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gracejon
gracejon Member Posts: 972
edited June 2014 in Lymphedema

I have used my prophalactic arm for IV's and blood draws although it has been my choice and a risk I had been willing to take. I mentioned it to the phlebotomist prior to stick and he said their policy is extra scrubs prior to stick with not only alcohol but betadine also. I am totally impressed that he was versed in the subject of mastectomy and avoiding blood draws on arms. I guess I should mention it in the future also. Again the recommendation is to avoid B/Ps, IVs and such, I have chosen to use my arm and am willing to take that risk. I do think it is a good idea for an extra cleaning to hopefully prevent a cellulitis but realize that the prudent and right thing to do is try to use another draw site altogether.

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  • Jennifer1295
    Jennifer1295 Member Posts: 244
    edited April 2006
    I have used my prophylactic side in the past as well. I have used my foot too. Some are experienced enough to do other locations and some are not. My experience with surgeries has been they will do the foot if it is a shorter surgery and they know in advance.



    All I can do is to be careful. But darn I don't want to have to be so different all the time. Yes lymphedema is a pain and no I don't want it in the other side and I take precautions. I know lyphedema can happen to anyone at any time. But I have a hard time with "should avoid this and that". Thanks for the heads up on the alcohol and betadine tip.

    Jennifer
  • Lettiegonz
    Lettiegonz Member Posts: 20
    edited May 2013

    I am planning a body massage. My question is it safe to massage the side of the arm that the lympe nodes were removed?

  • purple32
    purple32 Member Posts: 3,188
    edited May 2013

    Lettiegonz

    This reply will be personal opinion ONLY.

    I had  a few massages afer my LX, and I wish I hadnt.  It is hard to  have  a lifelong conditioon and keep looking in the rearview mirror and wondering if you did things that might have triggered it.  I REALLY dont know.

    The only thing I am 100% sure of is this - knowing what I do now I would avoid massge, but if you are set on having one, I sure would avoid that quadrant.

    This said from someone who now " must" do  massage ( MLD) twice a day, forever.

    Please be careful with yourself.

  • carol57
    carol57 Member Posts: 3,567
    edited May 2013

    Lettie, the standard precaution on massage is to avoid massage in the quadrant where you have lymphedema, where four quadranta are defined by drawing a line from neck to groin, and side to side at the waist. So one fourth of your trunk plus related limb, and that includes both front and back.  You had nodes removed  but you did not mention having LE, so I do not know what a lymphedema therapist would say about massage for you.  My guess is that it's fine, but maybe ask for a gentler version in the at-risk quadrant.

    The reason for avoiding muscle and deep-tissue massage when we have LE is that the lymphatic vessels include tons that are superficial; just below the skin, and they can shut down at least temporarily if too much pressure is applied. If we already have LE, the lymph fluid transport is already compromised, so sustained, deep pressure against the skin makes it worse.

    Manual lymphatic drainage, or MLD, is usually called a 'massage' but it's not really a massage in the classic sense, and lots of LE therapists dislike the word 'massage' when referring to it. MLD uses the hands to gently stretch the skin in very particular directions, which nudges the lymphatic fluid in the direction needed to relieve swelling and other LE symptoms.  Our compression garments also apply pressure to the arm or other LE body part, but even though it's quite firm pressure, it's a very steady pressure, also designed specifically to keep the lymph moving in the right direction.  I thought I'd explain MLD and compression garments here, just to make sure you see why LE massage and garment pressure are different from the kind of massage you're thinking of.

    So...hoping that Binney or Kira can weigh in on the advisability of massage if there's no sign of LE.  Because I really WANT you to be able to have that massage!!!  I go to a massage therapist for help with scar release, and she knew little about LE when I first consulted with her, but it turns out that she knows a lot about the lymphatic system and it was a good conversation.  I'm having her work near my armpit now, because I trust her gentle hands, but I'm still reluctant to suggest a 'real' massage that includes my LE quadrant.  But oh, how I miss that!  

    Carol

  • Lettiegonz
    Lettiegonz Member Posts: 20
    edited August 2013

    Thank you for the awesome information:)

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