Lymphedema and reconstructive surgery

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jan-m
jan-m Member Posts: 88
edited June 2014 in Lymphedema

Just got the call last week and got all excited.. I have an appointment to meet with a surgeon October 8th to talk about getting reconstruction.  Screech.. on go the brakes!! What are the chances of me getting lympedema from a surgeon messing around in that area again?

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  • vlnrph
    vlnrph Member Posts: 1,632
    edited August 2013

    What kind of reconstruction are you contemplating? Free flap vs implant might make a difference in the amount of surgical intervention required. Also, you may have a robust lymph system and not experience further complications. This is a good question for the doctor although some will be in denial about their possible "contribution" to the problem. 

    My plastic surgeon was very sympathetic when I showed up at an appointment wearing compression. His partner is now doing node transfer procedures but there needs to be more long term follow-up before I would consider that option.

  • proudtospin
    proudtospin Member Posts: 5,972
    edited August 2013

    I am interested in the thoughts on this as was thinking about surgery to balance me out...but have LE in my trunk and really trying to keep it under control

  • jan-m
    jan-m Member Posts: 88
    edited August 2013

    I will figure out which route to take after I have met with the plastic surgeon in October but at this stage I am leaning towards a DIEP flap.  This week has been my yearly physical with gp (monday) and also 6 monthly check up with oncologist (today)..  I asked both and my gp said he didn't think that it would make a difference but my oncologist said that as long as the plastic surgeon doesn't need to go into my armpit and touch anymore lymph nodes that I should be okay.  He did say I should ask the plastic surgeon as well and that it may make a difference as to what procedure he does.  My onc also said that if I haven't gotten lymphedema yet that I wouldn't get it.. but I think we all know that that is not always the case.  

    vlnrph.. I would wait to see what happens with that node transfer precedure also.. kind of sounds like it could be trouble to me.  Did you get reconstruction?  Your answer may also help proudtospin :)

    Thanks for any help!


  • vlnrph
    vlnrph Member Posts: 1,632
    edited August 2013

    I had immediate DIEP because the sentinel node looked clean during initial evaluation. Micromets weren't found until more complete pathology was accomplished. Then the surgeon insisted on full axillary dissection 2 weeks later. I do have some truncal edema now also but the tissue is warm & matches my "good" side pretty well.

    Funny that jan's onc doesn't realize the lifetime risk of LE - perhaps she could print some information from SUSO and educate him!

  • jan-m
    jan-m Member Posts: 88
    edited August 2013

    That is why I come here vlnrph :) you can't beat the knowledge that is on these community boards!  

    Where can I find the the info from SUSO?  

  • Binney4
    Binney4 Member Posts: 8,609
    edited August 2013

    Jan-m, SUSO is short for StepUp-SpeakOut.org. There's lot's of information there, and if you haven't visited the site yet you might want to take some time to look around. But the information vlnrph is referring to is a page for doctors, written by a doctor with lymphedema. It's here:

    http://www.stepup-speakout.org/essential informat for healthcare providers.htm

    Hope that helps! Be well,
    Binney

  • jan-m
    jan-m Member Posts: 88
    edited August 2013

    Thanks so much Binney, that does help.  I will check it out!

  • B123
    B123 Member Posts: 730
    edited August 2013

    Hi Ladies, I am new to the lymphedema thread.. I am hoping for some help?

    I had a BMX in 2011, reconstruction was Feb 2012 implants.  I am now feeling pain under both arm pits, mostly on the left side (non effected side) with burning/pulling nagging pain on the side of the breast, on the scar, under the arm and down the side? I feel like there is a pulling (crawling) feeling in the left breast and muscle achy all the way to the back (scapular) is this lymphema? Do I need to worry??  I have swelling under the breast (on the ribs) and swelling between the armpit and the breast.  Getting worried and annoyed!! Is this normal??

  • Binney4
    Binney4 Member Posts: 8,609
    edited August 2013

    B123, helloSmile

    The swelling you describe could well be truncal lymphedema, which is often painful. The pain can be a burning pain, like a nerve pain. It can even seem to move around and be hard to pinpoint, and it's not usually responsive to pain meds. Best idea is to check in with one of the doctors on your team, and if s/he doesn't mention lymphedema, by all means bring it up. Any doctor on your team can write a referral for an evaluation by a well-trained lymphedema therapist. Here's how to find one near you:
    http://www.stepup-speakout.org/Finding_a_Qualified_Lymphedema_Therapist.htm

    Here's information about truncal lymphedema:
    http://www.stepup-speakout.org/breast_chest_trunckal_lymphedema.htm

    Please keep us posted! Gentle hugs,
    Binney

  • B123
    B123 Member Posts: 730
    edited August 2013

    Binney, that's what I think and was told by another on a different thread.. It is painful and all over as you say. I really don't understand how/why after 1 1/2 yrs this is starting now?

    I made an appt with my ps for wed so will see her thoughts. There is off/on burning and numbness, achy tugging feel. Edema in armpit outward and down. I thought maybe an infection? Or something worse..

    Thank you Binney, I will look at the link now!! Xo

  • Binney4
    Binney4 Member Posts: 8,609
    edited August 2013

    B123, lymphedema can develop at any time after breast cancer treatment, even years later. I think the record we've had posted here was 23 years laterSurprised. Sometimes we don't know what triggers it, but other women experience it after some especially strenuous activity (moving the furniture, say), or a trauma (like a cut, sunburn, new surgery, poison ivy, insect bite, etc.), or a plane trip or other altitude or pressure change.

    Do let us know how it goes on Wednesday. Be well!
    Binney

  • carol57
    carol57 Member Posts: 3,567
    edited August 2013

    B123, sometimes it takes a while to get an appointment for evaluation by a qualified lymphedema therapist, but I hope you persevere and push for that.  In the meantime, many of us find that compression relieves some of the symptoms. You might investigate a compression T shirt that will apply pressure right into the armpit and of course, in the area nearby that's bugging you so much. I wear UnderArmour men's T shirts (womens' versions have little cap sleeves that cut into the armpit; the mens shirts have longer sleeves). I also have a variety of shapewear, including some Spanx and other brands that are essentially elbow-length shirts made with tons of spandex. The advantage of shapewear if you can find what fits well is that the necklines are wardrobe friendly, whereas the UnderArmour shirts are not very compatible with most other clothing.  A shapewear cami might help too, if the straps are wide and the armholes are not cut too low to do any good.  Worth investigating!  I hope you get some help and relief soon.

    Carol

  • B123
    B123 Member Posts: 730
    edited August 2013

    Carol57, I didnt realize you can do that? I cant believe I have this suddenly? I went canoeing 8 miles a few weeks back.. could that be it?

    I have some camis with a shelf, will that work or is it that I need something with pressure on the armpit/arm as well?  I am very sore half way through the day and if I stretch my arm up I feel a burning pulling in the side of the breast and armpit.  My PS has no room for me this week or next week so I have to figure it out myself I guess... Thanks so much for the advice and help!!  Does it ever go away??

  • carol57
    carol57 Member Posts: 3,567
    edited August 2013

    B123, canoeing 8 miles is a lot of stress on areas at risk for LE. But if it's been a few weeks, it seems unusual to me that paddling alone would be the cause of your current symptoms. But have you done any highly repetitive, or heavy-lifting activity since the canoe trip?  Maybe insult-added-to-injury is at work here.  A compression T that puts pressure on the whole area might be better than a cami. If you've got extra fluid floating around, a cami might encourage fluid to move around where a very snug T would give it less chance to continue to pool in one spot or another. There are sure no guarantees here, but if you can try a compression T or even a cami that's cut really high, you'll know soon enough if it helps you feel better.  When I have not worn my compression sleeve enough, I get that horrid burning feeling, and putting compression on --sleeve plus an UnderArmour T shirt--always makes me feel better. One problem for you is that your tissue is quite tender now, so the very process of wiggling into a very snug compression garment could aggravate things, although after a little time once in the garment, it might feel better.  

    I don't know about LE ever going away, but my own experience is that it can become quite manageable. I'm very lucky that mine has always been on the mild side, so I started from an easier place than a lot of women.  I too am a paddler and can go quite a distance for many days in a row, wearing my compression sleeve and gauntlet plus a compression shirt. But that's after a slow and steady program of weight lifting to prepare my arm and torso for the stress of paddling. I'll be happy to tell you all about that, and get you some resources, if you like--after you know what you're dealing with and get some relief through good therapy.   If you have LE, it's best to put off any heavy exercise until the LE has stabilized.

    Do you have access to a swimming pool?  Some lazy movement in the water helps some of us when lymphedema is barking at us.  Compression from a bathing suit, if it has good coverage, helps too!

  • B123
    B123 Member Posts: 730
    edited August 2013

    Well now that I think of it, it did begin prior to canoeing the 8 miles, I did canoe prior but not at all far, I also was lifting some heavy things.  I wonder if the combination did me in?  I do have a compression sleeve, I will put that on while finding a compression top.  It is not really bad but I am very aware of it.. makes that side feel heavy and achy.  I am afraid to lift weights, I thought it could shift/hurt things in the chest?  I would love to hear your program and resources, thank you!  How long has it been for you since exchange?  Have you always had the LE?  I dont have any pitting, but definatley have edema in armpit and side, not the arm. 

  • B123
    B123 Member Posts: 730
    edited August 2013

    So, I just looked up the LE compression garments and it shows sleeves that do not cover armpit and the bra/torso that does not cover armpit? Maybe I will look at the underarmour ones you spoke of?

  • carol57
    carol57 Member Posts: 3,567
    edited August 2013

    The compression garments designed for LE do not cover the armpit, so we need to be creative. If you google compression shirts, you'll find an overwhelming array 'out there.' UnderArmour tends to be expensive, but the advantage is that you can find them in lots of sporting goods stores, to try on. 

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