one cancer treatment to another and say that one is easier. It is all relative and you are right....you are exhausted. Maybe radiation wouldn't be so difficult if you did it before surgery or chemo. You will never know. You were always radiant, Bluebird...you only need to finish your radiation to get your certificate!!!


    Love,


    MsP

  • Jo6202
    Jo6202 Member Posts: 372
    edited October 2013


    Bluebird, so sorry to hear your simulation was so terrible. I can't imagine keeping my arms up for that long. Hugs to you.


    MsP, Jeannine, SophiaMarie-Thanks for the insurance help. I will definitely appeal!

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