I say yes, you say no, OR People are Strange

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  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
    edited October 2013
    Seems like things are really close here. The posting square is now where it should be.....strange font and no tool bar. Someone else just posted and of course, it didn't show. Going to give this a try......maybe it will fix my page.

  • Moderators
    Moderators Member Posts: 25,912
    edited October 2013


    Hi ladies!


    We had to remove RetiredLibby's post as there was no way to fix it and it was covering up other members' posts. We're having some formatting issues lately, and this could be related with that.


    The deleted post was citing RL article.


    Sorry for any inconvenience caused.


    The Mods

  • RetiredLibby
    RetiredLibby Member Posts: 1,992
    edited October 2013


    I posted from Politico - it was an article about how the incumbent Republicans are polling below generic Democrats in 17 out of 24 districts polled. Unfortunately, I copied it from the Reader window in Safari on the iPad and it went crazy. I couldn't edit or delete it or even post a "help!" message, so the Mods kindly fixed it. I'm sorry! No more cutting and pasting on the iPad for me until the format settles down! :-)

  • ananda8
    ananda8 Member Posts: 2,755
    edited October 2013
    The Democrats won’t compromise, wah wah wah!

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/10/07/here-are-three-debt-ceiling-lies-you-ll-hear-from-the-gop-this-week.html


    "A huge lie. Here’s a fact I’d bet no more than 2 percent of the American public knows: that “clean” continuing resolution the Senate passed, with Democrats backing it and Republicans opposing it? That CR carried the levels of funding for government agencies demanded by Republicans, not Democrats.

    That’s right. The Senate CR funds the government in the coming weeks at a level of $988 billion. The Democrats wanted $1.058 billion. But they passed a bill at Republican levels. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid said late last week: “My caucus really didn’t like that. We took a real hit…So that’s one of the largest compromises since I’ve been in Congress.”

    Now why did they pass a bill at the GOP’s preferred levels? Because, Reid said late last week, he had assurances from Boehner that the House speaker wouldn’t attach demands to the Senate CR if Reid brought it in at $988 billion. So this whole thing started with a significant Democratic compromise. But once the Republicans decided that they were going to use both the shutdown and the debt ceiling to try to defund and/or delay Obamacare, they couldn’t even vote for a bill that gave them a major fiscal victory. That’s how dug in and crazy they are.


    So don’t be fooled. The GOP position is dishonest and destructive beyond words. I’d still bet that complete disaster will be averted, but with this bunch, you never quite know. People who’ve persuaded themselves that default won’t have serious ramifications are people capable of doing, and certainly of saying, anything."



  • RetiredLibby
    RetiredLibby Member Posts: 1,992
    edited October 2013


    Notself, that is their typical and continuing dishonest MO - Democrats compromise and behave like adults and then the regressives say, OK - now give me more. The only way to stop the bullies is to put your foot down and say NO!

  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
    edited October 2013
    RL, I posted virtually the same thing at the top of this page so if anyone wants to read.....it is there.


    Jackie
  • pupmom
    pupmom Member Posts: 5,068
    edited October 2013


    John Boehner needs some help deciding what to do! :D


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  • bluedahlia
    bluedahlia Member Posts: 6,944
    edited October 2013
  • River_Rat
    River_Rat Member Posts: 1,724
    edited October 2013


    The author of this post (James Salwitz, MD) on the ACA mentions in comments that it's okay to share it. The link for the whole piece is: http://sunriserounds.com/next-great-cure/


    I'm going to post it in bits after seeing what happened with RL's post:



    What do Louis Pasteur, Jonas Salk, Sigmund Freud and Barack Obama have in common? They all championed controversial medical revolutions and if not for their bravery in the face of conflict, billions would have died. Sterilize instruments to kill invisible bugs? Inject disease particles to build immunity? Look into our subconscious to explain everyday behavior? Give basic healthcare to everyone? Ludicrous. That is why we named these advances after these men.


    As an oncologist who has seen the fatal cost of our patchy, imbalanced and unfair healthcare system, I have to be at very least hopeful about ObamaCare; AKA the Affordable Care Act (ACA). The list of benefits is so vast that whatever glitches happen along the way, I know that cancer patients will be helped:

  • 208sandy
    208sandy Member Posts: 2,610
    edited October 2013
    Why it's Frank Mahovalich - isn't it?

    Cutest Timbits I've seen in a long time.
  • River_Rat
    River_Rat Member Posts: 1,724
    edited October 2013


    Continuing:



    -No pre-existing condition exclusion: so the 31-year-old programmer with Stage 1 breast cancer can change jobs without losing insurance.


    -Healthcare coverage by parents until their child is 26: so families will not lose their homes paying for Hodgkin’ s disease in a 22-year-old.


    -Guaranteed payment by insurers for patients entering experimental trials: So, patients with any insurance can be involved in research, and everyone benefits from the latest advances.


    -Free healthcare screening: So that my 58-year-old neighbor with a family history of colon cancer gets routine exams and life saving colonoscopies.


    -Uniform healthcare insurance standards: So that the 45-year-old man with stomach lymphoma I saw last week, does not have to suffer and die because his employer brought a health policy, which excluded chemotherapy.


    -All health insurance must cover at least one drug of each type: So patients do not have to choose which insurance by which drug they are taking, and prey the doctor does not change his mind.


    -Emergency room visits do not require preauthorization and they cannot be charged as out-of-network; So that Monday morning my patient with lung cancer does not stumble into and collapse in the office after having a fever all weekend.

  • River_Rat
    River_Rat Member Posts: 1,724
    edited October 2013


    Continuing:



    -Psychiatric parity: So that the 41-year-old Mom with advanced melanoma, two kids and a mortgage, whose husband just walked out on her, can get counseling and support.


    -Insurers must cover hospitalizations without a lifetime cap on health costs; So that more than half a million families each year in America will not go bankrupt paying inpatient bills.


    -Guaranteed physical therapy and rehabilitation; So that my patients who are cured of cancer have a real chance to get back to real lives.


    -Prenatal care: So that the national disgrace that is a ridiculously high infant mortality rate will stop killing babies and I can hear children playing outside my window instead of tears.


    -Health insurance for tens of millions of people: So that they can get care and, hopefully, their caregivers will be paid.


    -Finally, and critically, health insurance and policies written not in lawyer-businessman language, but in clear English and every person is guaranteed the right to appeal any coverage decision.

  • River_Rat
    River_Rat Member Posts: 1,724
    edited October 2013


    Conclusion:



    I know that such a massive, complex undertaking, giving medical care to an entire nation, will not go without a hitch. Rumor has it that Pasture kept burning his bands, Salk broke dozens of syringes and Freud, well Freud himself needed therapy. Nevertheless, ObamaCare is a chance. A chance for us toward move toward a compressive, modern, world-class health system, instead of medical chaos, which may hurt as many as it helps.


    My physician colleagues are concerned about the affect of the ACA on their relationship with patients. Doctors worry that information system enforced standards, increased volumes and decreased reimbursements may make it difficult to give personal care. These are important issues and protecting the quality of individual care is vital. Still, I find that when I close the door to the exam room, that it is still just me and the patient and I can deal with the demands of a new system if it means that millions do not need to go without hope.


    What is happening in Washington baffles me. I cannot imagine any of us want to live in world where decisions already made, have no meaning. For physician’s whose word and honor is the key to our bond to patients, that leaders would fail my patients so badly is horrifying. My patients would be distraught if I told them I was going to order one treatment, but gave them another. They would be desperate if I told them to come for a critical test, but locked the door. Their worlds would collapse if the price for treatment were all their savings before we could even begin. I would be betraying all that I know if I told patients they would live, but planned for them to die.


    It is time to move on with this next step in a healthcare revolution, which started 150 years ago. We can change, rebuild, add to or subtract, but for now and future generations we have to try. Simply turning our backs on such an exciting future would be the same as spitting on our hands before operating, inviting polio to return, and treating psychiatric disease with pity. We are smarter than that. We are better than that. We deserve more than that. Let us move forward, not back.

  • bluedahlia
    bluedahlia Member Posts: 6,944
    edited October 2013
  • bluedahlia
    bluedahlia Member Posts: 6,944
    edited October 2013
  • gardengumby
    gardengumby Member Posts: 7,305
    edited October 2013


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    I seem to have to add words if I post a picture

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited October 2013


    Blue - ADORABLE...probably brave too...


    somebody must've colored the 'rooms, right?

  • bluedahlia
    bluedahlia Member Posts: 6,944
    edited October 2013
  • RetiredLibby
    RetiredLibby Member Posts: 1,992
    edited October 2013


    Blue, that is what I have been saying and quoting for months. They are committing sedition at the very least. They need to be investigated, charged, indicted and tried. Nobody will ever do it, but that doesn't mean they aren't committing it.

  • bluedahlia
    bluedahlia Member Posts: 6,944
    edited October 2013
  • RetiredLibby
    RetiredLibby Member Posts: 1,992
    edited October 2013


    I am afraid to cut and paste, so I am just going to link here to yesterday's NYT article detailing how this seditious conspiracy to shut down the government to defund an already-settled law came about. They are terrible people. They are vicious, horrible, soulless, heartless, terrible people who do not want the American people to have affordable health insurance because ... The black guy in the White House. They cannot articulate a valid reason for not wanting people to have health insurance. It must be because they don't want a Democratic president (let alone a black guy) to get credit for reforming the nation's health insurance (and therefore health care) system. It will not cost jobs, it will increase employment, it will lower healthcare costs, it will free people from being tied to a job because of the health insurance it carries (ooh, maybe they don't like the idea that people can change jobs ....), and people won't be going bankrupt so often from medical bills. What kind of terrible people ARE they?


    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/06/us/a-federal-budget-crisis-months-in-the-planning.html?pagewanted=all&_r=1&

  • Bren-2007
    Bren-2007 Member Posts: 6,241
    edited October 2013


    Good Afternoon Gals,


    I am so behind this morning ... it was raining last night and nice and cool, so I slept in this morning.


    Glad to see the mods got the page straightened out. That was so weird.


    Blue .. I love that picture of George .. he's adorable. I read the post about Sedition on FB this morning.


    Hope everyone is having a good day.


    Bren

  • RetiredLibby
    RetiredLibby Member Posts: 1,992
    edited October 2013


    imageHuh. Picture shows up in edit but not in post.


    Trying words and a picture.

  • RetiredLibby
    RetiredLibby Member Posts: 1,992
    edited October 2013


    An interesting article on women's mortality rates in the United States - not doing so well.


    http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2013/10/us-women-are-dying-younger-than-their-mothers-and-no-one-knows-why/280259/


    "It’s easy to forget, amid the hyper-partisan controversy, that the main purpose behind President Obama’s signature health-care reform law is not to curtail individual freedom or send senior citizens to death panels, but to give more Americans access to health insurance. Whether you think the Affordable Care Act is the right solution or a dangerous step toward tyranny, it’s hard to dispute that the U.S. health-care system is broken. More than 48 million people lack health insurance, and despite having the world’s highest levels of health-care spending per capita, the U.S. has some of the worst health outcomes among developed nations, lagging behind in key metrics like life expectancy, premature death rates, and death by treatable diseases, according to a July study in theJournal of the American Medicine Association.



    For some Americans, the reality is far worse than the national statistics suggest. In particular, growing health disadvantages have disproportionately impacted women over the past three decades, especially those without a high-school diploma or who live in the South or West. In March, a study published by the University of Wisconsin researchers David Kindig and Erika Cheng found that in nearly half of U.S. counties, female mortality rates actually increased between 1992 and 2006, compared to just 3 percent of counties that saw male mortality increase over the same period."


    So, as we have already seen from many quotes from (MALE!) opponents of the ACA, women suffer disproportionately poor health outcomes and the law is partly intended to remedy that. Ask yourself why a bunch of old regressive white men want you to be in poor health, to suffer from treatable diseases, and to go bankrupt from medical treatments?


    L

  • ananda8
    ananda8 Member Posts: 2,755
    edited October 2013
    It appears that at least one conservative Republican believes that Republicans have to win elections in order to get their way. Holding the country hostage does not seem to be working.

    “People are totally annoyed,” one GOP fundraiser told the Washington Post.

    Backers of American Crossroads and Crossroads GPS -- two influential Republican fundraising groups -- attended a conference in Washington D.C. over the weekend. According to the Post, many attendees had similar concerns: they wanted to see the end of Obamacare just as much as the next conservative, but not at the cost of a government shutdown.

    “It appears that we’ve got a bunch of crazies running around — one from Texas and some from other places,” Al Hoffman Jr., former finance chairman for the Republican National Committee, told the Post. “I love the idea of defunding Obamacare. However, I don’t think it’s going to happen until we have a majority in the Senate and in the House.”
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/longtime-gop-donors-unnerved-by-shutdown-strategy/2013/10/05/a95b3dac-2d04-11e3-8ade-a1f23cda135e_story.html
  • ananda8
    ananda8 Member Posts: 2,755
    edited October 2013
    Moderators,
    Why do paragraph breaks not show up in posts?
  • gardengumby
    gardengumby Member Posts: 7,305
    edited October 2013


    I was watching CNN for a few moments yesterday morning - not long enough to register in my mind which program it was, but long enough to see that the invitees on the show (both of whom were reporters) were finally talking about the fact that the media is not doing its job. The media should be calling out when people are lying. They shouldn't let them off the hook.


    The media is supposed to be the watchdog - instead it's become the lapdog. They are far either too interested in their ratings, or they've simply been bought off by the right wing idjuts (who are far from being idiots - they are scary, they are smart, they know what they want and have been working to get what they want for a long time.) The people who can see what is going on need to start speaking up and speaking up regularly. There is a HUGE difference between the parties - it needs to be shown.


    Notself - it may be the way your browser is configured. Do you use compatibility mode? I haven't tested, but according to SusieQ turning it off can help.

  • Bren-2007
    Bren-2007 Member Posts: 6,241
    edited October 2013




    This is a test .. copied from Facebook.


    Yay! It worked ... going to try to download a picture from my files.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited October 2013


    FINALLY FINALLY


    President Obama calling for a VOTE by House. Can't believe The Crying One will dodge this.


    I think all who are willing to vote for a clean CR should assemble on the steps of Congress and have a "class picture" taken. Now THAT wold be a classy picture. Jeez - all these teahadists gotta go back to 4th grade & learn How A Bill Becomes A Law. Used to be a part of all elementary school education...but then...well...will say no more


    VOTE!!! Straight Up or Down VOTE!

  • Bren-2007
    Bren-2007 Member Posts: 6,241
    edited October 2013


    For the love of pete ... the system logged me out when I tried to insert a picture. I don't know what's going on. Guess I'll try again.


    I give up .. have tried 3 times to download a picture from my files and the system just keeps logging me out.

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