Dumping tamoxifen?

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mummommama
mummommama Member Posts: 70

I've just finished most of radiation. Ended 2 days early because tissue damage was so significant. I'm still on tamoxifen and it just makes me feel like crap. My stage 1 was not discovered until pathology for mastectomy following dcis dg. I chose mastectomy because I don't want to deal with all this medical stuff. 

At this point I'm seriously considering d/c of tamoxifen and going all natural remedies. Any suggestions or guidance about what I should look up and keep in mind? I just hate that tamoxifen feels like poison, and I believe that I can cure this with healthy ways to improve immunity and my own body's way to fight infection.

Any suggestions?

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  • peggy_j
    peggy_j Member Posts: 1,700
    edited September 2013

    You're welcome to post here, but you may find more responses (or existing discussions) in other parts of this Discussion Board. Maybe try these:

    Hormonal Therapy - Before, During and After

    Complementary and Holistic Medicine and Treatment

    Alternative Medicine

  • jessica749
    jessica749 Member Posts: 429
    edited October 2013

    Why does T feel like poison to you? I'm hoping / believing it to be the opposite- a potential life saver. Potential. Or certainly helping to buy time....(but most of all hoping it's just redundant!)

  • farmerlucy
    farmerlucy Member Posts: 3,985
    edited October 2013

    I tried T for ten days about a month and a half after dx. At that time I felt like everything I was feeling was a SE of T. I stopped taking it and tried to convince myself that it was OK not to take it because my onco score was very low and the IDC was only found in the final path. Still not taking it nagged at me. After a year I tried again, and this time I've had few side effects, mainly hot flashes.

    I think it is unfortunate that we start the T at a time in our lives when there are so many other things going on in our head. Ideally we'd all start it when we are feeling zen and can really isolate the SE from other things. This is just me. I know you will do what is right for you. BC is not for sissies! This is tough stuff. Hugs to you!

    PS - I felt like you at first - that I was putting poison in my mouth, then I did more research RE: The T is really a good drug. However, I HATE that I have to take it, but I do.

  • bluepearl
    bluepearl Member Posts: 961
    edited October 2013

    Tamoxifen has been proven to save lives and has less dramatic problems with it than aspirin. Give it a chance. Most side effects, if you have them, settle down. Everything is a poison in the right dose. Often dose is what determines something as medicinal or poisonous. Because most alternative medicinals have not been clinically studied, they could also do more harm than good. High doses of Vit. C.....cancer cells like that too. Esseiac tea actually stimulated breast cancer cells in vitro. Other things are just plain  useless and expensive...but help the client emotionally...which is ok too. But don't throw away the proven for the unproven. There are snake oil salesmen everywhere but never as many as on the Internet.

  • mummommama
    mummommama Member Posts: 70
    edited October 2013


    Thanks to you all. It's hard to describe the feeling of "unwellness" that I have. And I realize that some of it may be from my bad reaction to the radiation treatment. There are some things that are just consistent, though, and that is that nausea and fatigue regularly follow taking tamoxifen (4 months now).


    There are still good and bad days, but the circles under my eyes and the pallid complexion co-occur with the fatigue and nausea. I sure don't want any snake oil! But I don't want the cancer equivalent to thalidomide, either.


    Thanks again for all your feedback! I'm open to other suggestions and ideas.

  • bluepearl
    bluepearl Member Posts: 961
    edited October 2013


    Gravol makes a "natural" anti nausea you can buy otc....and it works. Ginger-based. Ginger pills, candied ginger all work as well. It takes almost a year for the effects of radiation to leave...including fatigue...do not give up a med with proven ability to prevent distant recurrences given also you had fairly large tumor and grade 3. Did you have an oncotype done? It also takes a long time for the body to heal from such assaults as mastectomy and radiation. Take short walks....exercise helps fatigue oddly enough. Make sure you have your Vitamin D (at least 1000 units per day), good diet with enough vitamins, especially the B's (I take a complex 50 or 100). I also take melatonin for sleep..that takes a couple of weeks to build up in your system..but ONLY 1 mg/day (too much can cause problems with kidneys)...there are some good tranquillity teas out there too. That "unwellness"...could it be anxiety/depression?

  • mummommama
    mummommama Member Posts: 70
    edited October 2013


    Thank you, pearl. I appreciate all your suggestions. gravol is often recommended here in canada and I still haven't bought any - but I do plan to! One reason I didn't just DO IT and quit the tamoxifen was to get feedback from survivors.


    I still have trouble believing that the grade 3 tumor was inside me. My breast is gone, my chest is numb, until it hurts, and life goes on, only I can't fully participate - yet.


    The vitamin D and B recommendations are wonderful! And I did have the genotype done on the tumor. That's how I dodged the chemo bullet.


    I have a history with depression. This may well be exacerbating it. It feels different, though, but worth checking into.


    I guess 3 1/2 weeks out of the end of radiation is too soon to judge my wellness and the focus should still be on healing.


    Thank you

  • blanviper
    blanviper Member Posts: 108
    edited November 2013


    I think saying that Tamoxifen has less dramatic problems than aspirin is a little disingenuous. It's also a little dismissive of someone else's feelings and experience on it. Tamoxifen has some serious side effects in some people and not in others. Side effects also depend on the person taking the medicine. Not everyone experiences the same thing. Sorry, but they don't. Because one person finds her side effects manageable does not negate the fact they may be way more severe and unmanageable for someone else. It does make sense to let some other issues from radiation settle down and see what your side effects from Tamoxifen really are and that might take a few more months. However, if you give it a several more months and are still feeling miserable, you have every right to sit down with your oncologist and discuss what's going on, ask what your options are and not feel bad about it.


    I have a friend with an almost identical diagnosis as me who had few very manageable SE's from Tamoxifen. I didn't go on the internet looking to scare myself about Tamoxifen before I took it. Hearing her experience, I totally expected to cruise right through almost SE free. Unfortunately, I got slammed. I kept a journal to record SEs to discuss with my onc because I thought I must be crazy. She told me everyone is different and some people can't have a good QOL with the side effects they get. We discussed that mine were on the severe end. Despite that, I still tried to stick it out for over 18 months to be a good soldier. It never got better and finally had to stop with my one's blessing and my relatively low risk. I wish I didn't have SEs and could have stuck it out. I do not recommend anyone go off it because I did, but I do really get irked when others are so dismissive of what someone else is going through. I felt chronically unwell. It was if my life had been hijacked. People have since come up to me in the last few weeks and told me how much better I look and seem off Tamoxifen. It's noticeable. I feel almost completely like myself - my old pre-cancer self. My only advice is to give it some time but in the end you need to do what works best for YOU.

  • rozem
    rozem Member Posts: 1,375
    edited November 2013


    i think it comes down to your own personal risk vs benefits to taking the drug -I know that for some it is a really tough drug to stay on but if you have a more advanced, highly estrogen positive cancer then you would have to really think twice about not taking it. For some women it is just as important as chemo. That said, I do believe that for some women the risk and SE do outweigh the tiny benefit they would gain. My MIL wants to go off arimidex but shes over 80 and had a 2mm tumor. I don't think i would put up with the SE in her shoes! You would have to discuss this with your Onc to see what your percentages are. There are meds you can take to help you get through the tamox years like Effexor, yes its another drug but it may help you get over the hurdle and keep you going. I have resigned myself to the fact that I won't have a drug free body right now, but that's ok if it keeps the cancer away.

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