Can't believe what I have been doing......

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wintersocks
wintersocks Member Posts: 922
edited June 2014 in Lymphedema
Can't believe what I have been doing......

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  • wintersocks
    wintersocks Member Posts: 922
    edited September 2013

    I am desperate to get back to work, so I started my gardening again. I was asked to lift really heavy bins with leaves/branches and tip them into a jeep. I did this for 4 days. All the time I was thinking about my right arm which has 'mild lymphodema'.   I don't think there is any change although things feel 'tighter' around the chest area. 

    This is a temporary contract I am working for a large organisation. They don't know about my lymphodema. 

    I'm not sure what to do now and the signs I should be looking for if I have 'triggered' a more serious lymphodema and indeed about the job. But I need the money, having been now out of a job 18 months plus due to bc and other health issues. I am so depressed I feel whatever I do I just can't win. Really at a loss.... 

  • kira66715
    kira66715 Member Posts: 4,681
    edited September 2013

    Wintersocks, the "ideal" is to go slow with exercise, but it sounds like you're pretty physically fit.

    Has your arm swollen at all? Do you wear a compression sleeve?

    We need to go on and live our lives, and that's what you're doing.

    Right now, I'd recommend you stay hydrated, elevate the arm, and check for swelling/pain.

    Do you have any more work scheduled? And have you been lifting before?

    Some women can't do much without swelling, and others can do a lot. And a lot of women who post on this board have gradually increased their exercise, some using weights, and can do a whole lot.

    We're all different, and sure, lifting heavy bins for 4 days isn't ideal, but it sounds like you made it through the experience without triggering a big flare.

    Here's a link to the stepupspeakout site, and exercise information is on the right hand side. http://www.stepup-speakout.org/

    If you have a lymphedema therapist, that person can check you out, and you should watch for swelling, "pitting"--puffy swelling that leaves an indent when you press on it, and pain or redness of the skin.

    You have to live your life, and not feel trapped by the lymphedema, and this sounds like a rough job for you, and hopefully you can test your limits in a less extreme situation next.

  • wintersocks
    wintersocks Member Posts: 922
    edited September 2013

    Kira

    Thanks for your reply.  My arm does not seem to be any more swollen than 'pre- bins', but it does feel tighter. It already 'pits' when I press into it - there is the mild lymphodema already present. 

    I have pain, but that is all over (I think it is muscular, cos of the work), I have not worked for a while you see.

    Yes I have more work scheduled, Weds thru Fri. I am unsure whether to take it as I am so worried now about lymphodema ++ developing.

    I did wear a sleeve, but when I looked at my hand it looked a bit 'purply', I became alarmed at that and removed it after about 3 hours. I don't know whether I should carry   on with it?

    Yes, it is a 'rough' job and the guy I was working with was horrid, kinda barking orders at me. I just worked as hard as I could given my limitations, but I am not sure if I can do same this coming week....

    I agree a less extreme situation is what is needed, but unfortunately it is the one I am in......and I need the money as I have been left a bit high and dry following a relationship ending. I have a child too.

    It's all too hard post bc .

    The website you recommended is great I have had a quick look through. I am going to have a sleep (afternoon here) as I am just so tired. 

  • kira66715
    kira66715 Member Posts: 4,681
    edited September 2013

    Winter, if you're pitting, you have a fair amount of fluid, and swelling. I'm not sure who termed your Lymphedema " mild", but I think you really need to get some treatment for it, and protect yourself.



    It also sounds as though your sleeve may not fit too well, and a glove or gauntlet would help, to stop fluid from going into your hand.



    If you can, can you not return to this job? Can you let them know you have Lymphedema and do this kind of lifting yet?



    It sounds like things are tough on many levels, but I think this kind of work is putting you in harm's way: mild Lymphedema shouldn't be pitting, but that category is arbitrary. I find it better to consider it well controlled or poorly controlled, and I think your arm needs some therapy.



    Can you say no to this job?

  • wintersocks
    wintersocks Member Posts: 922
    edited September 2013

    Kira, 

    Thanks for being so kind to respond. 

    my skin (upper arm) does 'pit' when I press my fingers into it. That is on the upper arm.   The sleeve felt very 'tight' and dug into my elbow crease. This is the first time I have worn it, so I am not sure if it's sposed to do that. As the hand went a purply colour, is that fluid?

    I was assessed at the hospital , and had both arms measured by a lymphodema nurse and she told me it was  'mild'. She advised me to use a lotion and move the fluid 'up' my arm by stroking it lightly. This was pre my job. 

    The job?, that is difficult. If I refuse I might get my benefits stopped, I can speak to them tomorrow. I am really scared of doing the wrong thing whichever way and making situations worse.....

    The bc never stops even when ned......   

  • kira66715
    kira66715 Member Posts: 4,681
    edited September 2013

    Winter, so this is the first time you wore the sleeve, so you don't know if it fits well and if your arm measurements changed. The fact that you still always have pitting cries out for more treatment, IMO.

    There is a strong arguement that hands should be protected when sleeves are worn, and there are off the shelf compression gloves, made for arthritis that people can buy in the US, or you can get a gauntlet from the lymphedema nurse. The fact that your hand became purple makes me think the sleeve is too tight and perhaps doesn't fit you well.

    Couple of references:

    about hand protection: http://www.lymphedivas.com/handprotection.asp

    about how garments should fit: http://www.stepup-speakout.org/proper_fitting_of_lymphedema_garments.htm

    Winter, I get so upset/mad when I think about how your needs aren't being met: the nurse was useless, IMO. She didn't give you the tools you need to move forward--explain about hand protection, remeasure you, explain how to proceed with exercise, what to do with a flare, and explain that if fluid hangs around in the tissue it can:  create permanent changes--fibrosis, weird fat deposition, and make the lymphedema much harder to treat, increase your risk for serious skin infections.

    You need the tools and care to be able to support you and your child.

    Can you see another nurse or go back for reassessment. The studies show that the biggest risk for severe lymphedema, is the presence of mild lymphedema. You're just at risk, and that risk can be managed, but they need to help you.

  • Binney4
    Binney4 Member Posts: 8,609
    edited September 2013

    Ah, Winter, I'm just now reading this and I'm so sorry for this mountain of worries and responsibilities you're trying to climb. Just the cranky boss would be enough to undo most women, so BRAVA for you for the way you're handling all this!

    First things first: you need help to reduce the pitting edema in your arm. You need therapy, not just a sleeve. (And good for you for taking it off when your hand turned purplish!Wink No, that color is not caused by the lymph fluid, but by cutting off the blood circulation to your hand and fingersSurprised--a clear indication that the sleeve isn't right for you.) The immediate danger of an untreated lymphedema arm (especially in your job situation) is a dangerous infection called cellulitis, which can happen with even the smallest skin break. Stagnant lymph fluid is warm and protein-rich--the perfect breeding ground for bacteria. What you MOST can't afford right now is a serious infection that puts you in hospital for a week or more. Therapy isn't optional, it's your first line of defense.

    What's available? Can you go back to the nurse and insist on some therapy for your arm? If you learned to wrap it, you would likely be able to continue your work immediately, even wrapped (I have one lympher friend who is a Texas rancher, and she does all her ranch work wrapped.) It does take some practice to get the self-wrapping right, but a few days or even a couple of weeks spent doing that will spare you a whole lot of grief and set you up to get back into the work force SAFELY.

    You're an incredibly resiliant woman, an inspiration--though I doubt you feel like one right nowFrown. Please don't let any of this--the job, the lymphedma, the worries--cheat you out of enjoying your child today. Hugs, healing thoughts, prayers,
    Binney

  • wintersocks
    wintersocks Member Posts: 922
    edited September 2013

    Kira and Binny,

    Oh thanks for your replies, I must admit I had a little cry at your kind words. It's been so tough all round ( I know too that others have had a tough time with this).

    Kira, Yes, I was wondering if I should get one of those sleeeves too. I was beginning to think the 'purpley mottled look' was not right and that's why I removed it!  - Wow, Binny didn't think it was a circulation thing - Whoops! Surprised

    I think it is probably sensible to go back and see the nurse and get her to have another look, as I have been very physical with that arm. I am so worried about getting cellulitus (I had it mildly) following my mx. I got on anti-d's for that.  

    I am so pleased to hear about your rancher friend being able to work with the 'wrapping' - that has never been mentioned to me. I will search for that in those links sent. 

    Binny, yes I am resilient, but I confess I am completely worn out at the moment. But I think I need to be sensible and put the job to one side, until I can be sure my arm is protected. It would be dreadful to end up with a serious complication, for what is esentially a short term contract job.  Also, I cannot bear the thought of working with that guy. He didn't even say please/thanks.

    These people that behave like that make our lives so much harder. 

    I thank you both for your kind thoughts. I really needed it todayFrown 

     

     

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