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Hi everyone, I have read a million posts but this is my first! Smile I guess I am looking for reassurance or validation of my concerns... 

I just celebrated my cancerversary... 32 y.o. with IDC, multi-focal, stage 2 or 3 (unsure bc I did neo-adjuvant), ER+ (weakly)/PR-, HER2 +++ (FISH 16.5) on 8/28/12. I had neo-adjuvant of TCH and a year of herceptin. I had a PET/CT at diagnosis with many questionable lymph nodes (including one close to my liver) but also had mono at the same time of diagnosis (go figure) and everyone felt the nodes were all likely related to mono. I did have a supraclavicular node biopsied and it was negative. After chemo, had bil. mast. on 1/30/13 and reconstruction on 5/10/13. No rads, because nodes were clear at surgery after neo-adjuvant. Have been on tamoxifen since 2/14/13.

Here's the deal... Rib discomfort since early July. I have no history of traumatic injury but have started back running since May, after reconstruction. I have a few areas on my ribs, on both sides, that have consistently been tender to the touch for weeks to months. I notice them when I sleep and now they cause minor general discomfort during the day. I wouldn't even call it pain as much as it is tenderness. Tender to the touch, lying down and occassionally uncomfortable during the day. It is not improving, but not necessarily getting way worse. I have been so tired lately, fatigue that seems to be much worse than when I was getting herceptin. 

I relayed all of these concerns to my med onc and she quickly dismissed them, as she usually does with my concerns. She said that I had such a good response to chemo that she doesn't think it is mets. She doesn't check labs so I don't know about my calcium or alk phos levels or tumor markers. She doesn't do routine scans either. She just told me that I would have aches and pains and fatigue for up to year or so after treatment and to not worry about it and just go ahead and get my port removed. So I am schedule next week for port removal. She and her nurse kept saying "everyone feels this way..." So frustrating and condescending. 

I am trying not to worry and just move ahead with things. I keep telling myself, if it is mets, my body will make that clear in the next few months. The discomfort will either get better or worse and that will be my answer. I don't see my onc until Jan. She is letting me go over 5 months (I just finished tx) before she sees me back bc she isn't worried about me. 

Am I crazy? Should I push more? Or should I just relax and give it time? I would love some opinions from those who have been in my shoes, good or bad....

Thanks so much

Kristen

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  • bevin
    bevin Member Posts: 1,902
    edited September 2013

    Dear Kristen, I'd push a bit for a bone scan as those are relatively inexpensive and tell a huge amount of information. And in my opinion, If your doctor dismisses your concerns, I'd go find another doctor who will listen. Remember they work for you and you pay their salary.

    Good luck with eveything.

    Hugs

    Bevin

  • Lauriesh
    Lauriesh Member Posts: 692
    edited September 2013

    I agree with Bevin. I would not want a dr who is so dismissive.

    My onc would order scans whenever pain lasted more than 2 weeks.



    Laurie

  • klsayers
    klsayers Member Posts: 2
    edited September 2013

    Thank you all for your thoughts. I may get a second opinion or just switch to another onc in the group. There is one a family friend goes to and loves. 

    Random ?... do they do an xray at port removal? Probably not... just thought that might show something if it was there. 

    Thanks again,

    Kristen

  • mamabee
    mamabee Member Posts: 546
    edited September 2013

    Hi Kristen,

    I think you should cancel your appointment to get your port out and find another oncologist. I see some red flags here - how dismissive she is of your concerns, that she doesn't look at your bloodwork, and the 6-month gap between appointments (my onc sees me every 3 months during the 1st 2 years). Now, having said that, my ribs were tender for quite a while after surgery and it wasn't mets, so you're probably OK but they should still take your concerns seriously.

    About the port removal - mine was done as an outpatient appointment at my surgeon's office. Took 10 minutes with a local anesthetic. No x-ray.

    Good luck and keep us posted.

  • Marple
    Marple Member Posts: 19,143
    edited September 2013

    Kristen, if your onc isn't addressing your fears in a manner that helps you then you need to see someone else.  I wonder if your onc is really listening to you?  As for port installation and removal, an xray is done for the install to make sure it's in the correct position.  An xray isn't needed for the removal.  I hope all turns out well for you.  I agree also to keep the port until you get the rib pain sorted. 

  • Chickadee
    Chickadee Member Posts: 4,467
    edited September 2013

    I had a fractured rib in my first year of AI treatment. Have no idea when or how it happened but it was finally picked up on an X-ray. It took forever to heal.

  • mdg
    mdg Member Posts: 3,571
    edited September 2013

    I am going to be three years from this December and my MO has been seeing me every three months. We will switch to every 4 months after my next visit. He does bloodwork but no scans unless I have some pain. I would switch doctors. If your doctor ignores you, why even go?

  • kdrez
    kdrez Member Posts: 65
    edited September 2013

    You are the best advocate for your body. Listen and do what your heart feels. It is always best to get checked. I've learned that we have to advocate for ourselves. My dr. has seen me every three months for the past three years. And we will continue every three months. It is ok to see another doctor too. It will all work out! :)

  • melmcbee
    melmcbee Member Posts: 1,119
    edited September 2013

    I agree that you dont need an onc who doesnt listen. However, I would ask thr oncologist why you cant get a bone scan and blood work. Another option is to go to your gp and ask for the test.

    As a side note I have had rib pain on my cancer side but I had radiation. I would also think that if its mets it would not be on both sides unless it was in different areas on both sides. It doesnt usually mimic identically on both sides. Im not saying it isnt possible just not as common. Healing hugs

  • aaoaao
    aaoaao Member Posts: 593
    edited September 2013

    Your onc should not be so insensitive to your concerns.  If it would put you at ease some form of scan..xray, CT, etc. should be done. 

    It is possible for your rib pain to be associated with your reconstruction since the pain started around July and your reconstruction was mid May.  When I had my expanders put in I had pain on the left side under the expander and in the rib area.  I thought it just needed to heal.  However, the pain never really subsided.  It wasn't severe, continous pain but soreness whenever I touched that area.  Then, after reading about the procedure for making the sling to hold the expander, I thought maybe the doctor put the sling to close to the rib which was causing the pain.  However, it soon became obvious that I had an infection in that area. My PS had to go in and remove both the sling and the expander.  We couldn't wait for antibiotics to clear it up (for some reason they weren't helping) because I needed to start chemo.  I also was worried the entire time that my cancer had spread to the rib that hurt.  So hopefully your pain turns out to be something easily taken care of.  Your doctor should at least investigate the cause of your pain.  Pain usually is a sign of something not being right.  Also I don't know why she is pushing for you to have the port removed so quickly.  Is it causing a problem?  I don't know if it is usual but my ONC had me coming to see her every 3 months for the first 3 years after chemo ended.  Maybe she was too cautious.  After 3 years, she changed to seeing me every 6 months.  Then the cancer came back and now I see her every week for 3 weeks and 1 week off.  She does blood work with every visit and always have.  

    I don't think your ONC is helping you to work through this.  Any pain in a specific area for a long period of time needs to be checked out.  Tell her that for the cost of an xray you would get a lot of peace of mind.   Also, if it is a bone met it might not make itself know within a few months.  I had a spinal bone met for over a year and was told it was sciatica.  The pain would come and go, as I was told it would, so I assumed it was the sciatica.  Only when the pain became unbearable and I could barely walk was an xray ordered and the tumor found.  Most bone mets grow slowly so someone could have one for years before it becomes obvious.  You'll drive yourself crazy if you walk around for years worrying about whether it's a met or not.  I'd demand the xray and tell your doctor you'll pay for it if it is a financial issue.  Maybe then she'll see how important this is to you.

  • cp418
    cp418 Member Posts: 7,079
    edited September 2013

    Can you check back with your surgeons regarding this pain?  As aaoaao mentioned maybe this is related to the nerves regenerating and causing the pain in this location post-surgery.  Both my lumpectomy site and under arm where numerous nodes removed were very sensitive and sometimes painful for several years......  Getting followup mammograms were the worse pulling on the lumpectomy scar.  Felt like it was tearing internally each time and having to reheal.

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