September 2013 Chemo Group

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  • KBeee
    KBeee Member Posts: 5,109
    edited September 2013

    I saw the question about fasting prior to chemo. Mayo is doing a study of that now, because preliminary studies show decreased side effects because "normal" cells slow down during fasting and likely don't take in as much of the chemo drugs. Cancer cells do not slow down though, so the effects of the chemo are the same on them. The study will not allow women taking taxotere though, so that's something to consider. You can google "fasting during chemo" to get info. I will be getting taxotere, so it is not an option for me.

  • Deborahanne
    Deborahanne Member Posts: 181
    edited September 2013

    Received my chemo for the first time yesterday and did well except I woke up in the middle of the night  4 hours after oral zofran very nauseated. Fortunately, sitting up in bed and taking a TUMS helped until I could to take the next dose 4 hours later. I have done better today - went walking, no nausea, just feel a little different, but am able to eat but I'm not as hungry as usual. Last decadrom dose is tonight. I'm also drinking lots of water.

    Concerning fasting before chemo: I hadn't heard of that. I think I would have felt sick if I had. It was lunch time when I received my Taxtere and the hospital had a great sandwich lunch that I ate during the infusion. I never had any metallic taste - it almost makes me want to make sure I'm eating during the infusion the next time.

  • DeliriumPie
    DeliriumPie Member Posts: 1,370
    edited September 2013

    Good evening ladies. I'm sorry to see some if you are having a hard time. I hope it gets better soon. I'm way late in following the thread, but the hot tamales post made me giggle. For me it was gummy worms. The surgeon insisted that I push chemo out another week because I am not healing well and may have an infection. I felt it was looking better the last couple days and was heartbroken tonight when I took off my bandages to see that an area on the already "bad" side has come open. Chemo was something I could will myself through but this surgery nonsense part is maddening.



    Deborahanne, have you asked your MO for a Zantac rx? They gave me one from the beginning even though I never had heartburn a day in my life. But I could really tell the difference if I skipped taking it. Emend was an amazing drug for me. I eventually concluded the reason I starting the nonstop queasiness on day 3 was because that's when I finished the emend pack. My BS told me there was no reason I could not take it longer than 3 days, but I never asked the MO about it. Just a thought for those of you having bad nausea. Wishing everyone a peaceful night.

  • Sminns
    Sminns Member Posts: 5
    edited September 2013

    Hi Everyone,

    Unfortunately, I will be joining this group as well. I am scheduled to start chemo on September 12th and I am terrified.

    My husband is a plastic surgeon and I am a nurse in his office. I deal with the surgical side of things everyday...to me, the mastectomy and TE placement was a breeze. I knew exactly what to expect. The chemo is a whole different ball game.

    This forum seems exceptionally supportive and I am so happy to have found you! I hope to gain some valuable knowledge as I proceed and hopefully provide support to all you wonderful ladies as well.

    As for now, I am on the beach trying my hardest not to think about what is ahead! You can see how well that is working, LOL!



    Shanon

  • BabyRuth
    BabyRuth Member Posts: 264
    edited September 2013

    Shanon- I start chemo on the 12th also. I have been through chemo once before but not this particular one so I am not sure what to expect either. It looks like you will be doing herceptin for a year. I am hoping to add that back in to my chemo in a few months. I am waiting on my heart EF rate to improve before I can do Herceptin again.

    Enjoy your time at the beach. I spent Labor Day weekend at the beach and it was a good distraction.

    I hope everyone who has started their chemo is having a good weekend also.

  • diane49
    diane49 Member Posts: 37
    edited September 2013

    Hi ladies...one more sleep til chemo

    I have to get my picc line put in at 10 tomorrow and then first treatment at 1:30...at different hospitals of course lol...glad I googled the picc, thought it would be like getting i.v. put in, didnt occur to me that it will take up to two hours to get put in.

    Got a binder and some folders to try to keep organised...between chemo brain and fibro fog I'll be lucky if I can get myself dressed in the morning let alone keep track of my appointments lol

    Gonna buckle myself in because I think it is gonna be a bumpy ride



    Hope everyone had a great weekend and tomorrow brings a fabulous day

  • KBeee
    KBeee Member Posts: 5,109
    edited September 2013

    Diane49 and anyone else starting tomorrow, I wish you a good day, with minimal side effects.

  • JellyK
    JellyK Member Posts: 150
    edited September 2013

    Welcome Shanon, this is definitely the club no one wants to join.  I was the same way with the surgery vs chemo - I've been through several surgeries between my ex-husband and myself, so I knew how to recover from that, but chemo was very scary before I started.  I won't lie to you, the first cycle is a crap shoot - I've heard of women with no SE's and women who are layed up.  Personally I'm comforted going into my 2nd treatment next week because the SE's did eventually go away and I've had almost a week of feeling completely normal.  So I know that next week will suck, but that it will not be like that forever.

    My hair is pretty close to being ready to go - all of my body hair has stopped growing, and the hair on my head is starting to shed more than it used to.  But I have 2 skull caps a friend of mine knitted, and a really cute slouchy beanie with a brim all ready to go.  I looked on Amazon and they have inexpensive wigs I'm going to try out - I really only need one for my sister's wedding on the 21st.  At some point I also want to do the American Cancer Society's Look Good Feel Good program so I can learn how to draw on eyebrows, lol.

    Hope everyone had a wonderful weekend, much strength and support to those ladies starting next week - remember, you only need enough courage to get into the car and show up - everything else will just happen around you :-)

  • JellyK
    JellyK Member Posts: 150
    edited September 2013

    My new avatar is me at my first treatment - the nurse is doing the push of Adriamycin :-)

  • Pam358
    Pam358 Member Posts: 294
    edited September 2013

    Thank you all for posting your stories, they are helpful to those of us waiting in the wings to start our treatment. Just waiting for the green light from the BS to begin. I meet with her on 9/19 and if I'm good to go the MO said I could start as soon as the following week.



    JellyK I noticed we both have the same saying in our signature. I thought it was perfect, everyone keeps saying how strong and brave I have been but yet every now and then I just feel like all I'm doing is putting one foot in front of the other and showing up. I do know that takes courage too.



    Good Luck to everyone having a treatment this week. May your SE's be few and the effectiveness be great.



    Pam

  • Miss_Mama_Bear
    Miss_Mama_Bear Member Posts: 252
    edited September 2013

    Hello everyone! I don't remember what my last post was...chemo brain has set in already I guess. I started on Wednesday. I am doing okay. Well, I feel like complete crap, but I guess I won't complain because it could be worse. I haven't had any nausea really but have had HORRIBLE heartburn. My head hurts badly and that Neulasta really did me in even though I took my Clairatin, Ibuprofen and Lortab. It really affected my jaws and teeth and slowly spread down my body over the last few days. I had to get IV fluid on Friday when I went in for not being able to take a deep breath (they said it was just due to the Neulasta afffecting my ribcage) so DRINK YOU WATER! I really thought I was drinking more than enough. I had a birthday party for my oldest at the park Saturday despite the 104 degree heat. It has all done me in. I just want to sleep but I really need to do homework. I tired to do the dishes yesterday but the bone pain was in my knees and shins by then so it didn't last long. I guess they will still be there tomorrow and hopefully I can get to them at some point. I kind of dozed on and off on the couch all day today. I am glad my kids are so good but I feel so badly that they have to go through this. I wish they had a dad to take care of them. And me too lol. I hope everyone is doing okay. Tomorrow will be better! 

  • Miss_Mama_Bear
    Miss_Mama_Bear Member Posts: 252
    edited September 2013

    OH!!! And best news ever! I really hope this isn't my imagination, and I really don't think it could possibly be, but I am positive my tumor has shrunk. Is this even possible? If so, does that mean that I might not have to do the full 6 rounds? Wishful thinking, right? LOL 

  • Deborahanne
    Deborahanne Member Posts: 181
    edited September 2013

    It's now day 3 since chemo and it's been pretty good, not too much heartburn and if needed MO said I could use Zantac as someone here suggested. I appreciate the suggestion. I went ahead and took another zofran for tonight even though I don't have any nausea. I walked outdoors some this morning and also went to work for a few hours this afternoon. I do feel a little strange at times, my appetite has changed and my eyes were bothering me briefly when I was at work, but there are no major problems. When I look at what several of you have already gone through and are going through, my situation seems so minor. I'm thinking about you all and praying for you.

  • JellyK
    JellyK Member Posts: 150
    edited September 2013

    Deborahanne, I'm so glad to hear your SE's have been minor!  That's wonderful.  Careful of the zofran if you're having any constipation - it makes it worse.  

    Mamastewart I'm so sorry about the bone pain that must be awful.  Hang in there, your kids will get through and the dishes will get done eventually :-)  I'm very happy to hear your tumor is shrinking, that's awesome!

    Pam I love it, I love that quote so much.  It really is the little things that make us strong.  I've been through so much in the last few years, I feel like I can take almost anything.  I can't punch very well, but I can take a hit like nobody's business, lol.  I notice that our dx are nearly identical too, though your tumor was much smaller than mine, thank goodness.  Good luck with your appointment on the 19th, I'll have my fingers crossed for you.

  • millsy1
    millsy1 Member Posts: 20
    edited September 2013

    Hi everyone. Had my drs appointment today. Everything after surgery is clear and I came back her2-. Hooray! Now its off for chemo on the 19th. Good luck everyone doing chemo this week.

  • lovewins
    lovewins Member Posts: 881
    edited September 2013

    Hello ladies...I pray you are all doing and feeling well with no SE's!  I am on day 6 and feeling almost normal...get tired easily but I'll take that over feeling sick.  Having a problem with diarreha...first it was constipation....first 3 days.  Really painful...bought TUCKS no help...SIL suggested vasoline.  It is helping but I need to heal this.  I can;t believe I am posting this here...but any suggestions would be appreciated.  Thanks.

  • beachbound009
    beachbound009 Member Posts: 89
    edited September 2013

    Hi Ladies.  I’ve had one heck of a morning.  I had my port put in on the 4th and I was scheduled to start chemo at 9 this morning.  My parents came in from out of state and my husband took off work, as did I.  At about 8:10 this morning, my phone rang.  It was my oncologist’s office telling me that my insurance has not yet provided approval for my treatment so I shouldn’t come in today.  We can reschedule.  The girl said I know you wanted Monday treatment so I can schedule you for next Monday.  I about went through the roof!  I told her NO!  I had waited long enough and I want to start ASAP.  These people don’t understand how terrible it is to sit and wait for treatment to begin.  The fear of the unknown and/or the known can drive a person mad!   I’m scared of what this chemo will do to me because I remember what the first one was like and I had a HARD time.  I’m so MAD!!!  I called my patient advocate with the insurance company and of course, got her voicemail.  It’s probably better that way.  I think I would have come unglued if she would’ve answered.  Hopefully, she’s in her bosses office trying to get my treatment approved as I type.  I’m so mad…did I already say that?  Now I’m at work to try and escape from it all.  I figured I had already fixed my hair and put my makeup on so I might as well go to work.  That’s one less sick day I’ll have to use I guess.  So frustrated!!!

    I hope everyone has a better day than I’m having! 

  • batcatlady19
    batcatlady19 Member Posts: 138
    edited September 2013

    Beachbound - that sucks!!! I hate insurance companies so much. They really know how to jerk us around & when we're already low, geez, the nerve. I really feel for you.

  • batcatlady19
    batcatlady19 Member Posts: 138
    edited September 2013

    Lovewins - For diarrhea, Immodium does help, tho' it's not fast, can take a half day or day to work. But it's safe (I've seen a GI specialist for IBS & he always says Immodium is as good as anything he could prescribe). One after 1st loose stool, no more than 3 a day, accd. to the bottle. I've never taken more than 2, one is usually enough & works w/out getting constipated. Also, keep the area extra clean, get a little squirt bottle of room-temp water & squirt that over your backside after you go in the toilet. This is like a bidet (the European way works!). Pat dry, don't rub. Tucks or Prep. H can help too. Sorry you're dealing with that.

  • posnegher2
    posnegher2 Member Posts: 19
    edited September 2013

    Good morning all - I am getting my first chemo  - took taxotere without any allergic reaction....Hooray! On The Carboplatin now - which usually does not cause any allergic reaction so I guess I am over that hump. So far the hardest part is getting past the fear and anxiety and getting up the strength to go to treatment. I had cervical cancer 18 years ago and at that time I refused chemo (much to my doctors dismay) because I had watched my mother in law go through chemo and I decided if I was not to survive stage 3B cancer then so be it - but for me it was not worth watching my children go through that -  just to prolong your life a few weeks/mos. I wanted to have the best quality of life to spend the time with my family....not lying in a bed.

    This time around.....I was still against chemo... but after hearing how agressive my cancer is and the statistics...I left my mo's office agreeing to chemo. I dont know if being older or the fact that chemo has progressed so much contributed to agreeing or not....havent figured it out.

    By the way....my mo told me to avoid soy...so I was trying to find crackers that do not contain soy and I could not find any. I asked the RN giving me the chemo and she said all crackers have soybean oil and it is okay to eat the crackers....small amount of soy. Just dont eat soybeans.

    For those of you waiting for chemo to start.......I send you strength and patience! I know the waiting is the worse but maybe see it as there is a reason for everything....and all will take place as it needs to. So far my fears were so much more than the actual experience.

    I used the Emla cream to numb my port before treatment.....awesome did not feel any pain at all.......Hooray again!

    Everything so far so good! 

    Traci

        

  • posnegher2
    posnegher2 Member Posts: 19
    edited September 2013

    JellyK - Keep up the great attitude!  Way to go focusing on the positives rather than the negatives. I truly believe mind over matter or the power of positive thinking.

    drpuren - Thanks for the update on how your doing. I am anxious to see which days are bad for me as well. Glad to hear you are very good on day 5.  

    Kbee - Sorry you were having a bad day on Saturday.....maybe you should try a short visit when you are missing your co-workers. I know when I did that it really helped. 

    Gotcha13 - Totally hear you on the meds - my mo suggested keeping a meds journal - of what and when taken ....to keep it straight, can help pinpoint which meds are causing which SE's and helpful resource for docs.

    Millsy1 - ConGrats on the very good news!- clear margin! Sorry to hear you have had to have 2 surgerys already. Keeping you in my thought and prayers!

    Ekaterina - Sminss - Pam358 and all other new members- Welcome and nice to meet you!

    batcatlady1 - Thanks for the tip on mealtrain website! I am signing up for a program called Angelheart and they provide 3 meals a week for me and my husband throughout chemo. Awesome programs!

    I also heard about a website called caring bridge......it provides a place for you to provide updates to family and friends or whoever you allow to log on and stay in the loop. I think I am going to sign up because I am finding it difficult to contact everyone or even keep track of who you told what, not to mention when you just do NOT feel like talking about it over and over.  

    Beachbound - Sorry to hear about the reschedule.....I also had a rechedule and I went off like a rocket on the RN......there is so much planning and preparing for chemo and to have a schedule change is MISERABLE and throws everything off. I was already having a bad day when she called and I just lost it. After taking 30-40 deep breaths I was able to be okay with it. But you had your parents come in to town and not to mention the time you and your husband scheduled off work.....so sorry. Good luck with the insurance company! Keep strong! I will keep you in my thoughts and prayers!

    Deborahanne/mamastewart - Sorry to hear your feeling bad....hope you feel better real soon. I will keep you in my thoughts and prayers!

    DeliriumPie - So sorry to hear that it is worse.....must be so frustrating....ugh! Hope all is better VERY soon. I will keep you in my thoughts an prayers!

    Sending well wishes to all..........Traci

  • Miss_Mama_Bear
    Miss_Mama_Bear Member Posts: 252
    edited September 2013

    Posnegher2: I just read about no soy for us HER2+ as well. I did a little more research into it before finding out my status because I had been making a lot of changes in my family's diet anyway. Soy is pretty awful for you anyway from what I read. Fermented soy is great but unfermented soy is basically poison! I really hate that there are so many things in this world that we put into our bodies that are so

    85858unhealthy and we don't even know. I did find that Kashi crackers all seem to be soy-free. There is also another brand that I found: Van's that are soy-free. I bought the Multigrain kind and they are really pretty good. They are gluten free too. They are pretty salty but I think that will work well with this deadened taste bud thing I've got started. 

    I am feeling better today. Called the doc and they said this ridiculous headache I have had since Friday is likely due to the steroids they pumped into me so fast so that I could make it home to meet my son's bus. They said I might have it for 1-2 more days. At least there is relief in sight. Just upped my pain pills and it is helping some. Not helping with homework though lol. 

    Anyone else get weird side effects? Everytime I blow my nose, air comes out of my left eye. Not eve kidding. I see the onc on Wednesday. I fully intend to have a whole list to hand to him and ask him if I should be worried. 

  • lighthouselady
    lighthouselady Member Posts: 752
    edited September 2013

    mamastewart - I ended up in the ER Friday night because of a headache that wouldn't go away!  It was off & on for three days before it turned into a full-blown migraine and nothing would touch it.  Ugh.  I have my next treatment this Thursday and put a call in to the doctor for something to take in case that happens again.  I'm sure mine was a combination of things - all of the different meds (did you know headaches are a common side effect of most chemo drugs AND most anti-nausea drugs??!!?), no caffeine (coke & tea taste horrible to me now) and hormones.  

    Beachbound - that sucks about your reschedule.  Dealing with insurance is the worst!!!  I can honestly say the waiting and doing NOTHING before I started treatment was the absolute worst, so my heart aches for you to be there now.

    I'm so excited - my taste buds have returned!  LOL  For the last 2-3 days things have tasted almost normal and I got rid of the "yuck" coating in my mouth..... just in time to have another treatment Thursday!  ha!

  • lovewins
    lovewins Member Posts: 881
    edited September 2013

    i agree LHL I think I was sick from caffeine withdrawl too cuz coffee and coke taste so bad.  I guess it's a good thing but the only thing that tastes good to drink is water!  I reallt think this affected me more than i care to admit!  hope your next treatment is much smoother. 

  • Pam358
    Pam358 Member Posts: 294
    edited September 2013

    Posnegher2 - I started a Caring Bridge (caringbridge.org) site soon after my diagnosis and it's been wonderful.  I can add journal entries  to keep people updated and  they can also add messages. There are different security levels - lowest where anyone can type in your name and get to your site and the hightest setting where people can only visit if you have entered their email. You can add photos as well.

    MamaStewart - I have had air come out my tear duct when I blew my nose but it was pre-cancer.  Usually a time when my allergies were acting up, etc.  It is a strange sensation.

  • Sminns
    Sminns Member Posts: 5
    edited September 2013

    I'm just curious...why do some MOs recommend TC / TCH and some ACT / ACTH. I have had 2 different opinions by 2 different physicians. My first consult was at MD Anderson. Both had convincing arguments. I untimately went with MD Anderson's recommendation. Anyone else experience this?

  • KBeee
    KBeee Member Posts: 5,109
    edited September 2013

    I think ACT has been around longer and is more time tested, and is thought to be more aggressive. It brings with it some potentially worse side effects though (though that varies widely person to person). TC has been tested in a few trials and the short term studies show it to be equally effective. I don't think there are too many long term studies with results yet comparing them head to head...though a few are in progress now. It seems medical centers out west such as UCLA seem to favor TC, while others are more traditional.

  • diane49
    diane49 Member Posts: 37
    edited September 2013

    I dont want to play anymore.

    Picc line in this morning...first treatment this afternoon

    Sick

    Told me nausea was all in the head...nope

    Told me I would not be sick....wrong

    Cant even keep nausea meds down

  • JellyK
    JellyK Member Posts: 150
    edited September 2013

    Diane, I'm so sorry - nausea is NOT all in your head, your entire digestive system is being broken down, that's not a mental activity!  Ask for a suppository if you can't keep meds down, try and put a small something into your mouth every 2 hours if you can, even if it's just saltines, and try popsicles or even ice cubes to keep hydrated.  Thinking of you tonight!

  • JellyK
    JellyK Member Posts: 150
    edited September 2013

    Also, once you get to where you can keep things down a little, Ensure makes a clear version, it's not as heavy.  So more like gatorade only with all the things ensure usually provides.

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