Coping After Treatment - Summer 2013

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  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited October 2013


    Bounce~~if you read my other post on that thread in question, you will see that early today I corrected myself on there. I said I should never have mentioned anything about her, though in my defense, I didn't mention her name or the forum. I couldn't tell you right now what it was. I repented before God and the other ladies on the Christian forum and told them, if I'm ever out of line, I expect them to correct me. I should have only asked for prayer for someone I was concerned about. I never meant to do anything wrong.


    I didn't think you were choosing sides, only that you were offering comfort.


    As for me coming to this thread for solace. I've been a part of this forum since it started when a few of us were finishing rads together. As a matter of fact, when one of ladies mentioned she wished we had a place to post after rads, I suggested she start a "Coping Thread."


    Again, I'm sorry for causing any offenses.


    Blessings


    Paula

  • Lenn13ka
    Lenn13ka Member Posts: 313
    edited October 2013


    Thank -you to all the ladies who post here. We support each other and learn from each other. Except for my husband, daughter, sisters who needed to know and a couple of trusted lady friends, no one knows I have been dealing with BC. I didn't want employees or clients to know , as I thought it would just be too hard for me to get through my work season, which is several months of just super stress. I skipped chemo, so never looked sick. Unfortunately, I was worried that my wonderful clients would not want to "burden" me, not call for work and thus make it hard for me to have enough work for my employees. I am too young to retire and hope to keep this business going for a few more years!


    BCO , and this forum in particular, has been a reality check for me through all of this and all the conversation and support so welcome. We move forward together.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited October 2013


    Lenn~~I was pretty open from the beginning. I texted my husband at work, asking him to call me. As soon as he knew, I told my 2 grown sons, then 2 sisters, and brother. I also was open with my church family. The support (especially from my church family) was invaluable, but I do get that some prefer to be private about dx.


    I met a sweet young woman at rads that wore a lovely long wig. She said, it was as close to her original hair as she could get. She didn't want her children's babysitters to know. Others I met there went completely bald...no head covering at all. I admired their spunk.


    We have to do what is right for us.


    Thank you by the way. I don't remember if I ever thanked you for starting this forum. It's so good to come here since chemo & rads are over.


    Blessings


    Paula

  • IamNancy
    IamNancy Member Posts: 1,158
    edited October 2013


    Paula


    you changed your picture - very nice with the hat!

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited October 2013


    Nancy~~Thank you. I lost a dear friend to lung cancer several weeks ago. She had bought many hats & scarves for treatment, but never got the chance to wear them. Her partner gave me a huge shopping bag full of scarves & hats. Most still had the tags on them.


    Since I posted the pic from my iPad, I wondered if it is right side up? Sometimes with iPad, I see it right, but others see it upside down.


    Blessings


    Paula

  • Jennie93
    Jennie93 Member Posts: 1,018
    edited October 2013


    It's right side up for me, Paula. :-)

  • honeybair
    honeybair Member Posts: 746
    edited October 2013


    Paula, you look great in that hat.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited October 2013


    Jennie & Honeybair.....Thank you both. I forgot to say about my friend who died from metastatic lung cancer...she was NOT a smoker. It was genetic! My RO told me, she's seeing more & more cases of lung cancer in non-smokers.


    Blessings


    Paula

  • BayouBabe
    BayouBabe Member Posts: 2,221
    edited October 2013


    Paula - my mom died 7 years ago from lung cancer. During the 9 months of her treatment she would tell anyone who would listen that she never smoked a day in her life.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited October 2013


    BayouBabe~~There is so much in our lives that could be responsible. Sometimes I don't think it matters what we do to protect ourselves. So many ladies on BCO have said, they always ate right, kept their weight under control, exercised, didn't smoke or drink, had no family history, yet here they are.


    All the pollutants and chemicals in our food & water, in our air, cleaning products, beauty products, are just a fraction of the causes in my opinion.


    Blessings


    Paula

  • Lenn13ka
    Lenn13ka Member Posts: 313
    edited October 2013
    That was me, except I did enjoy my cocktails. I think a high testosterone level, low vitamin D and inflammation ( I had a major infection for several months prior to diagnosis that kept me on antibiotics for several months) contributed to mine. That is just my opinion. Again, my MO says just bad luck but I want to think all the changes I am making are doing something to prevent a reccurance! I thought I did everything right before! Crap shoot.

    Hat looks good Paula.
  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited October 2013


    In my personal case, on top of all the other bad stuff around us, I believe stress was a major factor for me.


    Since 2008 my DH fell off the wagon after 12 years sober, my beloved son, who has dealt with major health issues since age 6 when he was dx Type I Diabetic, was in 2009 dx with HIV, and 2 weeks after that my favorite aunt fell in her home and suffered a severe head injury. She couldn't walk or take care of herself after that so for over 3 years (until her death last summer) I cared for her in my home..changing adult diapers and all. I was so busy taking taking care of, and worrying about others, I forgot all about me. I was 3 years late getting my annual mammogram.


    Blessings


    Paula

  • patriciahurtado
    patriciahurtado Member Posts: 489
    edited October 2013


    hello my ladies.... Hope everyone is doing good......I'm here in New Jersey visiting family ... Been traveling a lot just to catch up with them..... Been also busy working for the past 4 weeks but as our holidays season is coming up It gets very slow here in Miami...... I will be seeing my PS on the 10th and my RO to see where I'm at with reconstruction in not in a hurry ...but I need to know.... Visiting family and working has been hard on eating healthy I'm not sure how to eat healthy .... Maybe we can post some daily smoothies .. Juicing... Or any special food that we need to eat..... I juiced every other day and ate kale salads but at this point I lost my appetite... Don't know what eat...






    I know having cocktails does not help but sometimes I just feel that few don't hurt but the next day I feel so bad for having one .....does anyone had any cocktails??










    Well just wanted to know how everyone is doing and hoped that everyone had a great weekend ...


    Love u ladies !!!

  • CassDugan
    CassDugan Member Posts: 100
    edited October 2013


    I had a whole huge reply that I've since deleted. I'll try for the short version.


    I am mostly satisfied with the care I've received. Some (and I'm glaring at a particular person) friends have been wonderful. My partner has been incredible.


    Chronic pain is nothing new, thanks to arthritis. Still, the words of people here were helpful, in that they helped me learn that there can be many kinds of chronic pain. Having learned to deal with one doesn't mean I'm dealing well with another.


    My pain seems to be worsening. There was the initial pain of surgery & recovery. Then, the initial pain eased but another sort of pain - associated with rads - kicked in. In the time since rads (last rads 8/17) I have been feeling better but in more pain, if that makes sense. I am back to carrying weight during the day (10+ pound school pack) for more walking (the school pack, for 2+ miles) than I've been doing. However, as a hiker, these distances and weights should be well within my capabilities. And yet, I wake several times a night with a lot of pain - my hands are both numb and fiery. I don't think it is LE since I'm part of an LE study, but I can't help but worry.


    My skin also seems to be worsening. Through rads, I had no major SE's. My skin got the sunburned look but remained entirely intact. In the 6 weeks since, the skin in the rads field has been peeling like mad and has been super-sensitive.


    I don't know if the super-sensitivity correlates with the pain. I find touching the skin in the rads area to be very irritating. And yet, touching these areas doesn't feel painful. The skin, intact during rads, has been peeling in the weeks since. No full thickness wounds, so that's good.


    As for probabilities, I have been a mostly L-O vegetarian for my entire life, and vegan for the past several years. I am athletic (running or walking at least 5 miles per day) and very health conscious (thank you, mom) in terms of eating whole foods and exercising daily.


    But yeah, lucky? Still not really.

  • Lenn13ka
    Lenn13ka Member Posts: 313
    edited October 2013


    Cass - everything you are describing I am experiencing also. I had No problems after surgery or during rads. In my business I load and unload a truck all day, move plants, walk all day, etc. I am a month ahead of you and the pain/ stiffness from rads is worse now, even though I went right into PT after rads. I am being treated for lymphodema but I also have some numbness like you describe that I totally think is from rads. I was so strong on my right.( bc) side and now I have to lift on my left so my whole body is out of whack. Trying like heck to get it right. PT 3 times per week... That is a lot ! Just hope it doesn't get worse. Yoga is helping. I get what you are saying.... I feel better but my body feels worse. Laying on a heating pad As I write this!!


    Patricia... My Mo said 5- 7 drinks per week and don't drink them all together. I try to stay within that range but sometimes I go over. I don't stress about it as I am doing everything else.. Organic diet, exercise... I love socializing with friends and I love my champagne.


    Paula- you are right about stress .. That sets everthing off. I am on a post BC mantra of not sweating the small stuff. Kind of working.

  • CassDugan
    CassDugan Member Posts: 100
    edited October 2013


    My poor dog today... I took some dog-shaming pictures (thanks to him chewing all around the heel of a sneaker, rendering it unwearable. Then after our walk, I decided to give him a bath. He was vigorously toweled afterward, and periodically in the 3 hours since, and yet he remains damp and shivery. My dog dryers are packed for our anticipated move, so I keep trying to settle him under a blanket. How can I publicly shame him for the sneaker chewing when I'm in the midst of damp chilly dog guilt? But we did have a good walk this afternoon.


    My skin seems finally to be getting better in terms of the peeling decreasing. Still super-sensitive in some areas. I'm still waking up with numb/fiery hands and sometimes arms. Moving around helps with that.


    I don't know how much of my negative attitude is associated with taking the tamoxifen. I'm (again, should feel lucky) not experiencing SE's except for some initial bouts of nausea. Mostly, I hate that taking it every night forces me to think about my condition every night - and will continue to do so for the next five years. I have to find a way to get over this. The tamoxifen should be a good thing since it reduces my recurrence risk. I don't want to be negative about it. And yet, it seems I can't help but be negative about it, which leads to feeling negative about many others things. And then feeling guilty/badly for not being more positive - I have to find a way out of this negativity.


    -Lenn13ka - I am so sorry you're having to deal with lymphedema. That's been one of my worries. It's great that you're in PT (what I'm going to school for!) and I hope that's helpful.


    -Patricia - I'm not much of a drinker. My medical care team have each assured me that 3-5 drinks per week with no more than one per day shouldn't be a problem. Still, Love's Breast Book implicates alcohol as a significant risk factor, so I've been keeping it to a bare minimum.


    -Paula - yes, stress. I quit a successful career to go back to school for something completely different. I then lived away from home the last school year while I was getting diagnosed and had to deal with the crappy student health insurance while trying to get diagnosed and get a second opinion. I think stress can be a major factor in health issues and I was under a pile of it. I'm sorry you were too.


    The funny thing about stress is learning to deal with it. My main stress outlet is running which isn't great right now what with not being able to wear a bra. I signed up for a relaxation class - and was then stressed about the poor quality of the class!


    Anyone have some favorite - and effective - ways of dealing with stress?

  • AmyQ
    AmyQ Member Posts: 2,182
    edited October 2013


    How am I coping after treatment? Very good question and even tho I answered earlier I just had what feels like a huge set-back. One of my dear friends who supported me this year throughout diagnosis, treatment, recovery etc was just diagnosed with breast cancer. It feels like a kick in the gut to now see her have to live and suffer through all the unknowns. Seriously this almost hurt as much as hearing my own diagnosis. I just feel terrible. I will be there for her of course but seriously...why did breast cancer enter her world too? I am so angry at this awful insidious disease and so upset that she too has to deal with it. Of course I will be there for her as she was for me, but really...more cancer??? We need a cure, not just treatment options. Arggg

  • Gracers55
    Gracers55 Member Posts: 53
    edited October 2013


    Good morning wonderful ladies! A number of you are ahead of me in treatment. I've completed nasty chemo and begin radiation therapy tomorrow. I'm convinced radiation will be easier than chemo and have a giant bottle of aloe gel.


    Question for you wise women: I have neuropathy in my fingers and toes. It's not painful, but a real bother/distraction and interferes with some activities. I received both taxotere and carboplatin and believe either or both could have been the culprit. My MO says that it may take a few months before we know if it will resolve itself. I'm a month out of chemo and it seems to have stabilized and not improved. Do any of you have thoughts on this? Any experience where it's taken a few months to go away? Has anyone tried acupuncture or anything else that helps?


    Much love to you all,


    Gracers

  • Lenn13ka
    Lenn13ka Member Posts: 313
    edited October 2013
    Cass - I have WONDERFUL lymphodema specialist. She is realing helping me alot. She knows I have to be active and is doing everthing she can to get my lymphodema under control without telling me I have to stop physical work. She is also helping me with a spasm in my paraspinal muscle, that I know is from lifting with my left hand now, instead of my dominant right hand. PT is a great profession. It has gotten me through a lot of injuries and saved me from a bunch of surgeries. The scary part about this ordeal is that both my RO and MO were a little "less than informed" about the entire truncal lymphodema issue. Just another example that freaks me out that I have to stay on top of all these Doctors. I just want them to all agree and none of them ever do!


    Like you, I am not sure what the tamoxifen is doing to my attitude. There are days I am just pissed off about the entire thing...is it from the tamoxifen?? I don't know.I think I am mostly pissed off about the "limbo" that you have to live with. Except for you ladies, everyone wants you to carry on and move on and sometimes it is just not that easy.


    Amy, I am SO sorry that you have to deal with this whole BC thing with your friend, just as you finishing up with all your treatments and surgeries. That just plain sucks and there is no other way to say it. When are they going to find a cure for this stupid disease??


    Gracers - I can't help you with the nueropathy as I skipped Chemo. For radiation I used Aveno lotion...that was it and my breast did OK. I had 7 weeks of full breast radiation, with a week of boosts. GOOD LUCK with it all... I am sure you will do fine. Keep moving but rest when you need it. I kept Sundays free to relax and veg and lay around if I wanted to.

    Does anyone else have rib pain where they received radiation? I had fractured my ribs a couple of years ago and I am not sure what the radiation did to them! They are SORE... oh the joys of BC!!

    Hope everyone has a good Columbus Day weekend... Beautiful Fall foliage here in New England.. Healing Vibes to all...



  • melody46
    melody46 Member Posts: 279
    edited October 2013


    I am noticing very achy joints in my knees,shoulders and hips, I'm thinking it has to be the Tamoxifen

  • mummommama
    mummommama Member Posts: 70
    edited October 2013


    Oh my, I'm so glad I've found this thread. Thanks to all of you for posting. I'm 4 weeks out from a pretty rough ride with rads. And I need to start working at getting back to work. But I have no energy. I'm totally willing to talk to doc about ritalin. My work is demanding and frustrating and requires a lot of energy.Most of my colleagues have less education, experience and age than I do. I know I need to learn to work that to my advantage, but it's a relatively new job and am still sorting those things out.


    I've found joining a support group to be the MOST helpful thing so far. The one I found uses the Putting back the Pieces book to guide our sessions. It's phenomenal. Even if you don't have a group, the book may help you (I need a group - I need to talk it out), but it has really good exercises and practical examples from people with all types of cancer who are picking up the pieces after cancer treatment and figuring out how life should be now.


    THIS is the hard part. We survived. Now we have to figure out how to live. And so many things are different. And they'll always be different. We will never be the old "me" but we can support each other to find our new "me" and thrive to the best of our ability.


    All the best to all of you surviving sisters!


    Mum

  • Lenn13ka
    Lenn13ka Member Posts: 313
    edited October 2013


    Welcome , mum. You and I started this "journey" (not) around the same time. Your support group sounds great. Anything you can share from that would be appreciated. My schedule has been crazy during this whole thing and now with 3 PT visits per week for lymphodema plus work, BCO is the only support I can fit in. Thank you ladies.


    It does get better regarding rads. Most if us had problems 3/4/5 weeks out.


    Hang in there, Mum.

  • Lenn13ka
    Lenn13ka Member Posts: 313
    edited October 2013


    Hope everyone is having a great weekend. A question:


    How many if you find that once you enter "survivorship" nobody really wants to hear you talking about BC or any of the post problems? It just been one of those weeks. I had a set back with my lymphodema . Thought I was really moving forward but just developed a bunch of cords down my front trunk. They are sore and bothersome.


    At least I can complain here. Hey, it is a beautiful day here.. I'll be grateful for that.

  • IamNancy
    IamNancy Member Posts: 1,158
    edited October 2013


    Lenn - people seem to quickly forget - or they don't want to mention our ordeal incase we forgot.. like that will ever be possible!

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited October 2013


    Lenn~~That's why this forum is so Awesome! We can vent, cry, scream, cuss, pray, kick, and compare notes with others who really do GET IT!


    Thanks again for starting this thread.


    Blessings


    Paula

  • slv58
    slv58 Member Posts: 1,216
    edited October 2013


    IamNancy, love your new pic! Look at the head of hair you have, beautiful!


    Lenn13ka, it's funny you mention this. Now that I am finished treatment but am left with lots of chemo related aches and pains, plus what seems to be radiation induced (?) frozen shoulder, I am at a loss as to what to say when people ask me how I'm feeling. My DH doesn't even ask me anymore-he figures I'm done treatment so I'm back to normal. I have great issues sleeping on top of everything. I find I stumble over the "I'm feeling fine" reply because I'm really not. I do realize that this is what everyone wants and expects to hear-but I would really love to tell them the reality of what I'm still going through.


    Thank you for letting me express that and if anyone can come up with a soft version reality reply, I'd love that!


    I hope everyone is doing well.

  • AmyQ
    AmyQ Member Posts: 2,182
    edited October 2013


    I had an "attitude adjustment" this week when I found out my dear friend who helped me through this rough year, confirmed her BC stayed in a neat little compartment and didn't spread beyond this small area. Lumpectomy and radiation for her along with Tamoxifin, I think. Anyway, I was so upset and discouraged to hear of her recent dx and all the unknowns, but now feel much better.


    Weird to think thank God it's only Stage 1 breast cancer but that's how we do it. Little victories where ever we find them. I still hate that she has to go through this but it-can-always-be-worse...right?

  • IamNancy
    IamNancy Member Posts: 1,158
    edited October 2013


    slv58 - Thanks! I just want to have the nerve to put the wig away and so far I feel nervous about it.. my highschool reunion (43 yrs) is this coming weekend and I have to decide if I feel confident enough to go wigless

  • Claire_in_Seattle
    Claire_in_Seattle Member Posts: 4,570
    edited October 2013


    You could do hair extensions Nancy. Or something spiky. Anyway....go rock it!!! - Claire

  • mummommama
    mummommama Member Posts: 70
    edited October 2013


    Hi All, So good to be able to vent. And Lenn, I'm absolutely hearing "Gee, aren't you glad that's over?!" even from doctors *grrr*. My boss wants to know when I'm coming back to work, but even just taking a shower and washing my hair makes me so tired I have to lie down for an hour.


    Some things we cover in the group are related specifically to this. I highly recommend the book we're using. It's called Picking Up the Pieces and is designed to help us put our lives back together after surviving cancer (treatment). I'm the most recently "recovered" and several other women are still dealing with difficulties up to 2 years out. I really think this book helps lay the framework for how I will be putting my life back together. It will be forever changed, but I get to figure out how it will go and make the best of what I want in the rest of my life.


    If anyone is interested and can't find it from the title, let me know and I'll get off my behind and go look at the authors (two women-if that helps).


    Best to you all~


    Mum

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