Calling all TNs

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  • Luah
    Luah Member Posts: 1,541
    edited August 2013

    Wrenn, welcome. I think there is a Vancouver group of ladies under the Canadian Breast Cancer Survivor forum, not sure how active that thread is, but they have planned get-togethers in the past. As you move through treatment, be sure to drop in on the Surgery, Chemo and Rad threads, as applicable. Lots of support there. But this Calling all TNs thread has been my favorite, so visit often and feel free to post questions. As for treatment options, I would encourage you to go in with lot sof questions and an open mind... it's not about having doubts (though it's better to have those before treatment than after), but being properly informed and making sure your choice is the right one for you. Certainly many women choose MX, and many others choose LX (probably more so in Canada), depending on the nature of their cancer and personal risk factors. Someone mentioned recent research on Lx having better outcomes for TN, here is a link: http://jco.ascopubs.org/content/early/2011/06/29/JCO.2010.33.4714.abstract?elq=4fb8490e0ed5444ab6225f74da463b8f      Good luck with your appointments.  

    Michele: Thinking of you and hope you are doing okay. 

    Karen: Thinking of you too - hope the trial proceeds well. It's pretty fascinating it involves a prostate cancer treatment, as I have been reading lately that the biology of TN is more similar to PC than other forms of BC. May be a very promising treatment!   

  • InspiredbyDolce
    InspiredbyDolce Member Posts: 1,181
    edited August 2013

    I read that study.  It looks like it does not take in account if a women with a mastectomy has chemotherapy.  In addition, it also mentions the concept of lvi and nodes affected, in a part of the study.  With additional data that was introduced into the article, I found it hard to determine any clear conlcusion on lx having better results than an mx with chemo.

    In particular this sentence brings more questions, because I thought the article (based on the title) was going to be about women without nodes affected:   "In multivariate analysis, MRM (compared with BCT), lymphovascular invasion and lymph node positivity were associated  with increased LRR".

    I find for myself, I can type into the internet, the result I want.  If I want to find that mx has better survival rates than lx, I can type that in and pull up data to support that.  If I want to find that lx has better survival rates than mx, I can type that in and pull up data to support that.

    The main thing is to find out from your Onc what treatment is better for your particular situation.  We all have different risk factors, and some risk factors might be elevated more and respond better to a particular treatment than that of someone else with seemingly the same diagnosis but different risk factors.

    Treatment lowers risk factors, and some treatments might lower the risk factor percentage more than another treatment. So it's important to find out the % of risk reduction each treatment would bring.

  • InspiredbyDolce
    InspiredbyDolce Member Posts: 1,181
    edited August 2013

    Hi everyone,

    I think my period is coming back.  Darn it.  :-)  I haven't had one in 18 months.

    I want to know from those who had your period return, when did it return? Were you scared?  Did you feel like it was going to change your body and trigger anything?

  • TifJ
    TifJ Member Posts: 1,568
    edited August 2013

    October will be 3 years since I've had a period. I was 44 at DX and turned 45 just before chemo. I had a little spotting at the 2 year mark, but nothing ever came of it. Unfortunately, I still have awful hot flashes and night sweats!

  • InspiredbyDolce
    InspiredbyDolce Member Posts: 1,181
    edited August 2013

    Ok!  Thank you so much for the info Tif.  I was 43 at dx, and my period stopped right after the BMX, even before chemo.  I only have a touch of spotting, so maybe I will be like you!  I am 45 now. 

  • DorMac
    DorMac Member Posts: 155
    edited August 2013

    I have had Dawn's (Inmate) name added to the Angels List from the Threads site.

    Doreen

  • bak94
    bak94 Member Posts: 1,846
    edited August 2013

    Just stopping by to say hi! My 3 month followup is on Wednesday so of course I am stressing out. Seeing a new doc also as mine retired.

    I keep expecting to find a post from Dawn here. Thank you Dor Mac for adding her name, I miss her so much.

  • lizlori
    lizlori Member Posts: 148
    edited August 2013

    Hi Relocate,

    I too opted for bilat mastectomy due to the triple neg numbers as well as wanting matching breasts.  I am in the process of recontruction, and am waiting for the final surgery to remove the expanders and put in implants.  Sounds like it won't be for a few months yet.   You will have lots of support during your journey from some really nice caring women on this thread.   Take Care....and Hugs to you....Lori

  • christina1961
    christina1961 Member Posts: 736
    edited August 2013

    DorMac,

    Thank you for adding Dawn's name. 

    Bak94, Hope all goes well with your check up and hope you like your new oncologist. Love your profile pic.

  • beachbound009
    beachbound009 Member Posts: 89
    edited August 2013

    Debra,

    My period returned about three months after my last chemo. It scared me to death at first because I had some vicious cramps and then the flow was heavy and clotted. It was pretty extreme for me when it came back so I went to my Gyno. Turned out my body was expelling the IUD I had had placed when I was diagnosed. Once I had that sucker removed, my period leveled out and became more regular.

  • ALHusband
    ALHusband Member Posts: 344
    edited August 2013

    OK. Got my wife's genetic testing results back today. She tested positive for the BRCA-2 mutation. She had a lumpectomy on April 23rd. She will complete chemo on August 6th. The plan, until today, was to begin radiation after chemo. Now, however, given the genetic results, we're 2nd guessing. Given the BRCA mutation, we're wondering if prophylactic mastectomy is a better idea than radiation. Can anyone chime in with any insight on this? Sure could use the help!

  • TifJ
    TifJ Member Posts: 1,568
    edited August 2013

    AL Husband- we have a gal on this thread that is TN with the BRCA 2 mutation (most TNs- if they are BRCA positive are BRCA 1). I can't remember her name, but I will try to find her for you.

    Ladies- does anyone know who I'm talking about?

  • TifJ
    TifJ Member Posts: 1,568
    edited August 2013

    ALHusband- The member I'm talking about is cc4npg (Angelisa). I see that she hasn't posted since January, but you might want to send her a private message.

  • InspiredbyDolce
    InspiredbyDolce Member Posts: 1,181
    edited August 2013

    BRAC2 has a lifetime risk lower than that of BRAC 1.  If this were me, I would change course and have a BMX as well, and enlist the most aggressive treatment possible.

    Your team might suggest that you are taking the best course already, so if it is that you and your wife opt for a BMX, make sure to convey that there is no other option you want to consider at this point, so that you aren't losing treatment time by going back and forth with the doctors in a debate.

    To help you with all things weighing in on your decision, I just attached a couple of links about information relating to BRCA.

    I also have read information that shows some amazing great results with BRCA carriers over that of non-carriers. I remember this clearly, as the information was so strong, that I e-mailed it to my genetic counselor, concerned that the wild types (those not BRCA1/2) have a higher risk of recurrence than that of BRCA carriers, in this one study. She was aware of the study and said they are furter exploring as to why that is.  So that is very hopeful news for you and your wife. The study downloads into a PDF, but I'm attaching the link here so that you can pull it up if you'd like.  You may have to paste it into google and then click on the directly from google. 

    clincancerres.aacrjournals.org/content/17/5/1082.full.pdf

    http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/factsheet/Risk/BRCA

    http://www.breastcancer.org/risk/factors/genetics

  • Loafer
    Loafer Member Posts: 121
    edited August 2013

    Hi ladies - Just had my first mamo post cancer. All is good, which I am very grateful for! I continually try to find info in TNBC with negative BRCA results, to no avail. Are there studies on recurrence rates with negative BRCA results published? Thanks for all the great info and support!

  • InspiredbyDolce
    InspiredbyDolce Member Posts: 1,181
    edited August 2013

    Loafer ... BIG Congrats to you!  Go celebrate!

    Well the study I posted above for AlHusband, has the BRCA1/BRCA2/ and Non-Carriers in that study.  You can click on the link ( or paste it into google) and read that.  When you are not BRCA1 or 2, you are a WildType.  Most studies seem to have all types lumped together, but this one has a chart for each type, and even further classifies each subtype by additonal criteria.  It's may not be very comforting though, as in this one study, the carriers had higher success rates vs the wild type.  I asked the Genetic Counselor about this and she still thought that stats were excellent for early stage TNBC, and told me not to worry about this study too much. 

  • mags20487
    mags20487 Member Posts: 1,591
    edited August 2013

    Inspired...I was 43 when dx..mast chemo rads...my periods stopped after 2nd chemo..actually had it during chemo se weekend...errrrr....then nothing for almost 18 months until I had diep..thought I would bleed to death from period not the 12 hr surgery...then 2 months nothing then 4 weeks later one and now it has been since feb that I had one...not missing it at this point as now it is just a nuisance I do not need as my baby days are over ( my baby turns 21 on the 12th)  . 

    Happy for the good reports...to those in tx hang in there...I feel like I am getting my life back now approaching my 2 yr mark soon...Hugs and kisses to all you brave ladies and supportive hubbies

    Maggie

  • InspiredbyDolce
    InspiredbyDolce Member Posts: 1,181
    edited August 2013

    Oh Maggie, thank you so much for the info!  Funny about the 12 hr surgery comment ... ROFL!

  • kathyrnn
    kathyrnn Member Posts: 393
    edited August 2013

    Mags - loved that period from hell.



    Talking about periods....if you haven't seen this it IS definitely worth watching. It is the new Tampon commercial that just came out. Very funny and shows how far we have come from "the curse"



    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xY9o3aDeQOw



    Went for my second post dx Mammo Thursday. It appears Leftie has gotten jealous over all the attention Rightie has been getting. There's nothing worse than the feeling you get when the technician comes out and says "we need a few more pictures". When they do the US immediately.....you know it's not good news. Whatever it is it's small and the odds of it being cancerous are minimal. I had the choice of a biopsy or a 6 mo recheck. (Having already just started chemo complicates things. *thumps secretary who rescheduled my Mammo firmly on head*) My surgeon was on board with immediate biopsy based on my luck at "whatever can go wrong will". My other reason for wanting the biopsy is that if it does happen to be positive, it gives us something to check the effectiveness of the chemo by.

    Biopsy is Tuesday, as long as my white count is good on Monday. I'm hoping Leftie is just a Prima Donna and it's just a cyst.



    Hope everyone is well?

  • beachbound009
    beachbound009 Member Posts: 89
    edited August 2013

    Kathyrnn- You are in my prayers.

  • OBXK
    OBXK Member Posts: 791
    edited August 2013

    Kathy - that just sucks! Sorry you have the added stress.



  • Titan
    Titan Member Posts: 2,956
    edited August 2013

    Kathy..hoping it is nothing...been there done that..I was done with chemo and and had a mammo of lefty for the "fun" of it and had microcalcifacations....4 in a row...turned out they were vascular but totally freaked out for 3 weeks cause my bs was on vacation..so anyway understand completely what you are going through and hear ya/

    on another note..went to the dentist this week...ok..I'm 53 and have always had cavities..you would think I would out grow them at some point..anyway..the hygenist said that people with highly acidic saliva have a tendency to have more dental issues...ok..I know that I can speak highly acidic..lol....she talked about alkaline..not sure if there is any correlation but remember MBG always talked about alkaline in our bodies...I just can remember if it is supposed to be high or low...does any know?

  • Mely19
    Mely19 Member Posts: 73
    edited August 2013

    Hi everyone,

    I've been following this thread for a while and thought I'd finally chime in since I've caught up on some of the posts and have something to contribute.



    Alhusband- I'm brca 2 positive as well and had a bilateral mastectomy. Actually had the sx before i got results of genetic testing. Since I was only 40 at time of diagnosis, they gave me some ridiculously high percentage of recurrence within my lifetime. I was not comfortable with those odds and would have done bmx if I only had lumpectomy. So ultimately, your choice of treatment is gonna depend on what you are comfortable living with.



    Inspired- thanks for posting those links. Interesting study. Not sure what to make of it.



    Titan- the first onc that I went to talked about the acid alkaline bit so I looked it up. Cancer is suppose to thrive in an acidic environment so we want to eat things that are more alkaline. I bought a book from amazon that rated how acidic or alkaline certain foods were. General theme was sugars and carb were more acidic and fruits and vegetables more alkaline.



    Kathryn - so sorry you have go through the added stress!



    As an aside, I wish I would have found this thread earlier during my treatment since it seems like the only place where I felt like I "belonged" with the frustrations of tnbc.

  • Netter
    Netter Member Posts: 107
    edited August 2013

    I am finished with chemo.  Going to see my onco Aug. 12 and wondering if I should get the gene test?  I have heard that your insurance doesn't cover this and it is very expensive?

  • InspiredbyDolce
    InspiredbyDolce Member Posts: 1,181
    edited August 2013

    Kathryn, thinking of you for Tuesday.  I'm glad to hear it's only a small chance of being something else.  Please report back as soon as you find out. 

  • InspiredbyDolce
    InspiredbyDolce Member Posts: 1,181
    edited April 2014

    Hi Everyone!

    I got on Metformin!  I want to just stop for a moment and thank all of you who provided me links and articles for reference.

    My Doc put me on 500 twice a day to start.

    Questions:

    • If I work out each AM, how should I factor this in?  Should I work out first, then come home and do my kale/blueberry smoothie and take it then?  Does the smoothie thing count as a meal?
    • If you are starting off at 500 twice a day, when are you going up to 850, or are you?
    • Is there a study anywhere that talks about 500 x 850 benefit?
    • Have you found your sugar cravings subsiding? For the first time ever, I am not starving right now.  Usually I can not get enough to eat, and even eat more than my husband. So for me, this is awesomoe.  I finally am not thinking about food all the time. 
    • Have you had any tiredness? I slept good last night but it might have been that we were out of the house for 13 hours yesterday, in the heat.

    Is there anything I should be aware of or such? I took my first pill last night right after eating dinner. Is that when you take it, after eating, not before, right?  So far no problems!

    Have a great day!

    - Metformin

  • Mely19
    Mely19 Member Posts: 73
    edited August 2013

    I didn't mean to scare anybody to get tested for the gene. Only a small percentage actually have it. I happen to have a family history of breast cancer. (Mom passed away from bc at young age) Insurance covered it but I had to go through genetic counseling first to determine if I was at risk. Without its $3000. Interestingly I went on my own 4 yrs ago before bc and was told I was not a hi risk for the gene since only my mom had it on her side. Agreed with it and no test done. Fast forward 2-3 yrs later, dad gets prostrate cancer and 2 more paternal cousins plus me get bc. One cousin and I get tested and we match. So gene was passed on from dad not my mom.

  • mags20487
    mags20487 Member Posts: 1,591
    edited August 2013

    Annie my darling...hope you are ok...please let us know how you and your daughter are doing. We love you...tight group hug with our Annie in the middle



    Maggie

  • OBXK
    OBXK Member Posts: 791
    edited August 2013

    Netter - I paid for my genetic testing. It was about $3400. They set up a payment plan - like $160 a month.

    I had it done because of my family history. I was negative. If you have no family history, I'd skip it.

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