September 2013 Chemo Group

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  • gavinsgrandma
    gavinsgrandma Member Posts: 407
    edited September 2013

    Good morning ladies, I too am from the August group, quite awhile ago I put a big post here introducing myself as I wanted to follow this group too but I thought I was posting here and could not find it anywhere. so some where out there in some thread I said hi to everyone, sometimes I am such a dork😄 Anywho I am headed out of town today for my 3rd A/C and cytoxin round so I will try to get caught up on all the posts over the next few days. I hope everyone is managing SE'S well this week and for those of us finishing out the week with treatment I say yea, one more down and some day this will all be behind us. Hugs to all.



    Shary🍁



  • BabyRuth
    BabyRuth Member Posts: 264
    edited September 2013

    Did you try Miralax?  It worked great for me.  I can not stomach prunes at all.

  • wing48
    wing48 Member Posts: 42
    edited September 2013

    Miralax is now on my shopping list. I'll try ANYTHING!

  • batcatlady19
    batcatlady19 Member Posts: 138
    edited September 2013

    VintageGal - migraines, yep I've had them all my life. I take a bunch of preventative meds (topomax & antidepressants) that reduce the frequency & severity A LOT. My onc said they're ok to take on chemo. Since my 1st infusion, I've been vaguely headachey but haven't had a full migraine - I did take several Imitrex bec. it felt like a migraine might be coming on (this was also OKed by my onc) & that prevented it. Basically, I'm doing what I always do - stop the bad headache before it starts. The bone/joint pain from the Neulasta & Taxotere has been a million times worse for me than my worst migraine tho -my onc promised me some serious painkillers for the next round (starts tomorrow).

    Lisa - for the hat, you need maybe a half yard of fabric? Not much, I used a scrap of washed silk :) anything that feels nice!
  • gildedcage
    gildedcage Member Posts: 139
    edited September 2013

    For those suffering constipation (I had the *other* problem for a few days and that sucked too), may I suggest Smooth Move tea? I was worried about constipation and the day after my infusion I made a cup of it that I steeped for about 10 minutes. It was serious business and it did the trick. I've decided that I'm only going to do a brief steeping this next time around, just to keep everything moving along. My entire goal the first two-four days after infusion is to do everything I can to get those toxins out of my body. 

    I should mention that a friend recommended that I try oil pulling when I'm doing my after chemo detox. It's an Ayurvedyic practice that involves swishing coconut oil around in the mouth for about 10-15 min and then spitting it out. It's supposed to pull out toxins living in the mouth and lead to a whole host of health benefits, particularly around oral health. Since it's only cococunt oil and it's not being directly ingested, I think it's probably safe to try. I'll give it a shot and report back. Here's an article on it: http://authoritynutrition.com/oil-pulling-coconut-oil/

  • josgirl
    josgirl Member Posts: 231
    edited September 2013

    Gildedcage - you took the words out of my mouth.  Smooth Move tea with Senna is my answer.  I had unbelievable horrible constipation with my c-section and popped stool softenors like candy with no relief.  Found the tea before my BC surgery and it has proved itself then and for my first TC infusion.  Works just like it says - take the night before and within 6-12 hours well enough said. 

    I am interested because I did not get any food restrictions from my onc and have been primarily eating fresh fruit and veggies since right after I stopped fasting post chemo.  Hmm

    I have a question too. I got the Neulasta shot last Friday and haven't had any noticiable side effects until last night.  During the night I woke up constantly from lower back/groin/thigh bone pain.  It is 5 days post shot! I am also on Lupron and kind of got my period yesterday too.  I just don't know what this feeling is related to and therefore don't know if there is a medication to take.  Anyone experienced the delayed Neulasta se? Or think it is related to one of the other things?  Thanks.

    Welcome to everyone! I just have to say that while I was terrified for my first infusion I did not comprehend the amount of strength it would require to return for more.  I am inspiried by all of you and all the women who came before us who keep putting one foot in front of the other and getting the job done.   

  • gildedcage
    gildedcage Member Posts: 139
    edited September 2013

    josgirl - My most signifcant discomfort didn't come until the last of my Neupogen shots, which was day 5 of the shorts. Hopefully the pain will subside soon enough. My doctor told me that 5 days of discomfort was the norm. Hang in there. Also, I'm taking the Lupron shot and had a weird kind of spotting and light bleed through the first month. Not a full period but like my period was trying to come through. I guess it's normal because I asked about it. I just had the second Lupron shot a few days ago and discussed with the nurse some of the accompanying side effects: crazy nightsweats, some hot flashes and terribly painful sex. I don't know if you have had those but she made a few recommendations to me: getting a cooling pillow to sleep on at night, drinking cold coffee to help reduce nightsweats, eating a bit more soy (I know this is controversial in BC tx so I don't know what to make of that) and also to get vaginal mosturizing pellets going. She told me this would greatly help with the uncomfortable intimacy issue. It's been tough being pushed into a chemical menopause but I guess there are some ways to reduce it's discomforts somewhat. Keep us up to date on how things go for you. 

  • batcatlady19
    batcatlady19 Member Posts: 138
    edited September 2013

    Josgirl - I got bone/joint pain starting on day 4 after chemo (day 3 after Neulasta shot) & it continued thru till day 7. It was awful! While everyone blames the Neulasta, it *is* supposed to be one of the side effects of Taxotere also, & some of the ladies on the TC thread have had bad problems w/this. So maybe it's a double whammy.



    My 2nd round is tomorrow, & I'm going to try everything possible to alleviate that SE (which was really my only big problem). Taking Claritin in advance & during, & my onc is prescribing painkillers, I have multiple heating pads ready, you name it!

  • 38tooyoung
    38tooyoung Member Posts: 27
    edited September 2013

    I am on day 20 since 2 treatments of AC and only had thinning of my hair. Any "normal"person would be bald by now, but not me! I must have enormous amounts of hair because eventhough it fell out in clumps in the shower I still can wear it in a low ponytail tucked under in a bun and no visable bald spots. Here are my tricks because I wanted ti keep my hair as long as I could! Wash every 3 days or go longer in cool water from start of treatment. Dont towel dry, use lots of conditioner and just lightly comb hair. Sleep with a silk/satin pillowcase it prevents friction while sleeping. Dont use any heat on your hair, aka hairdryer etc.  if you have long enough hair pull back in low ponytail, helps hair to not shed all day long.  I am sure mine is a ticking time bomb but I am so glad I didn't go and cut my time short and shave my head (Can not picture myself with a shaved head let alone bald! All the ONC nurses were amazed at how much hair I still had a my 2nd infusion. Not sure aabout anyone else but does the CHEMO just make your stomach turn? For some reason I can not say or hear that word!~ Must be psychological!!

  • wing48
    wing48 Member Posts: 42
    edited September 2013

    I've been saying that I haven't had SEs to the Neulasta but something just occurred to me. I take 5 -10 mg of Valium for for all my back stiffness - I have to sleep in a recliner since my surgery in July - and I am wondering maybe that's why I'm not having those SEs. I don't take the valium every day, just went the back pain gets to me. Hmm. I wonder.

    Anyone else taking Valium for something and finding they aren't having SEs from Neulasta?

    38 - I can time my nausea - 3 hours after I'm done my A/C I am sick as a dog. And I stay that way for about 12 hours, sleep for the next 12 hours after that and then I just have insatiable hunger. Could be worse, right?

  • 38tooyoung
    38tooyoung Member Posts: 27
    edited September 2013

    Claritin i swear has helped me with the Neulesta SE. I take 1 day before shot and 4 days after. I have been getting vague neck pain 2 days after the shot but only lasts 1 day.  I also found a GNC product that I take and it prevents mouthsores LGlutamine. I chew one day before infusion and and everyday  for 5 days after. Have not had sore mouth yet. I am hoping to cont that way.  My nausea starts the day after infusion but just the thought of the word CHEMO can set me off! So far, 2 treatments later and the metallic taste has been the worst for me. Anyone have any suggestions for that issue? 

  • wing48
    wing48 Member Posts: 42
    edited September 2013

    I stopped using metal utencils to eat immediately after treatment to minimize the metal taste. I also use cinnamon tic-tacs to help if it just gets to be too much.

  • AlishaCatherine
    AlishaCatherine Member Posts: 56
    edited September 2013

    Hey guys! My mom starts chemo on the 25th and she is a little scared. I waned to join this group so I could give her suggestions or tips to avoid bad SE. 

    Her port was inserted on Friday and it is bothering her. They think it hit a nerve. Anyone experience this? 

    She is doing DD A/C then DD Taxol. I hope once this is over she never needs to do it again. 

    Alisha

  • JellyK
    JellyK Member Posts: 150
    edited September 2013

    Holy cow this thread got busy, lol!  Glad to see some friendly faces from the August group :-)

    If I think of the word 'chemo', if I picture or describe the infusion room where I get chemo, if I see ANYTHING cherry red...I get immediately nauseous.  No more red popsicles for me :-(  I get my infustions on Tuesdays, so now looking at a calendar can do it too, uch.

    Thank you so much for opening the door on the constipation thing - I've worried about being TMI but it's awful.  I have a bleeding hemorrhoid from birthing my 2 children, and managing that and the constipation is beyond frustrating.  I can't do laxatives because anything that gives a "push" aggravates the hemorrhoid, but my double-the-recommended-dose of stool softeners aren't doing anything either.  I'm going to scan the drug store aisle again and see if there's anything else, maybe there's a tea that focuses on "mush" instead of "push" lol?

    38tooyoung I haven't tried this yet but I've heard using plastic plates and utensils are a big help with the metallic taste, I've also heard people talk about plastic cups instead of glass cups, but one person actually had to have glass not plastic or ceramic.  I bet if you try a bunch of options there'll be something that helps.

    Onward...still fighting this stoopid cold and begging the universe to let me be well enough for my sister's wedding on Saturday.  Thankfully the Neupogen has kicked in and my energy is back.  Oh someone was asking about what builds back the red blood cells?  As far as I know that's Neupogen - it's a growth factor that stimulates your bone marrow.  I'm not a pharmacist though, I might have an incorrect interpretation of how it all works...

  • JellyK
    JellyK Member Posts: 150
    edited September 2013

    Welcome Alisha!  Feel free to vent on here too - it's no picnic being a caregiver.  I had pain in my port for like...uch actually if I'm going to be honest it still hurts.  And it always looks bruised.  I'm pretty active though carrying my daughter around and bumping into things.  See if she can get some lidocaine creme - her onc should be willing to prescribe it to use on days it will be accessed.  I used it (as soon as the incision was healed) several times a day when it was really hurting - I spread it all over the area that was sore.  After I think 2-3 weeks maybe I noticed it less and could sleep on that side without waking myself up.

  • wing48
    wing48 Member Posts: 42
    edited September 2013

    Energy - I think that was me!!  I don't believe I get Neupogen but I'll be sure to ask at my next appointment on Friday. Is that a once a treatement shot or one that has to be administered a few times. At this point, I don't care. I really hate being this tired!

    Thanks JellyK and all you welcoming September Sisters.

  • krizo1
    krizo1 Member Posts: 10
    edited September 2013

    Hi there...I am new to the club.  Just last friday had my first Chemo treatment so I guess that puts me in the Sept 2013 group. Starting me with Chemo first; surgery 5-6 months down the road.  I am still in shock and trying to digest it all.  Been totally blindsided but I have the fight in me now.  Digging deep for the courage as I have to do this. Its nice to see a site like this.

  • lighthouselady
    lighthouselady Member Posts: 752
    edited September 2013

    wing - I am exactly like you.  Nausea kicks in 3 hours after AC.  I'm queasy for the first day, sleep all the next day and by day 3 I'm eating normal!  Like you said, could be worse!

    38tooyoung - I think everyone has to find what works for them.  I took a bunch of suggestions for drinks/mints/candy etc for the yuck mouth, and what works best for me is cinnamon.  (Someone else mentioned this, right?)  I chew cinnamon sugar free gum and cinnamon red hots and it gets rid of the taste for a while.  I also brush my teeth and use Biotene mouth rinse after everything I eat.  I haven't had a metallic taste at all (maybe that's only with certain chemo drugs?) but I usually have the yucky taste.

    Alisha - I'm sorry your mom has to join this group, but kudos to you for caring for her and helping her be prepared!  I second what Jelly said - ask for a prescription for the Lidacaine cream.  I put it over my skin on my port an hour before they will access it and I don't feel a thing.  As for the port pain... my port side was sore for about two weeks.  Much longer than I anticipated.  I couldn't even sleep on that side.  I had my port put in over a month ago and I still have a faint bruise!  My surgeon told me if I was fat I wouldn't feel it so much.  Ha!

    Saw my MO today.  Got a good report.  Blood counts were borderline low but nothing to do about it.  Go back for labs next Wednesday and hopefully AC #3 next Thursday.  The receptionist said "You still have your hair!"  Smile

    Welcome krizo!  You're on your way to kicking cancer's ass!!!

  • Cougarlicious
    Cougarlicious Member Posts: 114
    edited September 2013

    Wing - try Miralax for sure!! I was taking Colace and when I told my OB she told me to go straight to the store and get me some Miralax. She was right! I had really bad hemorrhoids and what shrunk those was a spoonful of blackstrap molasses (I'm not crazy, you can google it) a day. After the roids shrunk, the Miralax has now made it that I don't dread every potty break.



    My MO did not give me any food restrictions either, so I haven't altered my diet. Unfortunately I gravitate towards not-so-healthy stuff so I need to be better at my choices. I do eat fresh fruit and veggies, and will even have an occasional Jamba Juice out...so far so good. I think I was so worried that I'd lose my appetite or get mouth sores or metallic tastes that I wanted to enjoy food for as long as I could...I guess now that it looks like I might be okay I should start watching it before I get myself in more trouble. :/



    Is there anyone doing all their treatments without a port? My AC has been via IV, and has been easier than expected (probably due to all the water I drink on chemo day) and was wondering if I will need to switch to a port or PICC when I go to weekly Taxol.

  • batcatlady19
    batcatlady19 Member Posts: 138
    edited September 2013

    Cougarlicous - no port here. Didn't seem necy. with just 4 treatments 3 weeks apart. Ditto on the water. I pounded water the week before #1 & the RN complimented me on my veins, so I'm doing this again. I have a fear of needles, but #1 went smoothly so I hope 2 will be ok too.



    Oh & re: constipation or diarrhea (I have the later, ugh). The tip from that chemo prep list about a squirt bottle is a lifesaver! Use is as soon as you sense problems - squirt water instead of cleaning w/TP, only use TP to lightly blot the backside dry, & you can prevent hemmoroids or at least make it heal faster. It's like a bidet & really helps where ya need it, LOL.

  • VintageGal1111
    VintageGal1111 Member Posts: 705
    edited September 2013

    Thanks for your reply batcatlady. Luckily some of the Triptans have worked for me. Started with Imetric injections early 90s when they got approved & found that Maxalt works best. Going gluten free made the biggest difference in my migraine frequency & severity.

  • VintageGal1111
    VintageGal1111 Member Posts: 705
    edited September 2013

    Hope she does well! My start date will probably be next week too.

    I had a port put in while I was having surgery. Today is the first day (since Aug 29th) that it hasn't really bothered me. It was sore to the touch, hurt when I moved that arm & sometimes seemed to pull or tug if I bent or moved my arm/shoulder a certain way & it would be painful! Guess it is finally settling in. Some one told me because I am thin, no extra fat at all there it would cause more discomfort? Tell her to give it time.

    All the best!

  • Miss_Mama_Bear
    Miss_Mama_Bear Member Posts: 252
    edited September 2013

    Hey all. I am guessing my red blood count is in the gutter today and yesterday. I nearly fell asleep at a stoplight earlier. Thank you KBee and Ann for your kind words. I know that it is what is on the inside that counts, I was just being sarcastic. I think my irritibility was pointing to this crash. Both my littles are still sick despite antibiotics and I am hoping for low blood count and not a viscious cold coming on! Glad you are finally doing better JellyK! I tried to read everyone's posts but I am just so very tired and can't retain much of what I read anyway. 
    One thing I did read - no fruits and vegetables post chemo?!!!!! What is that about and why havent' I heard about this before?! I did not get any dietary guidelines at all. I have just been trying to eat healither. 

    Oh and speaking of food - I got the go ahead to fast! I am so happy. I just have to guzzle the water to make sure my blood pressure stays up. 

    My onc said that the lovely rash of whitehead/tiny blisters on my face is a common side effect for chemo...just not what I am on. Let's hope this is my only weird side effect. Given the history I have with that I was really terrified about chemo. I got a script to take care of it.

    My hair is now coming out at about 10-20 strands per tug. I was wondering -something else I am worried about- if pulling it out (which I can't seem to stop myself from doing) or just leaving it alone would affect the possible side effect of Taxotere of it being permenent loss? Anyone ever hear anything about this?

  • Miss_Mama_Bear
    Miss_Mama_Bear Member Posts: 252
    edited September 2013

    Vintage- we are nearly portacath buddies! I had mine put in on the 30th. I agree, in just the last week it has finally become "part of me"...well as much as having a foreign object beneath your skin can be part of you. My daughter head butting it the other day wasn't very pleasant but other than that, I barely notice it anymore. 

  • JellyK
    JellyK Member Posts: 150
    edited September 2013

    Wing48, I don't know much about neulesta, I have dose-dense AC, so they're using neupogen to rebuild my blood cells faster so I can do treatments every 2 weeks.  I get 7 injections that I take home and inject into my belly myself each night.  Awful the first go around, but now that I'm used to it it's not so bad.

    As far as food restrictions, I was told no fresh veggies (cooked only) and no fruit you can't peel, because of the presence of bacteria.  I stick to that for the 1st week, but then once my counts are up I don't worry about it.  But then, I'm the one with the horrible cold so I guess I probably wouldn't follow my advise, lol.

  • josgirl
    josgirl Member Posts: 231
    edited September 2013

    mamastewart, my hat is off to you.  With just one toddler I am exhausted!  If you have any questions/need an encouraging word about the fast PM me! 

    Gildedcage, I guess yay someone else on Lupron would be the wrong response....I just had a three month dose on Thurs but have yet to feel the side effects you describe although I am waiting.  Did yours come fast or were they more gradual?  And man did that shot hurt - and stayed tender for a few days! 

    JellyK, I feel your pain. Hang in there.  I hope you find relief.

    Alisha, Your mother is lucky to have you around.  Knowledge is power and not having to do ALL the research on your own is very comforting.  Remember that you as a caretaker need support as well - it is a different road but just as tough. My port isn't bothering me much anymore (had the surgery 9/9) but I am not thin so maybe the cushion is helping me for once!

    And welcome (sadly) Krizo (another PNWer) I understand being thrown off your feet and then finding that fight within.  This site is a wonderful resource and all the ladies on here have provided me more strength and courage  than I initially expected from an online forum.

  • PeacockGirl
    PeacockGirl Member Posts: 162
    edited September 2013

    Hello again, I've been keeping up with all of your updates and apologize for not replying directly to each and every one of you. I see there are a few of us from Oregon, that was one thing that caught my eye. I'm on day 6 after Chemo #1. My neulasta shot nurse on Saturday morning? An 11 year breast cancer survivor herself! So awesome. But then I can't say enough great things about all the nurses I've encountered at my infusion center.

    Today I feel almost 100% myself. Appetite is very good, was taking phenergan for nausea only at bedtime (because it knocks me out so much) and haven't had any nausea meds for almost 48 hours now. Luckily didn't resort to taking Zofran (want to avoid if I can). Sunday I had some jaw bone pain and the lymph nodes in my neck were very swollen and painful, Sunday night I could tell I was coming off the 'roids because I simply could not stop crying and I really hated that I was just so unable to physically control that.  Monday was my lowest day where I honestly "felt" like I had a hangover. Not exactly a tequilla bender, more like way too much red wine...but enough that it didn't make me want to do much other than lay on the couch all day. Have been doing claritin and prilosec in the morning just in case. Have made an effort each day to walk 3 miles, run/walk or do 45 minutes on my spin bike. I truly do believe it's helped me get back to feeling better this soon. Am teaching yoga and personal training clients in my studio as well. For those of you asking about boosting *red* blood cells? Try exercise. At minimum, get out there and go for a walk, even if just for 20 minutes. The fresh air will do you wonders too.

    Today is our 20th wedding anniversary ...we had always talked about taking a big trip to Australia or something for this one. I certainly had no idea I'd be going through this but I will take it if I can get a chance at 20 more years with my husband. I joked with him this morning that for our 10th he gave me a diamond anniversary ring and for our 20th he gave me really good health insurance.

    Thank you for letting me share. Live on ladies! No closed doors, only New Beginnings! ~Nichole

  • krizo1
    krizo1 Member Posts: 10
    edited September 2013

    Thank JellyK on the port info...I had mine put in on last Thursday and it stands up pretty high. It feels like its sititng on a nerve....like being stabbed by a hat pin....ouch! I was told it should settle a little bit....its annoying really.

    Made it through first chemo and the red stuff on Friday...holy cow I was chasing nausea bad that night and couple days after...Feeling more energy now though I feel weak.

  • PAnative
    PAnative Member Posts: 3
    edited September 2013

    Ladies. I too am late joining this thread i started my chemo in August. I have 2 more treatments to go. While this certainly has not been a piece of cake if it gives me the best outcome I will persevere. SE haven't been awful but not much fun. Today at 2 weeks out from last treatment I woke up with the most godawful gas pains high up in my chest and back-ouch! Called my MO & got yet another prescription-I feel like a pharmacy. Anyway all in all it hasn't been horrible. Thank you all for the great tips they come in very handy. Stay strong everyone we can do this!

  • batcatlady19
    batcatlady19 Member Posts: 138
    edited September 2013

    Mamastewart - I read the Taxotere manufacturer's info on side effects (I'm a researcher by profession & nerdiness) & it said 80% of patients experience complete hair loss while using the drug (20% don't lose all their hair). It's not permanent tho. Pulling the hair shouldn't matter - chemo has killed the growing part already. And I bet it'll get to the shedding-all-over-the-place-whether-you-like-it-or-not phase soon enough, LOL. Mine went in a few days so I had to shave the rest.



    Nicole - happy anniversary! Sucks that it chemo had to interrupt it, but you can still plan that trip. Do some online daydreaming about places to see in Australia or elsewhere. Maybe start a Pinterest board for it. Or buy some travel mags to flip thru. You could do it for 21 :) I love travel, it's my & my husband's fave. thing to do together.

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