September 2013 Chemo Group

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  • JellyK
    JellyK Member Posts: 150
    edited October 2013


    Hey all, I posted on FB this morning that I needed positive thoughts cuz it was a hard day, and got an overwhelmingly wonderful bunch of responses, but one in particular I thought we could all use - it's from an acquantance:


    "So, we only know each other very casually, but I want you to know that I hear you. I know from your posts that you are a person of substantial fortitude. In short, you are an impressive individual....a fighter, and a winner. With that said, you have the universe's permission to go low when necessary. So do that. And it will not beat you. You'll be back. Let it blow by you, and get up and fight again when it does. Your friends, close or distant, are all rooting for you, and have your back. All peace to you, sister."

  • kjsimpson
    kjsimpson Member Posts: 445
    edited October 2013


    What a great perspective that your friend shared, JellyK.


    LighthouseLady, love the 'preachy' post. You articulated my sentiments so much better than I could. Every day is a victory for LIFE!

  • 70charger
    70charger Member Posts: 963
    edited October 2013


    I see I'm not the only one up late. 2 hrs til meds & still can't sleep.


    Thanks for the kind thoughts, our friend will not be in care for long, but he will be more comfortable.


    Thank you to all who post their trial & errors on here. Club soda is really helping with the fuzzy mouth this time.


    It is really nice to see the support you ladies receive from your friends. Hold them close they are precious.

  • KBeee
    KBeee Member Posts: 5,109
    edited October 2013


    magpie - welcome. Which chemo regimen are you on? TC, TCH, or AC-T? The side effects vary a bit with each regimen and they definitely vary person to person. I have had just one round so far, and the side effects were generally mild.


    70charger - So very sorry to hear about your friend.


    ksimpson - those shirts are awesome. If there is one thing about this journey for which I am grateful, it's that it has shown me the best that humanity has to offer and shown me how much people really do care. It is something I will never forget. I hope you are feeling better and able to go for your walk today, even if only around the block.


    Kimberley - I hope that you get definitive answers from your oncologist and that you can develop a clear plan that you are comfortable with.


    JellyK - I love the response you posted. I especially love the "we all have your back"...I have found that to be so true.

  • lighthouselady
    lighthouselady Member Posts: 752
    edited October 2013


    JellyK - That's awesome! I think that's something we all need to remember... we are ALLOWED to have down time, a bad day (or three), a day of rest, etc. We don't have to be "on" every second!


    Kimberly - Thanks for your sweet words. I wasn't trying to sound like a cheerleader or anything, I just try to live each day with my glass half full, you know?


    KJSimpson - that's awesome about what your friends are doing. Mine did t-shirts for me, too, but I'd probably benefit more if they did like yours and motivated me to walk! LOL


    So fall has finally hit in west Texas. Yesterday it was sunny and 90. Right now it is cloudy, windy and 57! I love it, though! Too bad I have to be outside all day - three softball games and a football game. Yikes! Hopefully it doesn't wear me out too much! Feeling pretty good this week, but one new annoying SE - a tickly throat at night. I wonder if it's like a post-nasal drip kind of thing since my nose hairs went AWOL? I'm constantly waking up to cough, but it's just from the dry/tickly throat, not a "sick" cough. Annoying.

  • knightzoo
    knightzoo Member Posts: 171
    edited October 2013


    I love the shirts and inspiration! I'm all about staying positive! My friends made hoodies that say "Jen's Rack Pack" on the front and U-KNIGHT-ED on the back, I love them. They've sold over 50!


    I'm charging my phone in my car-no power for 20 hours and over 3 feet of snow. Thank heaven for gas fireplaces. My parents say this is the worst blizzard they've seen. And bonus, I had a good night with the no Benadryl, less steroids adjustment.


    Take care all!

  • lighthouselady
    lighthouselady Member Posts: 752
    edited October 2013


    Wow - three feet of snow! I would love that. So would my kids! LOL Being snowed in with a book and a fireplace sounds great! I'm glad you had a good night. I love the "Jen's Rack Pack" - that's awesome! The shirts my friends made have a lighthouse on the front and say "Beacon of Hope" with "for Michelle" in small print on the lighthouse itself. They are pretty.

  • Ekaterina
    Ekaterina Member Posts: 34
    edited October 2013


    Thanks Kbee I will try this and good to know that it will go away. I really appreciate your response. Thank you and hope you are feeling good this weekend. Best K

  • soccermomof4
    soccermomof4 Member Posts: 117
    edited October 2013


    Talking about the pinkoctober - tonight at my daughters soccer game they are having a "pink out" for cancer where everyone wheres these horrible bright pink shirts to raise money for cancer. Great idea, but I hate pink. But I've go tmy hot pink shirt on. I am hoping I don't get any extra attention from it

  • KBeee
    KBeee Member Posts: 5,109
    edited October 2013


    Knightzoo- I love "Jen's rack pack". That's awesome!!!!! They have ordered pink t shirts for everyone at work, and once they come in, the guys (and one other girl) will wear them as their duty shirts until I am finished with treatments...that'll be really cool. The wife of one of my co-workers is also fighting BC, so we will make sure she is done with treatments too. She does not need chemo, but has had a ton of complications from surgery. I hope someone has shoveled you out! That is a lot of snow. We had 3 feet when I lived in Pennsylvania once. I worked for about 56 hours straight. No one could get in, and I could not get home. It was fun though!


    It is absolutely perfect weather here. It was in the 50s this morning. That meant when I set out for my run/walk, I could wear a workout hat on my head and not look like a freak...yahoo! I set out to just run a couple miles, but I felt so good, I just kept running and running. I was my longest run in years. It was probably my slowest one, but who cares, it felt awesome! I hope the weather stays this way until January!

  • knightzoo
    knightzoo Member Posts: 171
    edited October 2013


    KBee, you'd hate this! Over 30,000 without power. No travel allowed until 6am Sunday. Not a plow in sight. Anyone with a snowmobile is being asked to call emergency services to assist in finding people who are still stranded in vehicles from yesterday. When I left the hospital yesterday it was on code snow, none of the floor nurses can leave unless someone comes to replace them. Craziness!

  • KBeee
    KBeee Member Posts: 5,109
    edited October 2013


    You are right, I would hate, hate, hate that. I really am NOT a fan of winter. The only reason it was fun last time is because I was working...and I was in college and had no classes (it was spring break) or other responsibilities to speak of. I had generators, food, and friends with me. I hope warmer weather comes and melts it soon, and I hope the power companies can get power restored quickly so that normalcy returns. It sounds just awful. I also hope your side effects aren't too bad, and thT someone comes and shovels you out so that you can rest.

  • alfranco
    alfranco Member Posts: 200
    edited October 2013


    question: this morning I almost past out. Don't know if my blood pressure went down,but I did not feel good at all. Anybody have any ideas? My kids got a bit scared. Me too.

  • bondsy
    bondsy Member Posts: 94
    edited October 2013


    Thank you for all your tips! Yesterday, October 4, was my first chemo. I'm feeling well today so far. But had an issue with my chest port yesterday that made things kind of unpleasant. Apparently there was a "kink" in the catheter and the IV wouldn't drip. So they had to go through an arm vein. The whole reason I went through the painful insertion of the chest port was to avoid my veins because they collapse easily and are very hard to find. But the chemo nurse was very capable and went slow and it turned out fine. Now I have an appointment in the interventional radiology dept to either have the port replaced or just remove it entirely and take my chances with the veins. Any thoughts or experiences about that? I just can't decide. This time the veins were ok, but what about the next time? I have only three more infusions, but also the three blood draws, so six attempts at my veins might be too many.

  • KBeee
    KBeee Member Posts: 5,109
    edited October 2013


    alfranco - Your blood pressure could be low, especially if you just stood up. (orthostatic hypotension can happen...your pulse gets fast, and your BP drops). When your hemoglobin is low, your body just can't compensate as well. It also can happen if your body is overwhelmed by infection or something, so it does warrant a call to your MO. Bloodwork would help to reveal the cause. In the meantime, if you are lying down, sit up for a minute before standing, and if you feel dizzy at all, no matter where you are, sit down or lie down immediately so that you do not pass out, strike your head and injure yourself from the fall. I hope you're feeling better.


    Ekaterina - I should add that I also drank a lot of smoothies. I peel and freeze bananas by the bunches. My two "go-to's are:


    1. Frozen banana, ice, a little water, yogurt, and whatever other assorted fruit or frozen fruit we have around thrown in.


    2. Frozen banana, 1 orange peeled and pits removed, 1 apple peeled and core removed, a handful of canned or frozen (or fresh) pineapple, 1 cup of frozen spinach, and some ice cubes and some water


    You do need to have a good blender, but I make these all the time and they are wonderful, wonderful, wonderful on my sore throat. They also get some of the fruits and veggies I might not otherwise get into me on my potato and pasta-type days.

  • LisaSp
    LisaSp Member Posts: 253
    edited October 2013


    Bondsy: You're going to need your best judgment on this after you consult the radiology people and your MO. What do they think is the safest/best option for you? Interestingly, I've only had one blood draw for my blood counts; the other two were fingersticks.


    Today was a very good day for me. I felt nearly normal. Last chemo in two days. I hope it won't be too hard!

  • alfranco
    alfranco Member Posts: 200
    edited October 2013


    thank you KBeee

  • kjsimpson
    kjsimpson Member Posts: 445
    edited October 2013


    Alfranco,


    Could it be that you were dehydrated? When I am not getting enough liquids, I get dizzy and feel like I'm going to pass out. Since liquids taste so different during chemo then I often have a hard time getting enough in.


    The smoothie idea has been good for me too. Fruit seems to be one thing that holds it's flavor for me. So the fruit smoothies are healthy and, combined with the ice and high liquid content of most fruits, help keep me hydrated.

  • kjsimpson
    kjsimpson Member Posts: 445
    edited October 2013


    LisaSp,

    Glad you had a good day! It is nice to feel nearly normal. :-)

  • mfm48
    mfm48 Member Posts: 110
    edited October 2013


    Re: the flu shot. I got one the day before I had my second round of T/C on Thursday. No noticeable SE's from the shot. They recommended it b/c I am so immunocompromised. I am surprised and a little nervous that I am seeing contradictory advice about whether to get it. Just hope it can't hurt :) Expecting a tough week of SE's.


    Lengbong, I had a terrible time with upper back pain during my first round. My SE's lasted 16 days, and I thought I'd be done in 10! . Nurse said it might be my muscles compensating for bone pain from Neulasta shot. Had my second Neulasta shot yesterday. I felt some back pain last night, took 2 percocet, felt fine today. Managed with Ibuprofen all day. Might head for the percocet again shortly as it is starting to flare up again. If there's anything I've learned through my many surgeries its to get AHEAD of the pain. Otherwise it takes you down. Also, rest. Took a long nap today. LOVED the post about resting and how important it is. Hard to slow down sometimes. And don't forget to HYDRATE! Get all this poison through the system! Good weekend everyone!

  • Viji
    Viji Member Posts: 195
    edited October 2013


    A Question: is it important to hydrate for the first week only or throughout the treatment?


    Another: Why is it that I haven't been given the neulasta shot that you all talk about-it is only done in America?


    And-what do you do when family doesn't understand that there are certain things you feel like eating and that you can't always enjoy what they cook? Just venting...


    Thanks


    Viji

  • alfranco
    alfranco Member Posts: 200
    edited October 2013


    kjsimpson-it could have been,but I hadn't felt like that since my biopsy. I fainted after that one, lol. It is very hard to keep myself hydrated since I have never been a big water drinker. This is why I get hydrated twice a week. Thank you all, hope you have no se. God Bless.

  • Ekaterina
    Ekaterina Member Posts: 34
    edited October 2013


    Kbee thanks for the smoothie advice it sounds great and I will definitely start doing these. I finally got some Magic Mouthwash from my MO which is helping to numb the area at night so I can sleep. I just hope it goes away soon as I will be very nervous going into another round with it being this sore. Thank you again and so glad you had such a great run. K

  • mfm48
    mfm48 Member Posts: 110
    edited October 2013


    Viji - the Neulasta shot works to create new White blood cells that are being destroyed by the chemo to help prevent infection. I think there are other versions as well. You should ask your MO. As for hydrating, I try to drink a gallon of water a day (64 oz, not sure how many liters). It helps flush the system of everything and keeps some of the SE's (constipation, etc.) at bay. Good luck!

  • mfm48
    mfm48 Member Posts: 110
    edited October 2013


    I read somewhere no fresh/raw fruits and vegetables when you are in the neutropenia stage (low wbc's) because they carry more bacteria. That would rule out my smoothies - anyone else read that?

  • JellyK
    JellyK Member Posts: 150
    edited October 2013


    My onc said all veggies & fruit needed to be at least steamed, for that reason. Or fruit with a thick skin is ok, like bananas. Btu not everyone goes neutropenic, and the risk is along the same lines as going out in public - if you know your counts are low don't do it.


    Have had a headache all night, pretty sure it's from dehydration - even the tiniest sip of water makes me gag and I'm out of orange juice...I guess it might be worth the trip to the store though. I know that in a few days I'll be okay again, but I hate this little zone of time when I feel like complete doo-doo :-( Yesterday we went to a pumpkin patch with my sister's in-laws - a fantastic group of people - but I had to leave early because I was dizzy and sunburnt (totally forgot about the sun thing, it's been rainy for so long, lol). My kids got to stay but I literally cried on the way home, I was so disappointed. But then once I got home I sat out on the deck (in the shade) and just relaxed for the first time in a really long time. No one was hanging on me or needing something or asking about dinner plans...I just sat and listened to the breeze. It was wonderful :-)

  • KBeee
    KBeee Member Posts: 5,109
    edited October 2013


    Everything I put into my smoothies is washed and then peeled, or it is frozen or canned, so I have been able to do them. I think the raw fruits/veggies thing is mostly during the Nadir period, and luckily, my throat was not as sore then as it was the first week. I have heard and read that, though my MO just said if they were thoroughly washed, they were OK. All seem to have very different opinions though. I did not eat raw salad greens, carrots, and such (though I did eat some tomatoes after washing them because they came from my garden). I also sometimes used canned mandarin oranges ( in place of fresh) and pineapples, and basically whatever else was in the house. I don't always follow the recipe to a tee, so you can leave out any of the fresh stuff during the Nadir period.

  • kjsimpson
    kjsimpson Member Posts: 445
    edited October 2013


    mfm48,

    I haven't been told that. Any food or liquid (even water) has the potential for bacteria. Seems to make sense that they are well washed and/or peeled. I have caved and refuse to approve the 3 second floor rule for the duration of chemo. If it gets to the floor, it goes out the door. ;-)

  • SpecialK
    SpecialK Member Posts: 16,486
    edited October 2013


    mfm - you can peel them to eliminate the bacteria, or use an anti-bacterial produce wash. I was not warned to avoid any foods, but I also did receive Neulasta. If you are getting it you do not experience the neutropenic period. My DS is a fireman in Ashburn!

  • kjsimpson
    kjsimpson Member Posts: 445
    edited October 2013


    All,


    A friend suggested graviola tree fruit/extract as something new on the scene to treat cancer. Looking it up and doing some research, I think it might hold some promise with research. However, I'm going to talk to the doctor before I consider it. Thoughts??

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