September 2013 Chemo Group

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  • 70charger
    70charger Member Posts: 963
    edited October 2013


    Big soft hugs to ALL this morning! We are all one day closer to the end of this crap! Keep this in mind as we push through one more day. One minute/ hour/day at a time. There is an end to it. Don't look too far ahead. Look down at your feet if the end its too far ahead for you to see it. Before you know it today too will be in our rearview mirror.

  • PeacockGirl
    PeacockGirl Member Posts: 162
    edited October 2013


    it's official. I *hate* Neulasta! I know it works because it's keeping my counts high and keeping me healthy enough for this dose dense regimen I'm on.... but dang the side effects are hideous! Jaw pain, sternum pain, rib pain with deep breaths, swollen lymphs in neck and throat and just feeling like you've been beaten by a hammer. Like clockwork, every Sunday after Neulasta that I get on Saturday. For about 24-36 hours. Now I know why the nurse told me about some women who refuse the last Neulasta shot with their final chemo. (for the record she said it's a terrible idea because you risk getting sick but I understand now why some would refuse it when no more chemo is coming). At least this round my onco prescribed me some oxycodone for pain and it has helped somewhat. I've also discovered that Xanax keeps me from going down the very angry 'roid rage hole in my head. All hail to more pharmeceuticals. :(


    I also experienced the hideous chemical "flavor" in my mouth when they flushed my port this round. Like I *never* want to taste that again. Any recommendations on what to combat that with? Mint? Cinnamon? Ginger? Lemon? What flavor would best overpower that nasty saline taste? (( shudder ))

  • Miss_Mama_Bear
    Miss_Mama_Bear Member Posts: 252
    edited October 2013


    PeacockGirl: I hear ya! This last round I had a second round of Neulasta side effects at like day 14! They went away and then came back again. I had a needle size point in my hip bone that was a level 10 pain (and I am a no epidural child birth kind of girl) that hit every 30 seconds at times. Grrrr. Necessary evil though, I guess. Thanks for the roid rage tip. I think I may have had that issues as well. Luckily I have Xanax in my cabinet. Will need to be getting some more Lortabs though for next round.... And here is a link to the port taste issue: http://community.breastcancer.org/forum/6/topic/759622 My ears pop any time they access my port. It is just the first time in a setting but it has happened every time. Everyone tells me they have never heard of that.


    Doc says they muscle pain is hormonal. I guess that possibly confirms that I am in chemopause? She told me to take a Tums or something else with calcium in it. Hmmmm who would have thought? I sure hope it works!

  • ML40
    ML40 Member Posts: 50
    edited October 2013


    I'm feeling more like myself and went for a walk. I couldn't do my usual 3 mile walk, before chemo, but did walk. It's day 14 and my hair has started shedding. I thought I was prepared, my daughter has been cutting my hair shorter every week and giving me different hair style, but I still got emotional in the shower. Made a appointment at a salon that offers a clean shave & wig for cancer patients for only $20. Going to stick to my plan to shave my head cause once it starts shedding cause I don't want to deal with hair all over the place.


    I know I'm the newbie here, cause my first round was on Sept 30 and it kick my butt. Thank you ladies for all your post you are all giving me hope.

  • Ekaterina
    Ekaterina Member Posts: 34
    edited October 2013


    ML40 So glad you are feeling more like yourself.


    I have my round 2 of TC tomorrow and feeling nervous but so glad I will be halfway through.


    We can do this ladies!!! We can, with each other, one step at a time we can do it!!


    Love and light K

  • hockeymommy
    hockeymommy Member Posts: 77
    edited October 2013


    hi ladies, I am jumping on the CHEMO SUCKS wagon too!! We had our Thanksgiving dinner this weekend and couldn't taste a thing....yuck!!! I echo the pond water taste!!! Soon this will all be in the rear view mirror!! One foot in front of the other......

  • Miss_Mama_Bear
    Miss_Mama_Bear Member Posts: 252
    edited October 2013


    OH!!! Fasting news! After my first chemo (no fasting) my ALT levels (indicating tissue damage within the body) were more than double what the high end of the range allowed for...remember that? The results this time after #2 and fasting: within range! Range was 0-33 and I had 22. That is much better than 72! I won't say that I necessarily had much reduced side effects other than my hair started growing, my skin didn't get that horrible "bad peel" layer of painful dried skin, and my mouth was less sore, but I am still taking it for a win. Even if I didn't have a noticeable reduction in side effects and some things were actually worse (more so from Neulasta), if it is reducing the damage to my body at a cellular level, it is worth it to me. I am not fasting this time because I am sick though. I just didn't think it would be a good idea, but next time I will for sure. This way I will also have another non-fasting infusion for comparison as well.

  • JellyK
    JellyK Member Posts: 150
    edited October 2013


    Mamastewart, in response to your comment about your kids and surgery, I just want to chime in and say that I had surgery first - with recon - and after the first 2 weeks I could hold my kids in my lap. My 3 year old had to learn how to stop before she got to me and THEN hug me or climb up, but as long as they were gentle I could handle it. And after maybe 3-4 weeks I could carry my 3 year old as long as she stood up on something to start - I couldn't lift her from the ground until 6 weeks I think. You should do what feels right at that time of course, but even if your recovery is tough (mine was), you can still hold your kids and snuggle with them next to you :-)

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited October 2013


    AlFranco - palms and soles of your feet turn darker with some chemo meds especially AC and Taxol. This usually only happens to women of color: African-descent, Latinas, some Asians BUT it can happen to anyone.


    Best, V

  • Viji
    Viji Member Posts: 195
    edited October 2013


    ML40, good to hear from you-was wondering what happened to you.Glad you are getting better.


    Thank you 70Charger for your uplifting words.


    Had to spend 8 hours in the hospital today for treatment #2. 3 hours to get the blood test results and see the oncologist. The rest for TCH. Didn't expect the H but apparent the medication had arrived.


    Feel bloaty, extremely tired and sleepy but have to stay up to take meds.


    Take care everyone and one foot forward....


    Viji

  • Miss_Mama_Bear
    Miss_Mama_Bear Member Posts: 252
    edited October 2013


    That is great news JellyK! Thank you for that. I was really worried about all that. I hate the thought of not being able to cuddle and hold them for long periods of time, especially with how ever many months/years of reconstruction looming after the mx. I've actually considered forgetting about about the whole reconstruction thing so that I can just get it all over and done with, from their perspective anyway. My oldest is 63 pounds though, so I don't know what I am going to do with him. I am expecting at least 6 months before I can lift him. Maybe longer because I am thinking I will have to do exercise to build my muscles back up as well. Hopefully I can coordinate with several different nursing companies and have most of his waking hours covered. It is just hard to find nurses who will even work with him because they don't like lifting.


    I think this cold is turning to bronchitis. I saw the doc yesterday but she said that it seemed viral, no antibiotic, lots of fluids, etc etc. It has gotten worse overnight though. I am coughing up big green chunks of stuff (sorry for the grossness) Anyone else have bronchitis when doing chemo? I am just worried it will turn to pneumonia or something.

  • 70charger
    70charger Member Posts: 963
    edited October 2013


    Did not have a great weekend. Have been battling shakes, chills, nausea. No fever. My fingers are very white looking. I am day 14 post tx #2. Wondering if my counts have taken a drop. Been like this since Friday. Why do these se's always hit just before the weekend, when no one at the cancer clinic to answer your concerns. I know, that way I have an excuse to come on here :) . Does this mean I will have a rough go of it with #3? I really am considering no more chemo.

  • SpecialK
    SpecialK Member Posts: 16,486
    edited October 2013


    70 - are you getting Neulasta? Your WBC nadir is days 7-10, meaning that is when they will drop to the lowest with Neulasta/Neupogen. You really can't infer from one tx to the next what your SE will be - some things are cumulative, like dropping counts on CBC and hemoglobin, if that is a SE you suffer from, and fatigue of course. Otherwise, many have slightly differing SE each time. That is the frustration because as you learn what to do for each SE you have already experienced, new ones crop up, and the ones you figured out go away! Are you doing 4 TC, or 6?

  • alfranco
    alfranco Member Posts: 200
    edited October 2013


    HVV thanks for the info.


    70Charger and LHL hope you feel better soon.


    This is not an easy road, we had to take,but there is light at the end of it. It may seem far at the moment. We will get there. Even if it is crying every once in a while. Best wishes to everyone.

  • KBeee
    KBeee Member Posts: 5,109
    edited October 2013


    Mamastewart- I will preface this by saying that my surgical recovery was easier than most, and I know I was really lucky. I also went into it in good shape physically, walking or running a lot, and doing lots of abdominal exercises to make sure those muscles were strong to compensate. I also did not do chemo first. That being said, my surgical recovery was a breeze. I was off narcotics in 2 days and off of Ibuprofen in about 5 days. I was walking a mile per day as soon as drains were out, and increased it from there. At my 4 week follow up, I had no lifting restrictions, and at my 6 week follow up, I was cleared for full return to duty at work. I am a firefighter/paramedic. Now, it would be dumb to go fight a fire while on chemo, so I will refrain from that, but I have taken a few EMS calls on my good days, and that involves heavy lifting. I have had no problems. Everyone is very different, and chemo may slow healing, but for me, going in with strong legs and abs really helped me because those muscles could compensate for the others that I could not use right away. Again, everyone is different, and I was lucky, but I just wanted to,let you know that you may be ale to recover sooner than you expect.


    70charger- I hope you feel better soon. Call the MO if you are not feeling better.


    Ekaterina and anyone else heading to the chemobar today- Hope all goes well.

  • 70charger
    70charger Member Posts: 963
    edited October 2013


    Specialk 4 rounds t/c no shots. WBC's have actually been high before my last 2 treatments.11 & 14. No signs of any infections.

  • lighthouselady
    lighthouselady Member Posts: 752
    edited October 2013


    70charger - Right there with you the past few days. Felt like I had the hangover from hell (and I've never even had a hangover...LOL). Overall yuck feeling, chills, headache, and I even had the fever to go with it all. Don't give up!!! Just think - however awful you feel from the chemo, the cancer cells feel even worse!!!! :-)


    Luckily my fever never reached the dangerous phase, and I'm feeling better today. Managed to run a couple of errands and met hubby for lunch for our anniversary. We're headed to Dallas tomorrow afternoon, spending the night for our anniversary and then I have three appointments on Thursday. A visit with my surgeon who wanted to gauge my progress halfway through chemo, a meeting with a gynocological oncologist to discuss my ovaries and a meeting with the plastic surgeon who will be involved in my breast surgery. Going to be a long day, capped off by a 3 hour drive home. But hopefully I'll feel good and it will all be productive.


    So the stupid mystery acne/rash showed up again right on schedule. Seems like I get a lumpy, itchy face about 4-5 days after chemo. Not sure if it's from the premeds or the chemo itself, but it's highly annoying.

  • mankatostate
    mankatostate Member Posts: 231
    edited October 2013


    hey Lighthouse....happy anniversary! How many years?

  • lighthouselady
    lighthouselady Member Posts: 752
    edited October 2013


    Thanks. :-) Twelve years!

  • 70charger
    70charger Member Posts: 963
    edited October 2013


    Lighthouse, congrats on your anniversary. Ours is in a couple of weeks. 12?? you are like newlyweds! Hope you feel better.

  • Hydavis42
    Hydavis42 Member Posts: 52
    edited October 2013


    Hi Ladies im right there with you. CHEMO sucks. Im so tired of being TIRED. I finished my 3rd round of A/C last Thursday 1 more to go then on to 4 rounds of Taxol. Ladies please encourage me to keep going because this is truly the pits. Sorry to vent this way but I felt you all would understand how im feeling. Between my low energy level and lack of desire to eat or drink I don't know which one is worse.

  • mankatostate
    mankatostate Member Posts: 231
    edited October 2013


    Yes 70charger I agree about lighthouse being a newly wed! How fun that you lighthouse get to go enjoy it. I will be sure to say a prayer that your are feeling alright! Where in Dallas are you going? We use to live in Fort Worth but I never ventured out to Dallas much. My 25 anniversary will be at the end of December. I am hoping to be done with Rads by then so we can do something special...then again I have heard it suggested to give it some time so that you can really enjoy the trip. I am thinking it will also double as a celebration of finishing cancer treatment too.

  • mankatostate
    mankatostate Member Posts: 231
    edited October 2013


    Hydavis- I sure hear you...I asked for prayer on the spiritual thread because I soooooo wanted to quit. My last and final chemo is this Monday. Now that I am in the good week I have said I can do it one more time...I need to for my family! I keep plugging away and figure I will get there. You can too. In the end you will be glad to know you did all you could do and not always wonder should I have done more. I will say a prayer for you to get there.

  • Hydavis42
    Hydavis42 Member Posts: 52
    edited October 2013


    Jellyk I have the same thoughts as you concerning the rads. I will start about the same time as you but im wondering about the benefit of it verses the risks. If the chemo is suppose to get these rogue cells if there are any wouldn't radiation just be overkill. I could be wrong but I feel as though I might be radiating cancer cells that are no longer there. I am just ready for this to be behind all of us ASAP.

  • Hydavis42
    Hydavis42 Member Posts: 52
    edited October 2013


    Thanks mankotostate I think I will go to this prayer thread also. You are so right I need to just keep plugging along hard as you and I know it is. I do want to be able to look back one day and know I did all I could. Thanks for your prayer and good luck with your last treatment Monday.

  • Hydavis42
    Hydavis42 Member Posts: 52
    edited October 2013


    yes alfranco ive noticed the palms of my hands are darker. Im guessing that's a side effect from the A/C dose dense cocktail im on. I just finished 3 of 4 but it seems like there is a new side effect each time for me. Whew......can't wait for this to be behind us.

  • mankatostate
    mankatostate Member Posts: 231
    edited October 2013


    Yes Jellyk and Hydavis it doesn't make sense to me why we have rads and chemo. You would think chemo would knock out anything so there would be no need for rads! (or so that sound like that is the point of chemo isn't it?)

  • lighthouselady
    lighthouselady Member Posts: 752
    edited October 2013


    Ha ha - newlyweds!! I'm 40 and hubby is 51... I was married once before and he was married twice (third time is a charm!). So we've kind of been around the block already. :-) Considering neither of his marriages lasted a year, 12 years is a lifetime for him! :-)

  • KBeee
    KBeee Member Posts: 5,109
    edited October 2013


    LHL- I hope you have a great trip to Dallas, and that all of your appointments go well. Happy Anniversary! On a yucky note, I also have horrible acne....all over my bald head......uuuuuugh!!! I did last round too. I have to go buy my son more acne medicine, because I have used it all slobbering it all over my head. If anyone has acne tips, I will take them; I have been using neutrogena soap on it as well.



    I am on day 5 of round 2. So far, this has been almost a duplicate of round 1. Sunday night I felt flu-like for a few hours, other than that, just fatigue, sore throat, and bone/ muscle aches...abdominal pain, back pain, leg pain. Ibuprofen pretty much takes care of it when needed, but until it kicks in, I feel like I am in labor. I have a temp of 99 tonight. Last round I had the same pain, same places, and had the same temp. I think that my body is just fighting these poisons! Hoping tomorrow brings more energy and less pain.

  • knightzoo
    knightzoo Member Posts: 171
    edited October 2013


    Hello all, sounds like we are hanging in there! I've been reading updates on my phone and finally logged on to check in. Nothing fun, but getting by? I'm in my 5th week and maybe seeing increased fatigue. Nosebleeds too. My WBC was down from mid 4s to 3.4 last Friday. Hopefully it doesn't keep going down. I don't know what the bottom number is before they delay treatment. And I don't want to know! Thanks for the treatment aid links too - I plan on doing applications tomorrow!


    Saw the nurse practitioner last Friday and she said she doesn't feel the enlarged node anymore that was palpable before, so that's good. My tumor is also smaller. I wore my wig out today after I took it in yesterday to a lady with my stylist along. I got it for free and got to pick it and everything but didn't love it. They were able to shape it and cut the bangs and I like it much better. I wore it to a meeting today and got several compliments. I still haven't shaved my remaining hair, but getting close. At this point it's itchy and annoying.


    LHL-hope you have a great trip and anniversary. I'm hoping to plan a fun trip for my 20th next June :)


    mamastewart - I'm sorry your family and friends suffered losses in the storm. All of the devastation is so sad.


    One day at a time, we can do this! Hugs to all.

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