Not BRCA 1 or 2 but considering double Mx..need advice

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Alicia-Rae
Alicia-Rae Member Posts: 31
edited June 2014 in Young With Breast Cancer

Hello, i am 27 years old and was diagnosed at 23. I am not a BRCA carrier but I have been having so many issues with lumps in breast for the last year that it is crazy stressing me out. My family histiory of breast cancer is very scary and my mother was diagnosed at 47. The doctors are starting to frustrate me as they dont take me seriously and the lumps are just not worth the stress. I am just wondering if anyone without the gene had considered having a prophylactic mastectomy just to stop the worry. Several people have suggested it to me but I am unsure because there is really no immediate reason. 

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  • weety
    weety Member Posts: 1,163
    edited July 2013

    Alicia,

    I don't think you are crazy to consider it at all.  I was not BRCA1 or 2 positive, but found out that I carry another, more rare breast cancer/pancreatic cancer gene, called PALB2 that wasn't found until after my dad was diagnosed with pancreatic cancer. So, it turns out afterall, that BRCA1 and 2 are not the only genes that can increase a person's risk of breast cancer.  Is the PALB2 the only other one that is out there but not discovered yet?  I doubt it.  I'm guessing there are still others.  So, if your own personal history of breast cancer, as well as that of your mother are enough to worry you endlessly, I say go for it.  Had you not already had breast cancer, my answer would be different.  But your body has already shown that it is capable of hosting cancer, AND at a very young age. 

    I just recently went back and removed my "healthy" breast in April.  I don't ever want to go through this process again.  I wish I could remove the risk for the pancreatic cancer part as well--I'd cut that out in a second if I could, too--but unfortunately that's not possible.  Other people might disagree with me, but ultimately, it is your choice and only you can decide what is right in your unique situation.  Good Luck!

  • MelissaDallas
    MelissaDallas Member Posts: 7,268
    edited July 2013

    There are other genetic syndromes that do raise your risk for breast cancer. Besides BRCA, they checked me for CHEK2 & PTEN mutations. Lynch Syndrome & L Fraumenii syndromes. Colon cancer runs in my family.

  • exbrnxgrl
    exbrnxgrl Member Posts: 12,424
    edited July 2013

    Alicia,

    According to your signature line, you are stage IIIb, grade 3, node positive and triple negative. Why wouldn't a bmx be considered or taken seriously?

    Caryn

  • lekker
    lekker Member Posts: 594
    edited July 2013

    Alicia-Rae - you were diagnosed with stage IIIb, triple negative breast cancer at 23 and people think a BMX is unreasonable? Even without further genetic testing, if you feel it will give you peace of mind going forward (knowing that even the drastic surgery will not eliminate the risk of a local recurrence or new primary), I would think that it's your decision - and no one else's - to make.



    Did you have the full BRCA sequencing including BART? I ask because BART isn't always included. Also, if you have any Ashkenazi heritage, they might've only tested you for the three founder mutations. While those three account for 90%+ of mutations in that population, there are exceptions.



    I assume you've already spoken with a genetic counselor about your family history - did he/she suggest testing any other genes? Weety mentioned PALB, but there are several other known genes that have been implicated with breast cancer (TP53, PTEN, possibly the Lynch Syndrome genes, etc). After I tested negative for BRCA, we moved on to the Broca panel out of the University of Washington to test 40 other genes. I didn't have any mutations found so I will continue to research new discoveries and potentially ask for more testing as it becomes available. My GC said that the understanding of cancer genetics is still in its infancy and she's confident that a lot more will be known in the next few years. As a side note for anyone else who might be looking for information about genetic testing, after the Supreme Court struck down Myriad's BRCA patents, the Broca panel also includes full sequencing of BRCA 1 and 2 (with BART included) and I think it costs less than Myriad's BRCA-only test.

  • Alicia-Rae
    Alicia-Rae Member Posts: 31
    edited August 2013

    hi ladies thanks for the replies. as some of you may know when they start talking to you about genetics and what you have and what you don't it gets confusing! as far as I know they have tested me for all genes connected to Breast Cancer. I was also tested for P53 which came back negative. But now I am going to call the genetics counsellor and ask her about the Broca panel and the PALB and the others you had mentioned. Just to make sure! my family history is RIDDLED with cancer. Mom had breast cancer (Pagets) many great aunts had lung and ovarian and one two more with Breast cancer on my mothers side. My fathers sister had lymphoma and i only have one living grandparent right now the rest died from cancer. My mothers father from prostrate cancer and her mother from lung and my fathers father from liver cancer. So you can see my worry! haha! 

    The doctor REFUSED to do a Mx when I was diagnosed three years ago and only did a partial mastectomy. He says because I don't have the gene there is no need for me to have one. Honestly i'm fed up. I have been dealing with several lumps and MRIs and other symptoms for about a year now. I am going in for ANOTHER ultrasound tomorrow on a swollen lymph node they found two months ago. I am starting to feel like, I have two young children and having them taken off would make me more secure in my survival. However, I am only 27 and would like reconstruction, and do i really want to go through all that right now? My youngest is 16 months old. I suppose it would take a while to get an appt to have them taken off. But have you ladies had a Bmx and what was it like? Was it worth it? I am confused. 

    Thanks for your help!! im so glad I have this forum for support and help! 

  • laura11103
    laura11103 Member Posts: 87
    edited August 2013

    I am getting a prophylactic done on my left next week and I am brca negative, also getting immediate reconstruction and also have a 16 month old...  my doctors haven't discouraged me at all and no one has tried to convince me I'm doing the wrong thing.  I have been sure about my decision... I just don't need 1 real breast to worry me ever again... for me, it was an easy decision and then you don't have to worry about lymph node dissection and such either...

  • shoppygirl
    shoppygirl Member Posts: 694
    edited August 2013

    I am currently being tested for the gene due to a long family history. I insisted in a double mx because I was terrified that they would find it in the other breast later on. I think it should be your choice especially considering what you have already gone through. Can you find another surgeon that will listen to you? Good luck.

  • lekker
    lekker Member Posts: 594
    edited August 2013

    My breast surgeon strongly encouraged a lumpectomy as she felt that with my small, lazy, hormonally-driven tumor, a conservative surgical approach would be best. I told her from the beginning that I wanted a BMX but I agreed to the lumpectomy, knowing that I could have more surgery in the future. The pathology showed multiple areas of LCIS as well as an additional tiny invasive tumor in another quadrant of the breast. Radiation would've taken care of those other areas in theory, but it sealed the deal for me to move on to a BMX and later I had a total hysterectomy/oophrectomy - all knowing I was BRCA negative. Did I overreact/over treat/act out of fear? Maybe. But with multiple primary cancers both of which presented abnormally young, I showed two signs of a genetic predisposition to cancer - even if current medical knowledge can't identify the responsible gene/s yet.



    I removed my breasts, uterus, cervix, tubes and ovaries but I won't be asking them to take my colon (prophylactic total colectomy is sometimes done by people with Lynch Syndrome). Why not? Aside from the very real fact that I still use my colon every day in a way that I don't use the others as I'm done having children, that's not the reason. I can go in for regular colonoscopies and have a great chance of catching a polyp before it becomes an invasive cancer. The polyp is removed and barring complications, my colon would continue on its merry digestive way. What's the screening protocol for ovarian cancer? There isn't one. Mammograms didn't show my palpable invasive tumor. Would an annual mri? Maybe but then I'd be looking at surgical biopsies every time they saw an abnormality as I simply would not be a candidate for watchful waiting.



    The BMX with TE placement was painful, and the months of fills long and uncomfortable, but for me it was the right choice. One year out from diagnosis I am still adjusting to my new body, but I'm overall happy with the way I look and that makes it a bit easier to say that I wouldn't change a thing. One suggestion for you might be to talk about this decision with a geneticist or genetic counselor rather than your surgeon. I can't tell you how many MD's have made comments like "if you're BRCA negative, you have nothing to worry about" as if that's the only possible cause. Good luck to you!

  • farmerlucy
    farmerlucy Member Posts: 3,985
    edited August 2013

    I absolutely had a PBMX "just to stop the worry", but I also had ALH and ADH. I was so sick of the high risk screening, biopsies, anxiety. Did my surgeon think I was overreacting? Yes he did. But he still agreed to do it. My genetic doc was the only one who thought it was a reasonable idea. (I had a 50% risk, Brca neg, high risk family). Honey, you do what is right for you. There is a surgeon out there who would do the procedure.

  • Alicia-Rae
    Alicia-Rae Member Posts: 31
    edited August 2013

    Thanks so much for the responses ladies it really does help! I have an ultrasound on my right breast tomorrow for a palpable lump and a swollen lymph node that they refused to do a biopsy on two months ago. I had to fight for this stupid ultrasound because the mammogram came up negative. I don't care what they say I'm not convinced. Anyways after the results of that come back and possibly a biopsy I think I am seriously considering having a pbmx. I just don't want the worry! I mean I have two young children I'm 27 I don't want to worry like this for the rest of my life you know? I'm high risk because of my family history and because I was diagnosed so young. I just think it will be better and easier for me in the long run.



    @laura1103 - what kind of immediate reconstruction are you having done? This would be a big consideration for me as I don't really have the time to go back in and have a second surgery and I have radiated skin so they are already telling me implants might not work.



    Again thanks ladies its helpful to hear this stuff. Support is always needed!!

  • rozem
    rozem Member Posts: 1,375
    edited August 2013

    hi alicia

    im from toronto, canada

    with your family history - mother diagnosed before 50, ovarian cancer in a fam member, young age and being triple neg having a prophy is absolutely reasonable even without the gene.  As many posters have indicated, they havent identified them all and your family may very well have a genetic link that hasnt been discovered yet.

    You are entitled in canada to the surgery plus reconstruction under OHIP.  If you want any info on good plastic surgeons in the toronto area ( i see you are close being in mississauga) please send me a private message.  I have a lot of info on reconstruction after rads here in canada that i can share with you aswell

  • exbrnxgrl
    exbrnxgrl Member Posts: 12,424
    edited August 2013

    Alicia,

    I am getting upset on your behalf. I am still completely baffled by how someone with your dx would be denied a bmx. It is not prophylactic as you have already been diagnosed with node positive, triple negative bc. Why, why why?

  • rozem
    rozem Member Posts: 1,375
    edited August 2013

    exbmxgrl - i have found in my journey that many canadian surgeons are very hesitant to do mastetomies if a lumpectomy is possible.  I honestly think its because we have public healthcare.  I know in the US plastic surgery is a BIG business - here we have literally 4-6 good ones that we all use if in Toronto (which is one of the largest cities) wait times can be up to 2yrs to see one.  When one of my US sisters tells me to get a second opinion what they dont realize is that you are waiting MONTHS  - so sometimes you just cant wait.  Unfortunately because alicia has finished active treatment she will have to be on a pretty long wait list to see a surgeon and coordinate immediate reconstruction.

  • exbrnxgrl
    exbrnxgrl Member Posts: 12,424
    edited August 2013

    Rozem,

    Thank you for explaining that. In the US, reconstruction is a legal right that women have after mastectomy. Yes, plastic surgery is big business but reconstruction after disease is a very different thing. I guess I am just surprised that actually getting a bmx is so difficult for someone who does not have early stage bc.

    Caryn

  • beacon800
    beacon800 Member Posts: 922
    edited August 2013

    I had BMX after dx of pleomorphic LCIS.  I tested BRCA neg.  My mother died of bc and her two aunts also had it.  My insurance covered the procedure completely.  I am really happy with the outcome and feel great and confident, unlike before where I was constantly anxious and always having biopsies.  Some might find it overtreatment, but it's my life!  I am happy like this.  Easy for someone to say it's overtreatment but they didn't have their mother die young.  It's very individual.  Do what your heart tells you and then accept that decision.

  • Alicia-Rae
    Alicia-Rae Member Posts: 31
    edited August 2013

    Ladies thanks so much for replying. It makes me feel better knowing you feel the same! I apologize for not replying but I went to the cottage and there is no cell service or internet there. relaxation for a bit! - well as much as you can with a 4 year old and a 16 month old haha!!

    exbrnxgrl thank you for being upset on my behalf! haha! I am upset too! my doctors are being ridiculous right now and the only one standing up for me is my family dr!! also i dont know why they wouldnt do the bmx when I asked for it and just insisted on the lumpectomy. They said it was because I was young, there was no need, I don't have the gene.. blah blah blah.. so annoying because now its 3 years after and I am going for biopsies like all the time, i have ultrasound every time they think they feel anything.. a few MRIs.. so now is when I am considering a bmx.. i think im pretty convinced its the right idea but rozem is right and I would most likely have to wait quite a while before getting in because it would be covered by OHIP and they need to get the women actively diagnosed done first.

  • marymo
    marymo Member Posts: 2
    edited September 2013

    You seem to have already made up your mind on what you want done. I think it comes down to how much risk your willing to live with? I choose bi-lateral mastectomy with immediate recon over 6 years ago and I'm very happy with my choice. It's your body and your life so you need to fight for what you feel is best. In the end its you that has to live with the decisions you make.

  • melmcbee
    melmcbee Member Posts: 1,119
    edited September 2013

    Alicia, I am so sorry you are going thru this. You would think that it would have been cheaper to do the bmx instead of paying for all the tests and biopsies. I hope that you have already got on the waiting list. I hope to hear that you have a surgery date soon. I had a bmx and radiation on my right breast. I have several issues with pain and 1 with cellulitis but I dont regret my decision. I also didnt understand that I could still get a recurrence even after a bmx. Good luck

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