Treating estrogen responsive cancer naturally

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  • chef127
    chef127 Member Posts: 891
    edited August 2013

    Joellelee,

    Can you share how your BG is doing?

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  • dogsandjogs
    dogsandjogs Member Posts: 1,907
    edited August 2013

    What is BG? 

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  • Lily55
    Lily55 Member Posts: 3,534
    edited August 2013

    What is BG please?

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  • chef127
    chef127 Member Posts: 891
    edited August 2013

    BG===BLOOD GLUCOSE levelSmile

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  • dogsandjogs
    dogsandjogs Member Posts: 1,907
    edited August 2013

    I read that the risk is only 13 percent if you don't take a hormonal. That's pretty low---

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  • dogsandjogs
    dogsandjogs Member Posts: 1,907
    edited August 2013

    Thanks!  I'll have to look at my last bloodwork to see if mine is in the normal range. Hopefully the internist would have said something if it wasn't?

    So if your sugar is high you are at risk for diabetes, right? What else?

    I crave sugar like crazy - not sure why---

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  • chef127
    chef127 Member Posts: 891
    edited August 2013

    dogsandjogs

    I would hope your internist would tell you if your BG was too high. I hope yours is in the normal range 80-95 I think?? I actually feel better when mine is in the 150 range. I never craved sugar till I became a diabetic. High BG is very bad for cancer b/c sugar feeds the cancer. sux when I'm eating sweets. "Take me now" if I can't indulge a little. If it is too high ask your dr for metformin. It comes in 500mg, 1000mg.

    High BG is a sign of diabetes, nothing else.

    xox

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  • dogsandjogs
    dogsandjogs Member Posts: 1,907
    edited August 2013

    Thanks Chef! 

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  • chef127
    chef127 Member Posts: 891
    edited August 2013

    You are welcome.

    Now go an have a piece of pie.

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  • dogsandjogs
    dogsandjogs Member Posts: 1,907
    edited August 2013

    Ok, I will!

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  • Lily55
    Lily55 Member Posts: 3,534
    edited August 2013

    Where did you find the 13 percent risk please?

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  • Momine
    Momine Member Posts: 7,859
    edited August 2013

    Dogs, the risk would depend greatly on type, grade and stage. For my particular cancer, the hormonal makes a big difference. It is hard to judge exactly how big of a difference, but it is significant. Even with all the treatment I have had, my risk of recurrence/mets is high.

    According to cancer math, my risks are as follows:

    With surgery and chemo, the death rate (15-yr) is 26%

    With a hormonal added to the treatment, the death rate (15-yr) drops to 18%.

    That means the hormonal offers a risk reduction of 8% (absolute) and if you do it relative the number is significantly higher obviously - about 30%. But that is given my particular stats.

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  • dogsandjogs
    dogsandjogs Member Posts: 1,907
    edited August 2013

    Yes, sorry for the confusion. One site says a 65 percent reduction for people who have NOT been diagnosed. But a lot of women don't want to take the hormonal due to risk of bone and heart problems. Then for a recurrence, it says 30 percent reduction, but then throws in a 13 percent and a 9 percent figure. It is confusing.

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  • dogsandjogs
    dogsandjogs Member Posts: 1,907
    edited August 2013

    http://www.adjuvantonline.com/breasthelp0306/ExemestaneSideEffects.html

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  • Momine
    Momine Member Posts: 7,859
    edited August 2013

    Dogs, thanks for posting the link. The study was done on aromasin versus tamox, not on aromasin versus nothing. So what it says is that women on aromasin had a further 30% reduction in recurrence risk as compared to women on tamox. The 9% was the recurrence risk for the aromasin group, and the 13% was the recurrence risk for the tamox group. That is a reduction of 4% in absolute terms, and 30% in relative terms (4 as a percentage of 13).

    It also says in there that for women, like me, with positive nodes (i.e. more advanced cancer), the advantage was even greater.

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  • dogsandjogs
    dogsandjogs Member Posts: 1,907
    edited August 2013

    Thanks Momine---I should have read it more closely. 

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  • Momine
    Momine Member Posts: 7,859
    edited August 2013

    No problem.

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  • koshka1
    koshka1 Member Posts: 678
    edited August 2013

    Hi, I have just finished 5 years of tamoxifen. I am 45 and still pre-meno. I am looking now for a more hollistic approach. Is there any website you can point me to for this as opposed to reading all the threads. I already take Melatonin and Curcumin.

    Kosh

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  • phxsunshine
    phxsunshine Member Posts: 242
    edited August 2013

    I stopped Tamoxifen the end of October 2012.  I really felt normal again in May and it just keeps getting better and better.  My estrogen levels are coming down too. Don't know if that's from menopause or my diet and supplements or both, but it's trending in the right direction.  My estrogen went from 241 in May to 71 in July. I'll take it!

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  • phxsunshine
    phxsunshine Member Posts: 242
    edited August 2013

    Congrats koshka1!!  That is fantastic news!  Here is the website of my Naturopathic Oncologist's office.  She is Dr. Heather Paulson and she wrote this "booklet" :  http://www.aznaturalhealth.com/health-tips/#

    Click on the "cancer prevention" tips.  She is writing a book that she hopes to complete in 2 years but these are some gems for all of us to incorporate into our cancer free lives!

    I've never found a website for finding advice on what supplements to take, I'm just glad I found Dr. Paulson. She will do consults via Skype if anybody is every interested. Her dad died of cancer, and that's her inspiration. She is a terrific healer and a loving soul.

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  • CCFW
    CCFW Member Posts: 661
    edited February 2014

    del

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  • Jccbh57
    Jccbh57 Member Posts: 1
    edited August 2013

    What is "DIM"?  I've just had a left breast lumpectomy and am looking for alternative methods to prevent future episodes.  I'm triple receptor positive.

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  • tenaj
    tenaj Member Posts: 1,052
    edited August 2013

    I have reading to do to catch up on then information on previous pages, but wanted to say I've joined the natural team. I decided 4 days ago to stop the tamoxifen. I took it for 13 months & was previously on femara for 12 months. The side effects of the tamoxifen are getting worse as time goes on. Feeling like I can't move without everything hurting is no way to live. At this rate I will be out on disability because I can't work anymore. My MO doesn't know yet, My next appt is in about a week. This was not easy decision but at the very least I'd like to take a holiday. My son is getting married in about a month & I would like to be able to move & not be so bloated. Thanks for letting me add my 2 cents, I'm off to do some reading.

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  • Mini1
    Mini1 Member Posts: 1,836
    edited August 2013

    AI's were awful for me. A year later I still have some lingering SE's. I take DIM with no problem. I stay away from sugar. They use what is basically sugar water for PET scans because it goes right to the tumors. Stay away from refined sugars. Stevia and Xilitol (sp?) work well if you have to have sweetners. I have a serious sweet tooth and can say honestly that one you break yourself of the habit you will not crave it. 150-60 for BG is high. If it is consistantly that high, you should talk to your doc. I found out about my pancreatic issues when mine spiked like that. It is rare now that mine is over 80-85.

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  • Shayne
    Shayne Member Posts: 1,500
    edited August 2013

    momoschki - Soymilk is THE most processed soy product.  I would not count that in the same group as edamame.......  

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  • QueenSansaStark
    QueenSansaStark Member Posts: 207
    edited August 2013

    From what I understand about soy, it's the processed products (yes, like soymilk, also the "fake chicken" nuggets, etc.) that are bad. The Japanese eat fermented soy like tamari and miso. I also think the GMO, pesticides, and who-knows-what that is in much commercial soy is not good for us. And this processed soy is in a LOT of places we don't think to look (like vitamin pills, for instance).

    So I won't drink soy milk or eat soy-based "fake chicken", but I will cook with soy sauce and have a bowl of miso at my favorite Japanese restaurant. The supplements I take don't have soy in them. I pay through the nose for them Undecided and I wish I could have afforded them ten years ago, but that is water under the bridge.

    DIM = diindolymethane, I3C = indole-3-carbonyl. Google "DIM breast cancer" and you'll find it shows great promise and many women swear by it. You can get it off Amazon, or at the Vitamin Shoppe or Whole Foods. Start out slow - taking too much can cause headaches as I found out. DIM might also turn your pee a funny rusty color. Drink lots of water!

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  • chef127
    chef127 Member Posts: 891
    edited August 2013

    Its so hard to avoid soy products. It seems to be in everything.I just ordered a bunch of supps and most have soy in them. My fault for not checking before I ordered. I opened one. I'll give to an unsuspecting friend.. w/o BC

    I heard that all soy is now GMO??? Like our corn and even wheat. F@@king Monsanto. Did anyone see the news on the Ground Beef manufactured in a lab? Time to be a vegetarian, but don't eat the soy or corn or wheat........scarey.

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  • jojo68
    jojo68 Member Posts: 881
    edited August 2013

    Just buy your meat from a local organic grassfed farm if you have one nearby?...I am lucky to live in Amish country! Kiss

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  • Mini1
    Mini1 Member Posts: 1,836
    edited August 2013

    Queen is right on. Soy is like salmon. It's good if it's not farmed, bad if it isn't and most of it isn't. Miso and tempeh are OK. The rest is crap. I read labels carefully. It's in things that don't even need so they can say it's "healthy." You have to be careful. I use unsweetened almond milk if I need milk for something.

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  • EricaAnnie
    EricaAnnie Member Posts: 1
    edited August 2013

    Hi my name is Erica. I am hoping to get the name of your Naturopath. I live in Texas and I don't have a clue where to begin. I am 38 years old. My onco wants me to start chemo/tamoxifen in 3 weeks. I am panicked! My cancer is er+ pr- her2-low. I had a bilateral mastectomy a few weeks ago which I blew through with out any trouble and now I have the big decisions to make. I know beyond a shadow of a doubt that all the traditional treatments sound horrific!! I just do not know where to begin to find council on an alternative treatment plan. I am very overwhelmed and want to make the best choices for me and my family. I appreciate any information!! I was just diagnosed on 6-27-13. I feel like my life as I've known it has changed forever! But I don't want this change to be awful and scary! I just need information (wise counsel!) thank you so so much!! Erica

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