DCIS mastectomy and no tamoxifen?

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beatrice00
beatrice00 Member Posts: 103


My final pathology report did not show any cancer in my breasts besides the initial DCIS spot. The doctor said that during my initial biopsy it was almost completely removed and there was almost nothing left at the time of my BMX. I asked if I could see a medical oncologist and she said I did not need to see one and that I won't have to take any tamoxifen. Is this possible? No appointment with an MO and no further treatments with tamoxifen? I'm confused. It sounds great, but I'm not sure how to proceed.

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  • Beesie
    Beesie Member Posts: 12,240
    edited October 2013


    You could see an oncologist, but the oncologist will likely only confirm what the surgeon said. With good surgical margins after a BMX, your risk of a recurrence or new cancer is only 1% - 2%. Tamoxifen would be able to cut that risk in half but with such a low risk to begin with, your total benefit from Tamoxifen would at most be a 1% risk reduction (if your risk started at 2%, Tamox could take it to 1%). Tamoxifen comes with a 1% - 3% risk of very serious side effects, and about a 50% - 60% chance of quality of life side effects. So given that you had just DCIS (which cannot develop into mets), and given that you had a BMX and therefore have such a low remaining risk, you would in effect be putting your overall health in greater danger by taking Tamoxifen than by not taking it.


    If you had invasive cancer and faced the risk of mets, then the benefit vs. risk equation would be quite different and in all likelihood Tamoxifen would be recommended. Or if you had just DCIS but had positive or very close margins after your MX, then your recurrence risk would be higher and that might be enough to warrant taking Tamoxifen. But as it is, there really is no reason why you should be taking Tamoxifen. And if you aren't taking Tamoxifen and have no more treatments, there is no reason to see an oncologist.


    Hope that makes sense!

  • Tdickinson
    Tdickinson Member Posts: 35
    edited October 2013


    I too had only DCIS in final path and had a BMX. I had seen an Oncologist before and followed up after to be told no further treatment needed. The BMX took care of everything, no radiation, no tamoxifen!

  • beatrice00
    beatrice00 Member Posts: 103
    edited October 2013


    That's wonderful. Did the MO mention supression of er/pr, was it even brought up? I have a long way to menopause and I am very positive for er/pr so I am worried.

  • ballet12
    ballet12 Member Posts: 981
    edited October 2013


    Hi Beatrice, because your diagnosis was DCIS, which as you know is non-invasive, you don't have the risk of metastatic disease. That is what Beesie was talking about when she talked about individuals with invasive breast cancer taking tamoxifen after bmx. They are taking it to suppress the hormonal activity which might spur on metastasis or breast cancer in the small amount of remaining breast tissue. While there a small number of individuals with DCIS who do get recurrence despite the low risk, the risks of the side effects of the Tamoxifen probably outweigh the risks of recurrence in your case. There may have been reasons why they had the increased risk, such as narrow surgical margins (or no margins). If you try to pretty much eliminate the risk of bc, you take the chance of increasing your risk of endometrial cancer or deep vein thrombosis or other possible serious side effects. Plus, there may be unpleasant day to day side effects. If someone has the risk of metastasis or higher risk of recurrence of invasive disease, then it is worth taking the chances of serious and life style side effects with Tamoxifen. I hope this helps. The thing is, whatever treatments we choose, we always have to walk away with some uncertainty.

  • LAstar
    LAstar Member Posts: 1,574
    edited October 2013


    Same for me -- no rads, no tamoxifen. I've seen a couple of MOs but no one thinks I need to be followed or even have any regular imaging done. It makes me nervous too! I established care with a MO and had a recent lump (turned out to be an oil deposit from scar-tissue necrosis), so I was glad that I had someone to see if something comes up. Otherwise, he told me to let him know if I have any unexplained pain. :/

  • Mgster
    Mgster Member Posts: 91
    edited October 2013


    I am scheduled for a first visit with an oncologist to discuss Tamoxifen. In June I had a MX of the left breast with reconstruction. DCIS was totally removed and right breast has been clear all along. My breast surgeon recommends I take it to "make sure the right breast stays healthy". Anxious to hear if the oncologist agrees that I take it for five years.

  • beatrice00
    beatrice00 Member Posts: 103
    edited October 2013


    LAstar- thank you for giving me the idea to establish a connection with an oncologist anyway. I set up an appointment just to go over statistics in my case. This way I can always call her if somethings comes up.

  • jmb5
    jmb5 Member Posts: 532
    edited October 2013


    I see most of you posting here have had mastectomies for DCIS. Wondering if you can tell me how you came to that decision. I had DCIS in 2009, and there are new pleomorphic calcifications in the same spot the DCIS was 4 years ago. My radiologist said there's about a 40% chance it's a recurrence. (It was about a 20% chance of cancer 4 years ago. Ha!) So I meet with my surgeon Monday and will schedule a biopsy. I know it might be nothing, but I just have a bad feeling, and am starting to consider what my course of action will be if it is cancer again. I had a biopsy in my other breast 2 years ago, so this is the third one in 4 years. I do not want to continue to go through this, so if it's cancer, I'm thinking a mastectomy might be a good choice for me. Any thoughts/advice?

  • rita36
    rita36 Member Posts: 8
    edited October 2013


    jmb5- I had DCIS and decided on mastectomy based on the large area affected vs the size of my breast. As my breast surgeon said removing that area would basically be like a partial mastectomy anyway. Also like you said I didn't want to go through this again. My oncologist said mastectomy was my best chance at curing myself. I'm only 36 so the chance that it could reoccur in my lifetime was too much of a chance for me to take. I had my surgery 8 days ago and while this last week has been rough, I don't regret my decision. Good luck with your decision!

  • beatrice00
    beatrice00 Member Posts: 103
    edited October 2013


    Jmb5- I didn't consider anything except BMX so my decision came easy. I have very young kids. Good luck to you.

  • Annette47
    Annette47 Member Posts: 957
    edited October 2013


    Jmb5 - hoping that your results will be B9, but I was told after choosing lumpectomy and radiation that if the cancer came back in that same breast my only option would be MX. I guess then the decision would have to be unilateral or bilateral.

  • Beesie
    Beesie Member Posts: 12,240
    edited October 2013


    jmb5, I had a MX because I had no choice about it - too much DCIS in too small a breast. If I'd had a choice, I would have gladly had a lumpectomy + rads, or even a lumpectomy without rads, if the surgical margins were wide enough. So I didn't decide to have a MX; it was thrust upon me.


    I believe, as Annette noted, that after a lumpectomy + rads, because rads can't be done again, a MX is the only option (or, I suppose, one could opt for a lumpectomy without rads). But personally even if that wasn't the case, for me a second diagnosis would change things. At that point, I would figure that my breast tissue is a friendly environment for cancer cells, and I would opt for a MX.


    Good luck with the biopsy results. Hopefully it's benign!

  • danawp
    danawp Member Posts: 99
    edited October 2013


    Same, I didnt choose the MX. 15 cm of DCIS in one breast required an MX. I did choose BMX. I would have needed a reduction on the left breast so I decided to go with the BMX instead. Good luck.

  • toni67
    toni67 Member Posts: 62
    edited July 2014

    Same for me. MX was the only option for me, multi-focal in the breast. No Tamoxifen for me either.

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