STFU (Shut the F*** UP)

WTH....I post less than 24 hours ago and there's THREE PAGES. There was quite the gabfest this morning at 4 am my time.

.....and Cammi, you can spell now !!??!!

Wait!  Cammi can spell?    Okay, and I just had my 30th birthday!    Ha, ha!  And then YOU Cammi.... You even surprised yourself! 

Actually you did NOT make any mistakes....  Since I can READ everything you say now, PLEASE don't change!    And yes.... That clam chowder was  de-lish!  I would have given you some if you were here!  My God, you are sooooo funny!    My WHAT?  That MUST be Italian!    Okay, do you know what Italian fore-play is?  So pretend you are a guy, snap your fingers, and point!     I'm going to get kicked off of here....

Hi Shells!  Thinking of you! xoxoxoxo

Oh Miss Mary...I want you to be comfortable...I'll let our hoolie medical staff chime in with better info♥

checking in me and Otto the Oxygen tank.....

Chickie r u better?

Mary, I'm no medic, but if you need them, use them. If the pills stop helping, they can up the mg, or there are other meds you could use.

Sweetmissmary,

The big concern is making sure you are comfortable and able to function.  If you need to take more, take more. Definitely don't stop if the medication is working.  Who decided 4 a day is your limit?  I know someone who takes 9 a day (2 pills every 4 hours-8am, 12noon, 4pm, 8pm and 1 at bedtime) and does fine.  Talk with your doctor.  Maybe you need to take 2 at a time instead of one.  I know there is a concern about liver damage with too much Tylenol/acetaminophen so the recommendation is no more than 3200-4000 mg/24 hours. There are many options for pain medication when the hydrocodone is no longer effective.  

That's my two cents.  I'm sure others will be checking in, too.

Take care. 

Just remembered there is vicuprofen if Tylenol is a concern.

Maryneedsmeds---I am the biggest pusher of pain meds than anybody and if u knew me before BC I didn't take aspirin, if I had a headache I'd put ice on it or just wait til it left. There is no reason to be uncomfortable for any kind of pain. And I wouldn't worry about being an addict in any way, that usually happens with people who were in pain and kept taking meds when they are not in pain--U have pain, u have the arsenal use it and if needed tell u'r Dr. u'r still in pain. I just started a stronger pain med, u guys noticed cuz after I take it I can spell and I talk alot then I quiet down.

OK Chevy u and I are both going to get thrown off hahahaha

Morning gals.... !  Mary, It just makes sense what these women have said.....  I mean even Cammi!     I was thinking that "yes" I'll bet your body DOES build up a tolerance to a prescribed dosage, and then you need more!   Like those cute little commercials with the kids in school, and the one little girl says "More, you need More!"  Or "want"..... whatever.

I wouldn't worry about being addicted or anything.... you are in pain, and you DO need to stay ahead of it.... and not wait until it takes you over.

And Juliaanna said something important also... Maybe your Doc needs to adjust your pills... and the amount?  Just don't really let it start hurting before you take the pills.

We're WITH you kiddo....  just do what makes you comfortable. xoxoxo

Gumby bursting your bubble as my bubble was burst. They used low calorie sugar in the UofM study. BUt the encouraging thing is the window is still open as a study design was  suggested for further reducing the sugar content OR use SUGAR FREE Cranberry Juice in a repeat study

That was another reason I liked that "Morsels of Evidence" web site. They did an analysis of the U of M study that used the whole scientific method to evaluate  the study.  Pros and cons, it was done very well i.e they made it easy to read and understand.

A previous study which is the one earlier sometime plus or minus 2000 supported cranberry juice as being useful. Quote from Australian study ''There was prior low level evidence suggesting efficacy of cranberry in the prevention of UTIs. This study(U of M emphasis mine) provides moderate-high level evidence (NHMRC Level II) that cranberry is ineffective in young sexually active women who were otherwise well"

SOOOOOOO, hopefully a third study will correct the design flaws of the U of M and previous study and do another one.

One thing identified in the Australian analysis was both the LCCJ -low calorie crannberry juice and the placebo used for the control had ascorbic acid--vitamin C. So, That may have influenced study results. The suggestion was either make sure Vita C was eliminated or do a study on Vita C.

In the mean time your suggestion of using sugar free is as good as anything right now as long as the approach with telling someone that it works is, "there are questions raised and it hasn't been proven, but it won't hurt you".

EDIT: Your comment that yeast loves sugar is so true.

Sas I still use things that were used when I was a kid and it works fine--Of course I see a Dr. all the time for other things but those little things that I'm certainly not going to call a Dr. for I use old remedies and they do the job.

Just popping in to say sas....you know what you are talking about.  I had Gential Violet as a younster and it worked really well.  Looked awful but hey.  At any rate.....when we lost our Insurance....right before my cancer was found....I was a little desperate.  That is when I signed onto the V.A. for all my txs which have been fantastic and are the reason I'm alive and NED today. 

The part of the narrative that applies so well though is that the V.A. is ( I think  ) seldom swayed for the most part by the 'newer' drugs.  Most of mine were switched and indeed, they seem to do a better job than the 'newer' ones that were replaced. 

I am quite happy with the results of it all and when I now watch commercials for some of these new things on t.v. just wow.  The list of side effects are incredible and I often wonder.....unless you really, really had to.....who would even dream of putting some of those things in your mouth.  I for one would be thrilled to get away a bit from all the "new" stuff and get back to some of the things that worked so well.....like Asorbine Junior....not sure of the spelling of that, but we always had a bottle of it -- along with old fashioned Mercurichrome ( sp!! ).  Some things just don't need changing.....and I don't buy anti-bacterial soaps either.  A through hand-washing is good enough.  I do buy wipes though for my counters where food is fixed but not too much else.

Jackie/Lilli

Cami -I'm not discounting older treatments. I've said for several decades that I think orthodox medicine that started throwing out old treatments for the last century and a half has done us all a disservice. Humans survived throughout millennia, by using methods to correct problems. Also, humans died when the method used didn't work b/c it killed them. But we would have never survived as a species without the use of some of these old remedies. Nostradamus was  a doctor as well as a seer. He healed folks that had the plague by cleaning up their environment-(got rid of rats and washed things up), AND used Rosehips--high in Vitamin C. Medical history may debate that these two things had that much impact. But he had a reputation for fixing things till his wife and son died of plague.

Anyways..... us 60 & 70 y/o's remember more of the old remedies than the younger generation. The younger generation was brought up during the time NEW drugs and methods were touted as the best. The kind of benchmark moment of change was the introduction of antibiotics in the late 1930's. That's an oversimplification b/c books have been written on this. The biggest change was from the 1960's on. BUT our generations(1920's thru 1950's) remember the old ways. That's why the government gave in and developed NCCAM-National Center for Complimentary and Alternative Medicine" that I wrote about when we talked about candling. IN the late 80's we were in our PRIME LOL. WE demanded that the old ways not be discounted. Our generations forced the government to act. NCCAM was established in 1992. It's possibly just a sham now , but it does exist.

Older drugs sometimes do better....they still say the cancer cure is going to come from the rain forest, or the jungle.......and I qualify as knowing old drugs.....lol.....

Ducky, your right in the sense that perhaps the cancer cure hasn't been found yet.  Drug sorces forever have been from--animals, plants, minerals, and synthetic. The protect the Rainforest crowd have used this in there battle for decades. It's absolutely true. An unknown though, is do we have something already that is useful and we don't know it.

Forgot who mentioned mercurochrome. Loved the stuff, never knew why it was discontinued. This link gives an explanation.

http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/2518/what-happened-to-mercurochrome