Positive BRCA1 .... oophorectomy or not????
I got diagnosed in August of this year for BRCA1. Didn't think I would test positive as very little family history and I am very healthy . Both parents are 80 and no cancer. I am Ashkenazi Jewish on my fathers side so my OB/Gyn said " Hey do the test, you will most likely be negative but it will be something you won't have to worry about ." Well, a couple of weeks later.... Surprise you are positive! I was shocked.
Anyways I read everything I could find and saw a Genetic Counselor, Breast Specialist, Surgeon etc. they all highly recommend I have my ovaries removed ASAP. I was pretty much in agreement and then started researching the studies on the effects of oophorectomy on a women's body over the long term. There are a lot of health benefits to keeping ones ovaries. From sexual health to osteo/bones, mental health etc. A massive list!
I should add I am 53 and went through menopause at about 48. Every Doctor I saw told me that I would not experience any changes after the surgery as I have already been through menopause. But that's not true from the recent studies I have read. Help! I feel so healthy. It's hard to believe that I am at risk for anything. I don't want to have my ovaries out and then deteriorate or have many other health issues that I don't have now. But I sure as heck don't want to get Ovarian Cancer either. I am at a loss as to what to do!?!? Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
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My dad and two of his sisters tested negative for the BRCA but 6 out of 6 siblings, 2 cousins and my grandmother have had breast, ovarian, prostate, thyroid, melanoma and colon cancers. Also of Ashkenazi Jewish descent. I was diagnosed with a very rare and aggressive form of breast cancer when I was almost 43. Chemo and tamoxifen have put me in menopause.
Per my oncologist's recommendation, I am having my ovaries removed on 9/23. I absolutely am hesitant and worry about the same things you do as far as long term effects. I am not happy about it but I am doing it because if I could have had a preventive mastectomy and saved myself a year of being ill I would have. At this point my fear of more cancer overrides the other issues. Having cancer was horrible and dealing with the fear of recurrence is horrible too.
I am trying to look at it as something positive I am doing to prolong my survival, and according to my doctors and surgeon I don't have too much of a choice if I want a long term survival rate.
I am not sure what advice to give you, but I can acknowledge just how difficult a decision it must be especially if you are currently healthy. Maybe you could take a little time, to meditate on it, research, or ask your genetic counselor and Dr if you could talk to other women who have had preventive oopherectomies several years ago and ask how their quality of life is and what they have experienced. I am so sorry that you have to make this decision. {{Hugs}} -
I'm BRCA2, 40+ years old, disgnosed with DCIS last year. From my experience, the decision of whether to do the preventive surgeries is very personal and there is not a right or wrong. Take your time to do your research before making a decision. Check out FORCE site for more resources and there are a few groups on facebook for people who are BRCA+. Let me know if I can provide you with more information or if you just want to chat.
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Thank you both for your replies. So kind of you. I am scheduled to have oophorectomy on 9/26. So am researching as much as possible ASAP. I can always cancel or postpone surgery if I get too overwhelmed. This has all happened so fast!
I have not had anyone close to me with cancer so I keep thinking " Am I being naive about what I would face if I was diagnosed with BC or OC??" All my Doctors have been so adamant about me being proactive and getting surgery fast!!!!!
Great idea @planetbananas to try and talk to other women who have had ooph already and see how their QOC is afterwards. Thank so much! -
EMarie, ovarian cancer is so hard to detect until it is too late. I was very, very, lucky that the ovarian cancer I got was a low malignant potential one. Despite that, I developed large volume ascites and swelled up to nine-months pregnancy size and developed a pulmonary embolism & almost died. Not only did I have to have the hysterectomy, but they also took a big part of my omentum which made for a huge incision and a very painful recovery. However, since I was almost menopausal I had few estrogen-withdrawal type symptoms.
You really, really do not want ovarian cancer. -
Hi EMarie, your story is so amazing. Most primary care/obgyn's wouldn't recommend BRCA testing without at least one relative who had bc or oc, in addition to the Ashkenazi Jewish background. I was lucky to get it paid for with the DCIS dx and my mother's bc history (which was post-menopausal), and the Ashkenazi Jewish background (and fortunately, I'm brca negative). So, think of yourself as incredibly lucky to have this identified, and you can be proactive, in whatever way you are comfortable.
As Melissadallas said, you don't want to ever get ovarian cancer. There is a book that came out last year, written by author Susan Gubar, called "Memory of a Debulked Woman." While it is a fairly graphic memoir, it does detail what she went through. She has had oc for around 8 years now, with multiple relapses, and she's been able to fight it back, but she knows that won't last forever. Very few people have ever written about ovarian cancer (because many don't survive). So, if you want to get an idea about it, this could be a good book--only if you can tolerate the graphic nature of it. The breast cancer situation is also urgent, but breast cancer can sometimes be identified early, especially with the surveillance that you will receive. Even as I write that, I know I'll receive comments about that, as well. Many women do survive bc, but as you can see from these boards, there is a whole other side to bc. It's just that with oc, the story is not like that at all. In addition, as Melissa alluded to, the treatment, even the most "basic" treatment for oc is very, very physically challenging. So, I'm glad you have the oophorectomy scheduled. Then, you'll deal with the bc issues. To my understanding, an oophorectomy doesn't 100 percent prevent oc, but it lowers the risk to a very small number, for risk of primary peritoneal cancer. So sorry you have to face this, but glad it didn't sneak up on you from behind, when you have absolutely no control.
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Thanks @ballet12! I will def look for the book. I agree, first things first. Ovaries and then Breasts. Ovarian surgery appears to be quite easy, as surgeries go. Laparoscopic and a few days down time.
My OB is Jewish, very brilliant and proactive. I must add that I had a great grandmother on my Jewish side that had colon cancer. So I think the combo was a red flag to her. I guess it is much easier to get health insurance to pay for the BRCA tests now.
I really have to say it was one of the first times in my life that I was completely shocked at my test results! Did NOT see it coming. Thunderstruck! But also very grateful. Thank goodness for this website and message board. I was feeling so alone. This has helped tremendously.
Very sad for the suffering of the wonderful women I am reading about, meeting here. I know one day, in our lifetime or our children's, there will be a vaccine and / or gene therapy. -
Definitely hook up with "FORCE" or there is even an HBOC Facebook page. One of my OB/GYN's, Jonathan Herman, MD, has a website and, I think, a link to this Facebook page. It may be a closed group that you can join. Dr. Herman is a consultant to Myriad, but also very proactive in getting women tested for BRCA genes. You can "google" him and see where you go from there.
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EMarie - you might consider talking to your doctor about just having your Fallopian tubes removed if you really want to keep your ovaries. I don't know if there's enough data out there, but I've read that many ovarian cancers actually start in the tubes. I chose to have a prophy hyst/ooph even though I don't have any known cancer causing genetic mutations since I've already had colon and breast cancers. I was only 42 and perimenopausal, but I'm glad I did it. It's a very personal decision and I hope you're able to make peace with yours either way.
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Thank you @lekker. I will look into that. May I ask what your recovery was like and did you take HRT after your hyst/ooph?
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Seven weeks ago I had a full hysterectomy after an ovarian cancer scare. I have a BRCA2 variant "of unknown signifigance" so my decision was even harder since they couldn't definitively say whether of not my mutation was "cancer causing" or not. I have been monitored with trans vag ultrasounds every six months since my BC diagnosis. They only reason they tested me for BRCA gene mutatation was because I was "young" (43). I have no family history.
I could have elected to just have the one ovary out. Or the gyno onc also suggested maybe keep the other ovary, but remove the fallopian tube - because as the other person posted.. a lot of ovarian cancers start in the tubes.
I thought long and hard over the decision and went back and forth almost a week until the surgery. My decision to remove them both had to do a lot with the fact that my BC was highly estrogen positive, also I didn't want to worry about the ultrasounds every 6 months for the rest of my life. I also was/am worried a bit about physical consequences of having no ovaries at 46. I can't take HRT, not that I would necessarily. I take a little bit of comfort in the fact that my mom had a (emergency) hysterectomy in her early forties and she is 73 and doing just fine. She's not on any medications, she is in good physical health.
I had the da vinci laproscopic surgery and had a textbook recovery. Was back to work (desk job) in one week. I am 7 weeks out now and am back to running and feel pretty good.
Best of luck to you in your decision. The hard part about ovarian cancer is that it is such a sneaky beast. There is no definitive test for it. Even with close monitoring, it can go undetected until it hits Stage IV. My ovaries turned out to be fine. No cancer found. I still don't regret my decision though.
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I was diagnosed with breast cancer and found out I was BRCA1+ at age 44. I had my ovaries out without a second thought. Ovarian cancer is not something I wanted to face. Yes, I could have other health issues, but ovarian cancer was the most deadly. I can exercise, eat healthy, take calcium, watch my weight, etc, to help with the other possible issues. Nothing but removing my ovaries was going to help me not get ovarian cancer. BRCA + results suck and I am sorry you are dealing with this. My advice is to face the beast you know is around the corner.
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@SusansGarden.... Oh how you sound like me, going back & forth, one week prior!! I'm starting to feel like a total nutter trying to decide whether or not to have the surgery. I really don't WANT to get it but I have a 16 yr old son, husband and two aging parents that depend on me. If it was just me I might take a chance but I would never forgive myself if I got sick by not doing preemptive things that will keep me healthy. I'm sure we can all relate to this.
Meanwhile I haven't even begun to deal with the concept of a prophylactic mastectomy! Sheesh!
You sound great and very positive! I love your profile comment about the tight shoesThanks for sharing your story with me.
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I had some complications after my surgery and ended up in the hospital for three nights for IV antibiotics. The hyst/ooph was my fourth surgery in 9 months and I think my body had just had enough. I was pretty much back to normal after 2 months though and really don't feel much different. I was very active before all of this and still am so no weight gain from the instant menopause. I get hot flashes that are made worse by tamoxifen but aren't unbearable. I can't take any HRT as I had hormone-fueled breast cancer. My mother, maternal grandmother and maternal aunt all had total hysterectomies in their 40's and did well with it. My grandmother died of Parkinson's at 88, my mother is 71 with no cancer and my aunt is in great shape at 57. I would recommend having a gyn onc do the surgery instead of a regular OB/GYN as you are probably considered high risk. My gyn onc performed the surgery as if I might have ovarian or uterine cancer - he left each organ (cervix, uterus, tubes and ovaries) in tact as he removed them laparoscopically. He had a good look around while he was in there and would've taken lymph nodes and omentum if anything appeared suspicious. A regular OB/GYN wouldn't do all of that which could be trouble if any cancer is later found in the post-op pathology.
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Good point lekker about having a gyno onc perform it. My gyno onc also did a pelvic wash because I had the BRCA mutation. I guess just another piece of mind that there were no cancer cells floating around in there.
Emarie ~ it was driving my husband crazy that I kept going back and forth as to the extent of the surgery. I do have to say the fact that both my husband and my 19 year old son were very strong in wanting me to do both ovaries. Saying they wanted me around as long as possible. "But what if I turn into a crazy menopausal bitch?" , I said. "We're already used to that", they said. Hardy har har.
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That's hilarious! We have the same kind of family SusansGarden
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I am having a Gyn/Onc performing the surgery for exactly the reasons you suggested! Great to hear that you feel good! Thanks for your support and info!
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I am so sorry to hear about your BRCA status but lucky you for getting the test {and paid for} and being armed with that knowledge. Having a prophylactic oophorectomy is a tough decision and I am glad you are moving forward.
I can tell you that I had a salpingo-oophorectomy for different reasons than you but I am glad I did it. I had to lose my left ovary because I had developed a large benign cyst which overtook the ovary. It was medically necessary to lose the left ovary and tube {Drs are taking tubes out with ovaries as they are realizing that nearly 50% of ovarian cancers start in the tubes}. Whether to keep my right ovary in tact was the big decision I faced. I decided to have it removed as well {completely nervous as I was pre-menopausal although on Tamoxifen for breast cancer treatment which blocks body absorption of estrogen}. My choice was based on my history of female cancers {which everyone is telling me is unrelated} and given the sad fact that ovarian cancer is typically not caught until it is too late. After the surgery I felt an indescribable sense of relief, as if a thousand pound weight was lifted off my back. I did not realize how much energy I spent fearing that ovarian cancer would be next in my life. My team of drs and oncologists shared that they would have made the same decision I did in a heartbeat, especially given how close to menopause.
I too read all sorts of cautionary tales of the surgical aftermath and can only share that none of it rang true. Yes I have mild menopausal symptons {body temp regulation issues once or twice a day plus insomnia} but that is what I would have faced naturally, eventually anyway. The best advice my oncologist gave me was to move forward and know that she would partner with me to tackle any post-surgery side effects as they arose. I started taking a very light dose of effexor and I now feel great.
Best of luck to you as you take control of your health. {Because of your high risk for breast cancer, would you be a candidate for an Aromitase Inhibitor?}
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@JillC thanks for your reply. I'm not sure about the Aromitase. I will ask about it. I am sure I will be nervous from now unti the moment they knock me out for surgery
It feels so strange to have an organ removed just because I am at risk. Hard to accept.
Happy to hear that you felt such a profound sense of relief. I look forward to that!
Every Dr & Specialist I've seen has been adamant that they would also have the surgery.
I've found that some friends think its a very extreme thing to do and I am more cautious now about who I tell what. If you don't have the gene mutation or don't understand how genes work its difficult to fathom. Hope you are feeling good & enjoying life.
Thanks again!
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