September 2013 Chemo Group
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Lighthouse--great idea for ML40! Just tell your M-I-L that you would really rather spend time with her when this is over and you feel up to doing things instead of when you were run down and not feeling up to things. Plan an " I kicked chemo's butt" celebration instead!
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For everyone with mouth sores, GNC store has new chewable LGlutamine tabs. They are berry flavor and I have chewed one 1 day prior and 4 days post treatment with ZERO mouth sores!! So much easier then mixing powder etc..just throw them in your handbag and you are ready. How do you all suck on popsicles during treatment? Just curious? Do you bring a cooler or something? I have had 2 AC treatments so far with no mouth issues,and I suspect it is from the Glutamine. It is great for muscle recovery as well. Maybe that helps with bone pain also?? Research it ..lots of info about the supplement on the internet. Hope this info helps!!
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ML40, I had the same problem with my mom. I would suggest to give the specific things they can do. Perhaps, they could make some meals for you. I got my mom a 10 pound tube of meat and told her to make meatloafs, meatballs, etc. That way she felt important and helpful and it is great to have the food in the freezer. If ey are coming from out if town and refuse to stay away, I would stow away at a friend's house, or plan some other get-away. You need to think of you first. I'm sorry you are dealing with this. It is so hard.
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Treatment number two is in the books! Only 7 more to go before I break free from that place! I am feeling pretty good so far. I have not had much time to read over ever ones posts, I will try to catch up over the weekend.
I have meet some awesome people in the chemo room and I always leave there feeling inspired by all the people fighting all these cancer battles. I really like seeing some of the friends and family who come with the patients. Today a lady brought in her great grand daughter who had just graduated from culinary school. I do not think the great grand daughter had any idea how much having her there meant to her great grandmother. She was just beaming and introducing her to everyone. It was just the simple gift of time.
I chewed on ice non stop to try to help with the icky mouth. I hope that will help a little. I do use the Biotene rinse a couple times a day.
I hope everyone gets lots of rest tonight. -
thanks so much Gilded.
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Starting chemo next Thursday so I guess that puts me in the September group. Very anxious. Port goes in tomorrow
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Hi ladies
Internet down so I am waaayyy behind
Had a good weekend...went to the local fair...danced my ass off in the beer tent and caught up with friends...life is good
Tomorrow I see my onc...get my bloodwork done and visit with my son...2nd chemo on monday
Had my thoracic mri this week...recommended by radiologist after bone scan...hoping its just more bad discs and not cancer
Pretty bad when more deterioration of the spine is a positive outcome but I guess anything is better than finding out that the cancer has spread
Not having any of the metal taste that others are experiencing...can pretty much eat whatever I want at this point but throat still raw from the vomiting...gonna check on that tomorrow
Not much else...gonna get a bowl of pumpkin pie ice cream and see if I can get caught up
Stay strong my friends and have a great day -
Martie, I'm doing TC. As far as neuropathy, I'm not positive I've had it, but maybe? I had some numbness in the fingertips with first infusion, and with second both my right hand and foot just feel off, swollen, tingling perhaps. Both times I find I have been powdering the palm of my right hand as it seems to get irritated using my mouse. is that weird? But it does seem to pass also (so far). I might be a little slower transcribing overall also, just with everything. As for which site, I think I will be posting on this one for the time being.
After you finish AC, how long will you be on Taxol?
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JellyK - also check out Surburban Turban - they have an adorable cocktail hat on their home page that I'd totally rock at a wedding even though I do own wigs I like! Even though they are in the UK, I got my hats from them in less than a week. I like that their hats don't scream "chemo."
http://www.suburbanturban.co.uk/
Batcatlady - where is your infusion center? I go to Stanford. Didn't know you could request a private room the first day, so I sat out in the middle and kinda found it depressing. Hubby and I were cracking jokes with the nurse, and we got annoyed looks from the other patients. Second infusion I got a private room and felt more relaxed. I love your Etsy hat!
Breezy - I have a 2.5 year old and am currently 8 months pregnant with my second. I've been fortunate not to have any SEs, so everyone's experience can be different. I had help all lined up only to find out I was fine. The hardest part of dealing with a toddler is that they don't fully understand the whole "Mommy is sick" aspect. Today I forgot to put on my cap when I got my son out of his crib today. All of sudden he started flipping out and cried, "Mommy! Hat! Hat!" I felt so bad, it was his first time seeing me bald. I immediately threw on a hat, and then he said, "No Mommy, hair! Hair!" So I put on a wig, but by then he was hysterical. Luckily he calmed down shortly after, but I know at this age where they have inflexible minds and can't understand concepts it's hard to reason with them. -
Welcome to everyone new here. I am sorry there are so many here, but grateful to be surrounded by such wonderful women who pick each other up when we're down, and share such good advice. I feel very ready to go to my first chemo treatment today, and I just wanted to say how grateful I am to all of you who have shares side effects, tips, etc. It's easier to go in knowling a little more what to expect and to be able to preplan with things like ice to help ward off some things. It seems the docs here don't share that with you; you're on your own to figure it out.
My chemo days all fall on what would be my shift days for work if I was not on light duty. They asked me to stop in today so we can take a group pictures of us all bald (and not under the influence of alcohol). I needed to stop by anyway and fill my cooler with ice, so it'll be fun to have that last blast of fun and support before I head in to the chemo bar. Hoping for a minimal side effect weekend to you all.
Oh...and when I workout, I like to wear skullcaps (pretied bandanas) on my head. I ordered them from bandanaworld.com. I also ordered ones with flames on them for all of the guys that shaved their heads with me. I ordered on a Saturday and they were delivered on Monday...2 days later. Awesome customer service. I just ordered more!
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Hi vickijo. I start next Friday and I'm nervous too. Funny though, I'm also curious to see how I will feel. Reading everyones posts really help.
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KBeee-Thinking of you today as you head to your first chemo. Remember you get to check one off your list after today! That is a great feeling to get one behind you! I love that your co-workers have been so supportive of you!
VickiJo-Welcome and good luck with your port procedure today. It really is a quick process and you will be in and out in no time. You will probably be sore for a week or too but after that I forget mine is even there.
Cougarlicious-It is amazing all you are going through while being pregnant and with a young child. My hat is off to you! You are definitely an inspiration!
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38tooyoung-- thanks for the info on the chewables!
KBeee and VickieJo-- prayers and hugs today!
Cougar-- your pic is so cute. Myou look a little mischievous though? I am so glad that you are mostly SE free. You have enough going on already!
BabyRuth--yeah! Another one to mark of that kick it to the curb list! Let me know when you are free for lunch!
Diane49-- good luck with MRI results today. Hoping it's just a bad back from all that dancing!
Everybody else-- happy Friday. I hope you all are in a good place headed into the weekend -
I am so very very angry today. Maybe it is the denial of the whole situation wearing off and me finally going through the motions of the greiving process or the fact that I do have something to be angry about and something else to worry about. Come to find out that Taxotere DOES carry the possibility of permanent hair loss. A MINIMUM of 1 in 16 people. Not all of those never regain a single hair on their body but a great many end up with male pattern baldness type hair. I have heard nothing but "you WILL get your hair back". This is a known side effect and so why aren't we being told this? From what I understand Taxol is a very comparable alternative and even carries a higher success rate in some studies. Why wouldn't they give us a choice?
Maybe I am just irritated because I've decided to shave my head completely down tomorrow. It has just become a mess with hair falling out everywhere all the time. I'm going to have a few beers (I don't care if I am not supposed to) and just shave it off.
Maybe I am just depressed because no one seems to care. My family and friends are crap and so I am having to go through this all on my own. The only person who has helped me with anything at all is my babysitter. I even set up a mealtrain account and paid the $10 to do the additional tasks like taking my kids to school and taking me to chemo, and no one has volunteered for anything. It's funny how many people say "If you need anything at all let me know." and then when you say "here is what I need" you hear nothing but crickets in response. I mean, I already had my hands full before all this. I have an 8, 4 and 3 year old and my oldest is special needs. I thank God everyday that that I have in-home nursing for him because I don't know what I would do without it. The chemo has made me weak to the point that I can barely lift him now. My nurses help me out once in awhile too which is nice. One does my dishes when I am at class and if it wasn't for her some weeks they wouldn't get done at all. I hate that my family and friends and the way they are but I guess I know where I stand with them. Apparently I am going to have to seek out and depend on the kindness of strangers if I am going to get any help at all. That is very scary with little ones though. I have always been so overprotective of my babies.
Sorry everyone, I have just been sitting here crying and can't be my usual chipper self. I just needed to vent
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mamastewart - {{{{{{{{{hugs}}}}}}}}} I am so sorry for the way you are feeling. Where do you live? I know people all over the place and I would love to find someone to help you! I can't imagine having to do all of this alone, and taking care of three kids to boot! As for the hair loss thing.... doctors are hit or miss on what they focus on. They won't tell you about that. They don't tell you that chemo brings a 6% risk of causing Leukemia. Most of what I know and have learned on this cancer journey is stuff I have researched and learned by talking to other people.
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MamaStewart,
First off (((((big hugs))))) we all have days like this. It took me weeks to get over the docs blowing me off last year. Still not completely past it.
It is frustrating that you have to find out all of these "little" things on your own. I did a crap ton of research to the point I am surprised my docs didn't come pull the plug on my comp. mi told them all to out my first name down as PITA (pain in their a$$).
I knew taxotere had something like up to 7% getting perm hair loss which is one reason I cold capped. If it helps,for reference though I still have hair everywhere. Even places I don't want it. My arms and face are still fuzzy. I shaved my legs although not as often. And I am 5 1/2 weeks post TC chemo and still have eyebrows and lashes, and chin whiskers with a fuzzy upper lip too. I also have hair starting to grow back where it had fallen out. I hope that gives you some encouragement?
I don't know why they pair certain drugs with others and they don't give you a choice. I have seenmthingsmlike ACT done with taxotere instead of Taxol, so they do mix them around sometimes. I do know that taxotere is a water soluble taxane, and Taxol I believe has a higher risk of permanent neuropathy. But yes they are both from the same "family".
Speaking of, I am sorry yours is not stepping up for you. Where are you? Can I bring or send dinner? I can have pizza delivered to go with your beers!
Sorry you are so frustrated. People don't realize how much effort being your chipped self and having a good attitude can cost us some days.
All of us here care and understand. Vent anytime, but know you are not alone in this even if we are only there in spirit.
Lynne -
mamastewart, if we all looked closely at the side effects of chemotherapy or any drug, we'd all be afraid to use anything. there are always rare risks. so it's best to look on the postive side rather than the negative side. getting rid of your cancer, seeing your children grow up and getting back to a normal life greatly out weighs the chance of you losing your hair permanently. i know this is all hard. i'm not needing chemotherapy as much as some women are. it was recommended but i was also told that i may do fine without. it was hard to decide what to do. i really didn't want to make my body sick when i was finally feeling normal after my surgery, but since my chances of the cancer not coming back are greater with the chemo, i decided to go through it. the chances of your hair growing back are excellent - so be encouraged!!!
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So true lighthouse I researched my butt off. And while my onc told me a lot of these things he was not super specific. Like the heart damage that could happen. He never said the words congestive heart failure. My first visit he said I could do easy chemo(TC) or hard chemo (ACT). I said its chemo WTH is the difference!
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MamaStewart,
My heart goes out to you. I wish I was closer because I would be knocking on your door right now! It is a cruel thing that when we are in times of need it is when we find out who will really be there for us and I am right there with you angry that your friends and family are not there. I will say that it is very nice of your nurses to help out. I am sure they see how much you need it. You have every right to be angry and while I would try not to dwell on it - it is a VALID emotion and you there are so many aspects of this whole thing to be angry about. I have no real advice for you except maybe there is a BC support group around that you could join? I have joined one with the Young Survivors Coalition. Women in these groups - many out of active treatment understand the strain and have been really helpful and supportive to me so far. They have offered (and I believe with genuine follow thru) to help during chemo. No one understands as completely as one who has done it. I wish I had more advice.
As for the permanent effects of Taxotere - I have heard the same. I think the number I was quoted was 6% will experience some permanent hair loss. I asked my onc (and all the nurses who I think are sometimes better sources of real info) and all said they had never seen someone permanently lose all their hair. One nurse said the permanent hair loss issue was with cancer patients that were on Taxotere for much longer period of time. I guess there are also pre-disposed conditions that may be aggravated by the Taxotere. I am not sure why they do not substitute Taxol but in all my research it seems that taxol (pacitaxol) is not used in combination but rather on its own like with AC/T. I have no idea why.... They did tell me that if I had a reaction to taxotere that they had other drugs to substitute. Maybe someone else here has the answer.
My heart goes out to you and know that I'm thinking of you.
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MamaStewart,
Couple other things I have heard is a group called "Breast Friends". If there is a group of them in your area I think they help others with things they need.
Also Www.cleaningforareason.org offers cleaning service for people going through chemo. I think you can get 4 cleanings for free so you might want to check it out. We use paper plates and bowls, plastic silverware and cups for a lot of meals and snacks at our house. It's not glamorous but can't keep up with the kids. This way they just throw it in the trash and not as many dishes!
Your chemo center might have info on groups for rides too or your county?
If you PM me where you live I will try to do some research and see if I can round you up some help. Also talk to the school counselor and principal. The teachers at my school help with the kids sometimes and have even brought meals. They could maybe stay free after school if they have that kind of a program. I used to work with some of the clubs and programs after school like karate, chess, etc... When we had families going through tough times some of them offered scholarships to the kids and it was great for the kids because it was something fun. Cancer doesn't leave a lot of spare change for stuff like that.
There are plenty of resources out there, we just have to match you up with them.
Keep your chin up. You got this, even if it doesn't seem like it today -
One other thing... Have you visited your local American Cancer Society? I know they offer a bunch of stuff like free wigs and make up, but I'm sure they could also help u tap into local resources in your area for help with rides, meals, cleaning, etc. Definitely check it out!
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Hello everyone! Seems this forum has really grown since I last posted an update. I'm at Day 15 of first round and I'm doing well. I did have achiness and an elevated temp of 100.8 on Day 12 but no other signs of illness. MO prescribed Levofloxacin 500mg daily for 7 days. I've not seen anyone else precribed that so I was wondering if this is a new protocol. Since starting on it I haven't had any more fever and I've been feeling more "normal". The zantac I take at night keeps the heartburn and empty pit/gnawing discomfort away which then helps me to sleep so much better. I still have strong food preferences, but I've been able to drink lots of water and tea without problems. I never had mouth sores and I didn't chew ice during chemo. I did rinse my mouth often with a baking soda water solution for the first week after chemo so perhaps that helped. Still no signs of hair loss. I felt more fatigued yesterday, but fine today. I'm hoping for no more problems for the next week so I'll be stronger to deal with Treatment #2 which is scheduled for Sept 27th.
Hoping and praying for the best for you all!
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You all are so very very wonderful. I don't know if it is the potential hair loss thing or just everything all together. It think it is hitting home that I also cannot have any more children now. I really wanted to find Mr. Right and have at least one more; I'm only 33. But now I am going to be on Tamoxifen until I am 39 and I don't want to have kids that late. Plus I wouldn't be able to breastfeed which I think would make me horribly depressed. You just lose so much with cancer. And I have lost my family too now that I see where I stand with them. Ususally I try to focus on the positives and had even decided that if I could go back and not have cancer I wouldn't. Having cancer has changed me in so many ways for the good in seeing what things are important and all that, but today I just can't see any positive.
I have no issues with sharing where I am. I am in in Wichita KS. I am super open about anything in my life; something that my family doesn't like I guess. I don't hide anything about myself (other peoples business is never told to anyone though). Everyone at my kids' schools know about it. One teacher offered to send a meal sometime and I did send her the link to the mealtrain thing. I guess I just wanted to give my family and friends a chance to help out, but it is apparent that they won't.
I don't really need transportation to my chemo because I shedule it when my babysitters boyfriend has off work and he can watch the kids so she can run me. That way she can also take/pick up my kids from school. I just don't think that she should HAVE to do it. I mean, before this we really weren't even friends. She just watched my kids and we never hung out or anything. I dont' know that anyone who does the transporting would do it because I have to first take my kids to the sitter's house which is about a 15 minute drive from my house, and then all the way back to just a short distance from my house lol. That's how I spent $60 in one week on gas just going to doctor's appointments. There are some people who were strangers who have offered to help out. I guess I will be calling them. It just is really scary when you have small children involved. I guess you have to do what you have to do though and just have faith in humanity. I have a lot of family from out of state that say they would help (and I believe them) and if all this hadn't happened so fast I probably would have tried to move back there because I kind of figured this was the way things would pan out.
I did go buy some paper plates/bowls and silverware. I really can't afford it but I guess it would be better than getting cockroaches. I think this is going to be a permanent staple in our house until this is over. I did go to the local cancer support center but the breast cancer group meets on Tuesdays and I have class those nights. I can't afford to drop any more classes either.
Thank you all for everything. I will be back up to my chipper self and figure all this out. I feel better already, I just needed to vent and spend the morning crying I guess. No one else really understands though.
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MamaStewart, Well I absolutely understand about the underlying part of this that is upsetting you. I too want more children (just turned 34 last month with a 21 month old) and this aspect of the cancer has absolutely crushed me more than others. I will say that my onc is very supportive of me doing the Tamoxifan for 2 yrs and then trying to get pregnant. I would finish out the five (or ten) years after delivery as I understand. 2 years is an easier pill to swallow than 5 as I would be 39 as well. When I was just diagnosed all I could think of were future children and it was crushing. But I am trying to take this one step at a time ... now it is get through chemo first. Not easy but it is helping me. I am working hard on being grateful for what I do have ....and not listening to a lot of insensitive (but probably well intentioned) comments.
And I am in school too - everyone thinks I am nuts for not taking medical leave but I think I need something to do that has nothing to do with cancer and where no one knows/or cares if I have it. Maybe wishful thinking - I start next week.
But I would check out the Young Survivors Coalition - if nothing else they have a lot of info for our age group (fertility, dating) and you might find a local chapter that can work around your schedule. We just meet for dinner once a month and I take walks with some of the girls now that I know them.
Venting and crying are good releases especially with all you have going on. We love your chipper self but rest assured that you are putting into words feelings I have every day and it helps me to know that I am not alone in these thoughts.
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MamaStewart,
People seem to cross our paths for a reason. Somemofmthe people closest to me have not been around and other people I barely knew have turned out to be great friend and my best support. This is all so fresh for you. And it is super tough at first. It will get better as you slowly begin to wrap your head around different things.
We reuse the plastic silverware and run it through the dish washer. I buy the stuff in bulk at SAMs and justify it to myself that I am saving time, soap and water! Lol
Mr. Right can still come along. My grandmother was 49 years old with inoperable lymphoma in 1967. They did some rads and told her 3-6 months. A wonderful man still asked her to marry him and became a my grandpa. (I'm the oldest grandchild). He stayed by her active, cancer free side until they died a few years ago in their 90's! I channel my inner grandma a lot these days to ask her the secret to her longevity!
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I need some advice from those of you going before me. I should be among you, but I developed a surgical site infection which is delaying my start of chemo. BS thinks I'll be healed enough to get my port the first week of October, and so will start my first of 4 a/c treatments Wednesday the 2nd or the 9th. My husband's annual hiking trip with a couple college friends is scheduled for the 10th-13th.
Thanks!
I have 2 LARGE dogs and no yard, so they have to be walked 3 x day. I don't know whether to ask my husband to cancel (think its a bad idea, he's going to need a break) or get some help and have him go. Without family around, I would need to hire someone. Do you think I need someone to stay over? Will I primarily need dog help or will I need me help? What if I stock the house with easy microwave food? Given that my course of treatment has been so rough, I'd appreciate less input from those who ran 5k a day 2 days past surgery and more from the average experience... -
Mamastewart - the others before me have captured everything I want to say to you, just know you are NOT alone in this journey...we are all here for you. The suggestion of a local support group is a good one, and I read in another board post that the American Cancer Society offers up gas cards to help pay for the commuting to and from cancer appointments. Perhaps that is something you can look into?
Big hugs to you and everyone else who needs it. I know there will be decent days and there will be painful days ahead, it is all part of our new normal and we will come out stronger because of it. -
Hi Everyone...
38tooyoung: Thanks for the tip on the chewable LGlutamine. I am going to run out and get some. I've had one treatment so far and my mouth is sensitive (and taste buds are funky) so I want to steer the idea of mouth sores away.
VickiJo and Millsy: Hang in there gals. I was right where you are a week and a half ago. Terrified out of my mind. You will find the courage to walk through it...it is not easy but you will. get. through. it.
I had AC and within hours after had a tough chasing of nausea. Do what they tell you to do...listen to your body...act quickly on the anti nausea. Now that I have walked through round one....I feel a bit more confident about being proactive in round 2.
I was not told about taking Aleve and/or Claritin after taking the Neulasta shot. Did it really help? I was slowed down a bit by the shot...but it was able to get around. I was more easily fatigued but really it wasnt too bad.
The taste in my mouth is annoying me...taste buds are definitely off. Bought some Biotene and rinsing with that.
My port site is healing and its only been a week. I am just getting little stabbing nerve pain and its ANNOYING! Does this settle down?
So glad I have found this site. Been getting some great tips to use on Round 2 next Friday....dreading it....but a necessary evil.
Thanks for all the imput...it is so helpful.
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Krizo - Definitely try the Claritin. I take it the morning of my Neulasta and the next five days and never have any problems from the shot. It can't hurt! Also, take your nausea meds as soon as you get home from your next treatment. I'm on AC too and the nausea hits me right at 3 hrs after. For my second round I took my meds as soon as I got home and it was much better. I still felt yuck, but it wasn't as bad.
Pat - I would think if you get someone lined up to help with the dogs and maybe bring you a meal or two you would be fine with your hubby gone. Everyone is different though and you really don't know how you will react. I have chemo on Thursdays, feel sick that first night and the next day (queasy, not throwing up) and I sleep all day Friday. By Saturday I am Ok and by Sunday I'm almost "normal". Tired and no energy, but not where I need anyone to take care of me, you know?
Josgirl and mamastewart - my heart goes out to those of you who are so young and dealing with the issues of future fertility on top of everything else. I am relatively young too (40) but I have two kids and we have known since our 2nd was born that we wouldn't have anymore. So the issue of fertility and breastfeeding isn't really an issue for me. Since I am BRCA+ I will have my ovaries out too and I'm actually saying good riddance! LOL. I have two beautiful kids, but other than that, those female organs have caused me nothing but grief my entire life!! Ha! -
I am day 12 after first TCH chemo treatment and still feeling extremely exhausted and that ugly sick feeling. I dont know what to do anymore to help me feel better. docs and nurses keep saying that they dont know why i thsi has hit me so hard and why i havent "turned the corner" as they say most turn the corner on day 6. Which unfortunately doent make me feel any better just more concerned and frustrated. I have had to battle the diarhea since day one and today is the first day that I havenet been in and out of the bathroom. I have tried so many meds to help but doesnt seem to make any difference what I take nothing takes away the nausea completely. And nothing takes away the ugly sick feeling. I have an appt with mo on monday to discuss my treatment situation and I really hope to get some reassurance or answers. Hopefully I am not asking too much or expecting too much .....setting myself up for even more frustration, stress and concern.
I am trying to stay positive but I am losing strength......anyone have any suggestions or advice that has helped them feel better....anything is appreciated!
Thank you for letting me vent.......Thank you for listening!
I wish everyone the best and I will keep you in my thoughts and prayers!
Traci
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