August 2013 Chemo Sisters

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  • Gashgold
    Gashgold Member Posts: 58
    edited September 2013

    DebDylan - It is a really hard decision.  I hesitated even after being told it was 50/50 without it.  It is our natural instinct to protect our bodies from poisons.  My age and my family had a lot to do with my decision.  Maybe it would be different if I was 75 but at 50 there is still a lot of living to do, that make the risks worth it.  In the end we dont just make the decision for ourselves...my family would have been devastated if I hadn't done chemo.  I'm still struggling with the idea of Tamoxifen for 5 years.. so don't want to do that and then I've got to decide about a double prophylactic mastectomy at the end of this chemo.  Don't want to do that either.  Even with all this treatment apparently my chances of recurrence/death are still 20 vs 80%.  They say it like that's fanatstic, but it isnt really that fantastic from my point of view...

    If it was majority vote from my family, I'd have to do the lot...  If you are healthy generally and you think your body can take it, I'd do chemo.  It's only temporary... The only thing is if you are still wanting to be fertile which must be really tough for the younger women.

  • SewStrong
    SewStrong Member Posts: 399
    edited September 2013

    Deb, I am going through chemo for a 2 1/2% decrease in my chance of recurrence. I have triple negative breast cancer, though, and you have positive. TNBC is an aggressive cancer for which no targeting medication has been discovered, like the one women with positive breast cancer take for 5 years. All we TNBC's have is chemo and radiation, a good low-fat diet rich in omegta-3s and antioxidants, exercise to get our basal metabolism in the normal range, and prayer, until the day someone out there discovers what feeds the monster. I do not know what I would do if it were positive breast cancer. This cancer recurs quickly after treatment and I wanted my chance to be as low as I could get it. I think the size of the initial tumor has a lot to do with the % they tell us. My tumor was small. The onc put my stats in a computer program and it throws out a graph showing recurrence rate with no chemo. My onc agreed with me that I was making a good choice mainly because of the TN factor.

    I will definitely check out the constipation thread. I have thought about a jack-hammer.

    Eyelashes: I can't believe that I just got the tweezers and plucked my eyebrows!!! What is wrong with me? I'll be wanting them back next week.

    I hope you can read between my typos. I have lots of them.

  • lovewins
    lovewins Member Posts: 881
    edited September 2013

    Hello ladies...I haven't posted here before on this thread because my 1st chemo isn't until Sept 4th but I have been reading this thread for about a month now and I just have to thank you all for being there for one another and extending your heart and minds and strength to one another.  I have learned a lot from you all.  I was able to go to my first visit with my chemo nurse and kept myself together because of coming here and other threads and learning from you all.  Your faith is beautiful & inspiring.  God bless you all.

  • SaltyJack
    SaltyJack Member Posts: 420
    edited September 2013

    Welcome, lovewins! I'm also behind most of the other ladies on this board (but that way I can ask lots of questions and somebody will have the answer!). I just had my first AC chemo on Friday and so far, so good. No nausea and maybe just a little tiredness today. I'm waiting for the taste buds to go this week, though.... 

    I figure the hair is next but I'm hopeful about the eyebrows and eyelashes - thanks, ladies for that glimmer of hope.

    Here's to minimal and/or manageable side effects this week!

  • lighthouselady
    lighthouselady Member Posts: 752
    edited September 2013

    lovewins - welcome!  I'm a late bloomer too - just had my first AC on Thursday.  

    gildedcage - you wrote :

    The thrush I had last week felt like Chernobyl died in my mouth. I got some medicine for it that cleared it up almost overnight

    Just curious what they gave you?  I don't think I have thrush, but the awful coating & taste in my mouth is horrible.  Nothing tastes good unless it's sour or salty.

    Hot flashes - I haven't had them yet.  I am 40 and was supposed to start my period today, but it seems to be MIA.  Not that I'm complaining!  One less thing to worry about during the chemo stuff.  I don't know if chemo will affect my cycle this soon, though, so I'm prepared for "my friend" to show up this week.  I'm always cold (even in TX in the summer!) so hot flashes will be new for me!  LOL

    Eyebrows & eyelashes... my mom's friend used to run a shop for breast cancer patients (prosthesis, products, wigs, etc) and she sent me some Brian Joseph's Lash and Brow conditioner.  I've been using it since about a week before chemo... we'll see if it helps me hang on to them!  It's expensive (about $40-$50 a tube), but I've discovered just about everything we need to use for this process is expensive!  All of the OTC medicines, the toothpastes and rinses and ugh.  My prescriptions are actually cheaper than anything!  LOL

    I got out & walked 2 miles this morning.  I'm declaring that a chemo victory!  I was winded afterward and felt like I'd run a marathon, but at least I got some fresh air and exercise!  Felt really good after pretty much being house-bound since Friday.

  • batcatlady19
    batcatlady19 Member Posts: 138
    edited September 2013

    Today is better. Not as good as days 2-3 but a hell of a lot better than yesterday. Also wondering if it wasn't just the shot but part of the chemo too, since one of those has joint pain as a side effect & I had that in spades. Didn't try Claritin this time, might try it next time tho to compare.



    Getting frustrated & depressed bec. I really hoped I'd be able to get thru this with minimal days off work. I don't have paid time off, so this hurts our house hard. We have family & friends helping, thank the gods, but it's still stressful to think about.



    Of course, after surgery, I wanted to recover super fast (I had friends who said they went back to work the next day after a lumpectomy), & I was angry that I was in pain & couldn't use my right arm well. But then it *did* heal, & I felt mostly normal before chemo. So this to shall pass.



    Sorry, just needed to vent somewhere! I feel sorry for my poor husband who's prob tired of hearing me go on about this, but he's really being a saint.
  • SewStrong
    SewStrong Member Posts: 399
    edited September 2013

    lovewins, Don't leave. Join in. We can use your experiences to help all of us. I just had my first TC on Monday, just a week ago, so you're not that far behind.

    batcatlady, I think all of our husbands are tired of hearing about this. Men do not gab as much as women, but my husband, like yours, is a jewel. He cooks and just takes care of me. He even went to a yard sale with me just to get me out of the house.

    Gosh! I reread some of my posts, and my grammar is really poor for a retired school teacher. I need to edit these things. They're even hard for me to understand, and I wrote them! Well, I was a math teacher. Maybe that explains it.

  • LisaSp
    LisaSp Member Posts: 253
    edited September 2013

    Sharonanne: As a professional editor, I have to say that everyone's grammar, usage and spelling is really pretty good! Especially considering the personal and stressful nature of the stuff we're discussing. Don't worry! It's fine! If I wasn't already bald, my hair would fall out just remembering what I had to deal with when I edited my daughter's elementary school PTA newsletter. Aieee!



    Hey batcatlady! Sorry things are bad particularly your leave. Don't worry you can complain here its no issue. I'm currently lying in bed trying to wish the joint aching away. My pug is lying on top of me trying to be a heating pad.:)



    Welcome lovewins! Glad we could reassure you; stick around most of us still have a way to go on our journey.

  • lovewins
    lovewins Member Posts: 881
    edited September 2013

    Thank you ladies...

    (((((Batcatlady)))))  Glad you are feeling a little better.  Hope you are feeling much better soon.  The financial part is very stressful on top of everything else.  I can relate to wanting to vent, I think I must be driving everyone aound me crazy so today it's just me and these boards. 

  • naan1004
    naan1004 Member Posts: 520
    edited September 2013

    Lost track of who is who, but here I go,



    Eyebrows, from my past experience they started disappearing around end if chemo, I bought these awesome templates from Chemochicks.com do I can draw them in cause I was never good at drawing them freehand, one always came out crooked. One pointer don't put it on too thick cause people thought I had a tattoo done.



    Love wins, I had chemo end of Nov 2011. so I joined both Nov and Dec 2011 threads, I snuck into the Oct 2011 too to get some previews, so glad u are here. You have the right idea. The more informed you are, the easier to tolerate treatments!

  • tonya845
    tonya845 Member Posts: 25
    edited September 2013

    naan- I'm so sorry, this has to be so devasting for you. You and your family will be in my prayers. God Bless you!!!

  • naan1004
    naan1004 Member Posts: 520
    edited September 2013

    Tonya, I've accepted my dx and am an awesome fighter, so no worries, but I do appreciate all the prayers, so thanks!   God Bless You Too!

  • ForMyGranddaughter
    ForMyGranddaughter Member Posts: 294
    edited September 2013

    Today is day 4 post 2nd infusion.  Still not feeling quite right; no real pain but a little lower back  + knee discomfort plus it is VERY, VERY humid + add hot flashes and it's a combustible combination.  The Claritin probably didn't do much for the Neulasta shot.

    About 85% of my hair came out. What stayed didn't break off, it kept it's length.  It was only about 4 inches so I cut it.

    Im just laying around knowing that I'll feel better for work tomorrow.

    God Bless everyone.

  • ForMyGranddaughter
    ForMyGranddaughter Member Posts: 294
    edited September 2013

    http://www.savedhealed.com/healing.htm

    Above are healing scriptures.  Take them daily like medicine.

  • SewStrong
    SewStrong Member Posts: 399
    edited September 2013

    Well Lisa, you would think I could at least stick to the same tense in a sentence. I'm all over the place. I used to teach a high school English class when I was at the Christian Academy, but mostly, I taught the math. I correct my poor granddaughter's grammar all of the time, so I hope she doesn't get on here and edit my posts. I'm in for it if she does.

  • naan1004
    naan1004 Member Posts: 520
    edited September 2013

    Sharon, nobody is gonna correct your grammar here, we have better things to do.  No worries, we won't judge, I promise!

  • SewStrong
    SewStrong Member Posts: 399
    edited September 2013

    I have a question. I've read that days 7-10 are the days our immune systems are at their lowest WBC, but does the neulasta shot change that? I feel so well today that I am really confused about that one. I go in tomorrow for the CBC, so I'm hoping everything is beck to normal. I plan to work at the high school next Thursday, which is my 10th day.

  • SaltyJack
    SaltyJack Member Posts: 420
    edited September 2013

    FMGD - thanks for the Scripture verses. I'll be reading them over and over again, I know.

    A friend gave me the book "Jesus Today". Here's a passage that I'm going to repeat to myself as often as I need to:

    I'm not going to waste away the opportunity to depend on God more than usual by wishing it away. I'll trust that He knows what He's doing - He will bring good out of everything I encounter, everything I endure. He is the Lord of my future and He has great things for me!

    Hope we all have a good week - glad we're in it together!

  • lovewins
    lovewins Member Posts: 881
    edited September 2013

    Hi Saltyjack...I recently came to the same conclusion about my relationship with God.  I need to lean into and trust him more.

    I have another question....i think I may post it on another thread as well.

    It's been a little over a month for me since I learned I had BC...i know past tense but since I had my lumpectomy I have decided to think that way....anyway I know know one knows what causes BC but so far I have quit smoking...2 wks!!!!  Quit drink anything with artificial sweetners and just today bought some organic food.  Especially dairy products.  I watched a documentary today called Breast Cancer Diary where she got bc even though she lived a healthy life style...and also I have read here where womens did all the rights things and still got BC.  I can't say that...I have not taken good care of myself and now I am making changes...my question is....are you making changes since you found out about your BC to prevent reoccurance and if so what changes have you made?

    Thanks for anything you feel let to share.

    PS the documentary was good...sad but good.

  • lighthouselady
    lighthouselady Member Posts: 752
    edited September 2013

    That's an interesting question, lovewins.  Congrats on quitting smoking!  My hubby quit 2 years ago (after 30+ years!) and I made him PROMISE me that the stress of my diagnosis will NOT make him take it up again.

    I really didn't have any of the "risk" factors for BC.  I ate fairly healthy (aside from my diet coke addiction), walked several times a week, played golf, never smoked, had my kids before age 35, breastfed both of them for a year each, etc.  According to the things that lower your risk, I did most if not all of them.  And yet here I am.  I am BRCA2 positive, so I guess I should just blame it on crummy genetics.  

    I haven't really thought of changing much of anything right now, because after chemo #1 I'm in the "do what you have to do to survive" mode.  I try to find things to eat and drink that will taste good and not be horrible for me.  Maybe once I can actually get to somewhat of a new "normal" I will come up with a better plan, but for now it's one day at a time!

  • LisaSp
    LisaSp Member Posts: 253
    edited September 2013

    Sharonanne: The Neulasta shot is supposed to change that; raise your white blood cell count. It did just that for me successfully, with little pain, just some aches.



    Really, I think most of my SEs, with the definite exception of the hair loss and bad taste in my mouth, have been caused by the meds given to prevent the BIG SEs (oh the irony).



    Lovewins: My principal change has been my diet. I am cutting back severely on all high sugar content foods, "white" foods (rice, potatoes, bread), and no longer use non-organic milk, apples, eggs, soy products or farmed salmon. I also have stopped all alcohol (due to chemo) and may never have it again. I won't have bacon or cold cuts that have been preserved with nitrates either.



    This is because my tumor was estrogen positive and these foods are either contaminated with estrogen-like compounds (pesticides or growth hormones) or have estrogen-like effects (soy) or have a high glycemic index (white foods and sugary stuff) which produces an insulin spike in the body, which releases insulin growth factor which feeds cancer cells.



    This has undoubtedly raised my grocery bill but oh, well. I want to do everything I can to prevent recurrence.



    Congrats on quitting smoking I know it has to be tough particularly now since I'm sure you're stressed. Very good!

  • mankatostate
    mankatostate Member Posts: 231
    edited September 2013

    Sharon....good question I hope we can get an answer.

    SaltyJack...I realy like that quote thanks for sharing

  • SaltyJack
    SaltyJack Member Posts: 420
    edited September 2013

    Yes, good question, lovewins (good thing you joined us!). I've always been in excellent health - kind of laughed when the kid at Costco asked if I needed help with the 50-lb. bag of dog food, always take the stairs and park far away from the store, usually walk a couple of miles several times a week, go to a co-op garden every week and eat lots of organic vegetables; never smoked and have one glass of red wine a week. That's the good; the bad - I've taken birth control pills for about 30 years, drink lots of diet coke and use Sweet n Low in coffee and tea. No history of BC in my family so I figured there was no need to do monthly self-exams (at least I kept up with annual mammograms!).

    Like LHL, I can't even think beyond getting through the next couple of chemo sessions. I told my husband tonight that after a cycle or two I'll try to start getting back to normal (whatever that is going to be) - life can't stop for the next year....and I don't want it to!

  • SewStrong
    SewStrong Member Posts: 399
    edited September 2013

    lovewins, Google Jennifer Griffin's biography and look at the foods she eat. She also has a do not eat list. Three years ago, she found a tumor as big as the palm of a woman's hand. It was triple negative, which is what I have. I have changed my diet to eat only the foods on that list, get cardio exercise of 3-5 hours a week, think positive thoughts, and most of all, pray, believing that God is the Great Physician and will heal us if we only ask and believe. We need that belief that's as big as a mustard seed. That's all it takes. I have lost 20 pounds and after chemo, I will lose about 15 more to get my metabolism in the right numbers. This diet was structured for triple negative breast cancer women, but it's just a very basic fruit and vegetable diet. I learned so much by reading her biography.

    While our immune systems are down, we can't eat raw fruits and vegetables (unless washed thoroughly, but I don't trust myself and just don't eat them right now).  I'm going to bed. I have yacked enough today. See everyone tomorrow and hope everyone feels like a million dollar bill.

  • lighthouselady
    lighthouselady Member Posts: 752
    edited September 2013

    Well, I had heard that about fresh fruits & veggies, but if we're not supposed to have them, I'm sunk.  Fruit is about the one thing that tastes really good to me right now!  I do wash it thoroughly, hopefully that helps.

  • sgyukon
    sgyukon Member Posts: 27
    edited September 2013

    Sharonanne, thinking of you today. Made homemade chicken soup in preparation for my 2nd infusion this Thursday and a potential horrible weekend of SE's (i also stocked the freezer with popsicles and Italian ice). I strained it twice, skimmed the fat, and then ran it through the fat seperator. I'm not taking any chances.

    I shaved my head tonight, it actually felt liberating. Maybe it was taking control and just doing it instead of being at the mercy of the chemo drugs. Here's my day by day for those of you trying to plan around the hair loss:

    Day 13- shedding started.

    Day 15- about 1/4 of my hair was gone. Thinned out but no real bald spots. Had it cut from shoulder length to a longer pixie (about 3" on top).

    Day 16- heavier shedding, but still not obvious. The shorter cut really helped. Dime to nickel-sized bald spots started to appear.

    Day 17- scalp got very tender/sensitive.

    Day 18- (today) shedding worsened throughout the day. By this evening I could easily see my scalp. Got out the electric trimmers and buzzed it all off. Frustrated that I have not lost the hair on my legs, and thankful I still have brows and lashes.



    Hope this is helpful.

  • Cutiekool
    Cutiekool Member Posts: 50
    edited September 2013

    Hello ladies, day 15, What a day, hair started falling out yesterday, I was so upset. Today husband insisted i shave his head, ( i am so-blessed) 3 glasses of wine later. He shaved my head. It's difficult, but its a step closer to being cured. Tomorrow is my 2 nd infusin, I

    Will keep you all posted. prayers to each and every one of you.... God Bless

  • naan1004
    naan1004 Member Posts: 520
    edited September 2013

    Hello ladies, guess what?  My hair started falling out in chunks today.  I had chemo last Thurs, 4 days ago.  I'm amazed at how fast my hair started falling out!  This is great news!  No hair = chemo working!  Yes!!!!!! My hair grew back after chemo, so no worries!  I had my beautician (sister-in-law), cut and shave it all off. 

    The first time I had chemo, the onc recommended I shave it off, so I did and I'm glad he did cause would've been crying all the time if I saw my beautiful at the time very long hair fall out in chunks.  Stubble loss doesn't bother me. 

    Right now I live in a region of CA called the valley where the tempts are a little, ok a lot warmer than LA area by at least 20 degrees. It's been in the 90s and 100s here, so not gonna miss my hair there too.  I also have chemo induced menopause, yes it was confirmed with blood test of hormones by my onc, he said you are right smack in the middle of it, so not even beginning.  I get hot flashes or maybe it's the tempts here, but anyways the AC better be on all night or I can't sleep.  I am usually a person who is just hot in body tempt so add menopause, current weather tempts, u get the picture!

    My friends and family complemented me on my baldness before cause I have a pretty nice shaped head, I can rock this style.  I kind of want to walk around commando style and see how people react.  I think I'm pretty sexy looking bald!  That's my opinion, u gals can judge as soon as I figure out how to post new pics.  For my parent's sake maybe i'll wear a hat in front of them.  It's so hot out though! ugh!  I hate summer chemo!  I don't like wigs either, too hot and itchy!

  • SewStrong
    SewStrong Member Posts: 399
    edited September 2013

    Oh my gosh, Naan! That's amazing that your hair is falling out so soon!!!!! I am watching mine and expect it any day now. I guess you can now be called a "hot mama". Your attitude is super positive. I prayed again around  4:30 a.m. for the chemo to eat up all of the cancer cells. Maybe I prayed too hard and it ate up your hair follicles!! I try to pray for everyone on this thread by name and don't get that accomplished every day, but your name and HVVs are always in my prayers since you two have the highest stages of the beast.

    Cutiecool, You have an amazing husband. Good luck on your second infusion. You're two weeks ahead of me. I go every three weeks. I'm just now feeling normal.

    sgyukon, I hope your chicken soup doesn't make you sick like mine did. My husband made mine and he is not so good at getting out all of the fat. After I froze it, I saw a ring of fat around the edge of the container. It made me so nauseous that I have an aversion to it now. I think I'll eat crackers for the first 3 days after my next infusion. Your hairloss story is very graphic. Now I kind of know what to expect. I'm in my day 9, so here come da judge.

    lighthouselady, We can eat oranges, bananas, etc. that can be peeled. I peel mine then rinse them off in case I get any bacteria on the knife from the peeling. I'm avoiding blueberries, strawberries, raw broccoli, etc. I think carrots would be ok, because we can use a potato peeler on them.

    I gave my little doggie, Jackson, a bath at 5:30 this morning because I have to go to my doctor to have my CBC test and the poor little thing was itching so badly. I have tried everything. Today, we're going to get him Bill Jack dog food from PetSmart. My cousin said that she thought that would help his itch. He takes Comforts for fleas. I hope he isn't allergic to it. He's a miniature schnauzer and has a lot of hair.

    When my husband opens the refrigerator, the smells overwhelm me. We cleaned it our, yet I still smell something and it's not good. Whew! I guess I had better get used to it since it will probably be this way for the whole time.

    God bless everyone. I'm going down my list praying for everyone by name. I don't get everyone's name daily, but I do get around to each one so I can pray a more personal prayer.

  • SewStrong
    SewStrong Member Posts: 399
    edited September 2013

    Has anyone else had trouble with contacts since your chemo started? I tried to put mine in this morning, and it felt like a rock. I cleaned it again and tried again, with the same effect. My eyes look bloodshot.

    Jackson takes Comfortis, not Comforts. I can't spell.

    Cutiecool, If I had three glasses of wine, I don't know what I would do. I think I would be unconscious. If it comes to having to shave my head, I might try it, though.

    I'm stopping by the American Cancer Society in Northern Kentucky to see what is available to us. I need a wig stand, a cap to go under my wig, and a hat or two, if they are giving them away.

    Have a great day, everyone. Save some of that hair that's falling out and I'll tell you how to make a hairband with it.

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