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I am so fed up with letrozole side effects. I have been on this drug since Dec. 2012. My aches and pains worsen as the days go one. I have  trigger fingers and thumb on my left hand, at first I didn't mind it, but now it's painful, and now my right hand is slowly but surely displaying the same symptoms...you don't really notice at first then it's full blown before you realize it. I ache all over...God forbid I sit down for five minutes, then I can't get up. The morning is horrendous,  every part if my body aches. Is this drug worth it? Should I take my chances and stop taking it? In God's master plan my time is up when its up...so why am I bothering with this poison?

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  • Racy
    Racy Member Posts: 2,651
    edited October 2013

    Hi, I'm sorry you are having these side effects. You should discuss these issues with your oncologist as you may be able to try a different drug.



    Please see your onc asap.

  • Moderators
    Moderators Member Posts: 25,912
    edited October 2013

    Senga, we're sorry you're going through all this.

    If it helps, you can take a look at the Topic: FEMARA (chemical name: letrozole), under the Hormonal Therapy - Before, During and After forum, where you'll find lots and lots of posts and members that have gone through different experiences with this drug.

    Best wishes,

    The Mods

     

  • BayouBabe
    BayouBabe Member Posts: 2,221
    edited October 2013


    I have been in the same position as you in my thoughts lately. I have decided to stop my med, and ask for a prescription switch to Arimidex when I see my MO in three weeks. I am seriously hoping I get a bit of relief in the med free weeks ahead, as well as fewer side effects with the Arimidex. There is no way I can endure this degree of pain for over 4 more years.

  • AmyQ
    AmyQ Member Posts: 2,182
    edited October 2013


    I am sorry you are experiencing these SE's - I agree see your Onc for a switch in meds. Good luck -

  • Senga1
    Senga1 Member Posts: 332
    edited October 2013


    Thank you all for your input and advice. I will talk to my onc. and discuss some other hormonal treatment. I am so thankful for this website. Blessings to you all!

  • Senga1
    Senga1 Member Posts: 332
    edited October 2013


    BayouBabe, I would be interested to hear if your side effects stop completely when you have your couple of week free meds.,and your experience with Armidex. I too can't and don't want this pain for the next 4 years. Good luck.

  • duckyb1
    duckyb1 Member Posts: 13,369
    edited October 2013


    senga.....been on this devil pill since July 2011......my SE'S are like yours.....knees, hands, feet, fingers, edema, and it gets no better........I feel as you.......when do we consider QOL...for length of life.......what good is living if this pill physically ends what life you have..........the only thing that keeps me on it is realizing if the cancer comes back.........God knows where, and you still end up in pain, and facing more cancer........was gonna ask about a switch too, but not sure if the same thing will happen.......it stinks

  • BayouBabe
    BayouBabe Member Posts: 2,221
    edited October 2013


    senga1 - I will try and remember to stop back and let all of you know how it went. Last night was the first night without Femara. MO appointment is October 22. Got my fingers crossed for some pain free days ahead! Wish me luck!

  • Senga1
    Senga1 Member Posts: 332
    edited October 2013


    Good luck and God Bless!

  • Senga1
    Senga1 Member Posts: 332
    edited October 2013


    You're right Ducky.. it stinks...my worry just like you is about the cancer coming back...In between a rock and a hard place for sure...........i don't like pushing ibuprofen etc. into my body.....it doesn't work for me. My friend has convinced me to take 3 glucosamine with chroindon pills three times a day for a month without missing any days, and she swears it will alleviate most of the pain. I started yesterday Oct 7 and I will evaluate how my body has reacted to glucosamine by Nov. 7. I know I must discipline myself and remember to take the pills everyday without fail.Will talk on Nov. 7.


    It's Thanksgiving in Canada this weekend so Happy Thanksgiving from Kingston, Ontario, and thank you all so much for your input and support.

  • BayouBabe
    BayouBabe Member Posts: 2,221
    edited October 2013


    I just had to update. I have been off the Femara for a mere 5 days. I am happy - actually happy - on the Femara I felt my emotions were very flat. Also, I am a teacher. One of the teachers I team teach with told me today that she sees a difference in me already. She said that most days she can see the pain on my face and in how I hold my body throughout the day. She said this week, for the first time, my face is relaxed. I knew the pain was bad, but until she told me this, I did not know others could see it. My joints are still a bit sore, but I can make a fist with minimal pain in my hands; I can get out of bed in the morning and move almost immediately; I can get out of my car and not look like I am 85 years old. Oh my gosh - this is how I felt before BC! I am alive!


    So not looking forward to another prescription for another AI in two weeks. The real me is still in here. Not sure if I can put her back to sleep until my five years are complete. This is going to be hard!

  • Senga1
    Senga1 Member Posts: 332
    edited October 2013


    It's wonderful that you are feeling much better, so happy for you.......enjoy and savor these next few weeks. Just keep thinking those positive thoughts for Oct. 22.......you will make the right decision keep us all updated re the next stage of your journey..Lots of prayers happening for you.............


    Take care and God Bless.....


    Had to edit this post twice because of auto-correct, even had to edit this sentence..it read


    "Had to eat the milk or mice nicely "?????...technology!

  • SweetHope
    SweetHope Member Posts: 439
    edited September 2016

    I want to bump this thread and hope the contributors respond with an update on how they are doing now.

    My trigger thumb has been in a splint for a month. Now the ring finger on other hand is triggering. I can't close either hand...can't hold a cup of coffee...ugh! Getting going is a slow process. Combined with the weight gain and truncal and arm lymphodema, cancer treatments just keep on giving.

    After many sleepless nights and tearful days, I stopped taking letrozole five days ago. Next month is mammogram and dexa scan, then appointment with oncologist in November. (I saw her nurse practitioner in July and was referred to a surgeon for the trigger thumb! She said it was not the Femara. I left that visit very disillusioned about the smarts in that office.)

    I definitely am concerned about a recurrence, and want to be on hormone therapy, but these side affects became too much to accept.


  • marijen
    marijen Member Posts: 3,731
    edited September 2016


    http://www.rxlist.com/femara-drug/side-effects-int...

    Trigger thumb is a side effect of letrozole. I have one too after over a year on the drug, it came out of nowhere, just woke up with it Been wearing a thumbstabilizer from Walmart, makes it better. If that doesn't work doctor has a shot. I refuse to do surgery, will stop the drug instead. Never knew how much I need my thumb!



  • SweetHope
    SweetHope Member Posts: 439
    edited September 2016

    So true! My right thumb is useless most of the time. I use athletic tape that seals itself around the whole thumb. Two wraps of it make a stiff sleeve that I can take off to wash my hands. One roll makes about seven sleeves. They get dirty so quickly. But this is so much better than surgery.

    My ring finger can't stand being wrapped. I did not mention it before, but both middle fingers trigger occasionally.

    The thought of getting cortisone shots in my hands gives me the willys.



  • marijen
    marijen Member Posts: 3,731
    edited September 2016

    How long were you on the letrozole before the triggering started? These thumb stabilizers are easy to hand wash and dry quickly. About $15.

  • SweetHope
    SweetHope Member Posts: 439
    edited September 2016

    Started with anastrozole July 2015 but after 6 months I had weeks of severe diarrhea so MO switched me to Femara; so it has been less than 9 months because the thumb trigger started this past July.

    Thanks for the info on the thumb stabilizer.

  • ChiSandy
    ChiSandy Member Posts: 12,133
    edited September 2016

    Let me give you a different perspective about trigger thumbs and joint issues. I am someone who had them before letrozole and continues to have them. It’s a function of aging--and reduced estrogen is part and parcel of that. My left thumb first started triggering a year after I had my last period. Ergo, estrogen deprivation. (I’m a guitarist, so I really need to take care of my digits). At first it was painless and slight (the clicking was annoying but not troublesome) but when I needed my right hand to straighten it out, I had a cortisone shot--which worked nearly instantly and lasted three years. Then it wore off, and not only was my L thumb hard to straighten, it hurt on both flexion & extension. I had another shot just so I could do a short concert tour and had the surgery two weeks later. I recovered so completely I can’t even tell where the incision was. About 5 mos. after starting letrozole, my R thumb started triggering. Probably the letrozole...but maybe not. A shot didn’t work, 6 wks later I scheduled surgery, and 2 wks after that it got better. So I’m postponing the surgery (which, BTW, is one of the most effective surgeries in medicine--right up there with tooth extraction and cataract removal). We’ll see.

    I also had bone-on-bone OA in both knees--traumatic in origin, as it started with injury to one and then a fracture (hit by a car) to the other. I took glucosamine & chondroitin and it worked...but only as long as I still had cartilage. Eventually had them replaced, a year apart. Next to cutting out my cancer, best surgical decisions I ever made. Still have OA in cervical & lumbar spine and feet--started way before letrozole (and the c-spine 25 years before menopause). Glucosamine & chondroitin work only if you have enough cartilage for it to get your body to make enough hyaluronic acid to lubricate it--and many think it may be a placebo effect. (Three orthopedists have told me this over the years). But once the cartilage is gone, it’s gone and the best you can do is replace the joint (with a teflon surface instead of cartilage).

    But it works only for joint problems that arise in the joint. Though trigger thumb & finger affect your ability to flex and extend those joints, they don’t arise in the joint, but rather the flexor-extensor tendon. It is not arthritis!!!! The tendon is like a pulley that moves up & back beneath a sheath. Triggering happens when a nodule forms on the tendon, the sheath becomes swollen, or both. Cortisone (yeah, it hurts but only for about 10 seconds) relieves the inflammation and shrinks the nodule. But it eventually wears off and you can get shots in the same spot only 3X in your life, because it eventually thins soft tissue. (Same reason you should be very careful using hydrocortisone cream on already thin and delicate skin). The surgery is simply cutting just enough of a slit so that the tendon moves freely--and the improvement is dramatic. My R hand is on my lymphedema arm, yet both the shot & surgery are perfectly safe--acc. to my lymphedema doc who is probably the best LE specialist in America.

    So go ahead and take glucosamine & chondroitin--if you truly believe it’ll work, it might because of the placebo effect, but more than likely you’ll be spending a fortune on gigantic horse pills that you will end up peeing out.

  • ChiSandy
    ChiSandy Member Posts: 12,133
    edited September 2016

    More about letrozole: experiment with different generic manufacturers. Different generics have more or fewer side effects. That is often due to the list of inactive ingredients: colors, binders, fillers, preservatives, etc. With letrozole, there is only one generic with fewer inactive ingredients than the brand name Femara (which is hideously expensive and covered by almost NO insurer): Roxane. It’s also dirt cheap. No dyes or talc, few if any allergens or metal salts that can irritate. I had no SEs on it at all. But it’s getting harder to find. Next comes the aforementioned Femara. And after that, Teva has the fewest inactive ingredients and fewest recorded side effects according to many who post on BCO. And that’s the one my independent pharmacy has been able to get. I have SEs but they’re relatively mild.

    But the big chain (and mail-order) pharmacies sell you what they have, which is most often Accord or Sun--some brick-and-mortar stores’ pharmacists might be willing to order you the generic of your choice, but most won’t--they get whatever their corporate distributor can get most cheaply. And mail-order pharmacies specify right in the contract that they reserve the right to change generic suppliers without recourse to the consumer. You get what they give you. Take it or leave it. Like it or lump it. On these boards, more problems are encountered with Accord and Sun letrozole than with Femara (Novartis), Teva, or Roxane. (BTW, my husband’s a cardiologist and he says his patients have fewer and milder side effects with Teva generics, regardless of what drug).

    My peeve is that not only will my Medicare Part D carrier, (in)Humana Enhanced, not cover Femara--they won’t cover ANY letrozole unless I “fail" three months of “step therapy” on generic anastrozole. (How do they define “fail?” That your estrogen levels don’t drop or your cancer recurs? Odds are that unless the SEs are crippling or life-threatening, they don’t count that as “failure of therapy”). So I’m out of pocket. My first month I wasn’t yet on Medicare, and with United Health PPO, I paid $9 for Roxane. Next month I was on Medicare, and the price doubled to $17. Then my pharmacist couldn’t get Roxane, so I got Teva--and the price has fluctuated between $27-30/mo. Not expensive for what it’s supposed to do, but way cheaper (1/10 the price) than Femara--and that’s the Canadian internet price for Femara from Novartis UK. In the U.S., it’s $700-900/month!!!!

    I would first switch generic mfrs., then if that doesn’t help, ask for a short “vacation” from letrozole. If the SE’s reverse, then try a different AI. Just like antidepressants, it’s impossible to tell who will do best on which, until you try them.

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