Anyone on Tamoxifen after double mastectomy and clean nodes??

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Marcyv
Marcyv Member Posts: 42

Hi everyone!  I am new the the forum and I sure wish I'd found it earlier!  I had multiple invasive carcinomas stage 1 on my right side and carcinoma insitu stage 0 on the left so chose to go the double mastectomy route.  They took the sentinel node from each side and both were clean. I did not need chemo or radiation but doctor put me on Tamoxifen.  First week my foot swelled up so I stopped taking it.  He's convinced me to start again so I am now just a week back in but already feel tired and my sleep is goofed up.  I am very afraid of the side effects but if this is going to help reduce my risk of getting another type of cancer, so be it.  But, what % are we even talking about here?  I don't even have breasts anymore!

Has anyone else beep prescribed Tamoxifen after double mastectomies and clean nodes?  I just wonder why I'm even taking it.

Thanks!

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  • odie16
    odie16 Member Posts: 1,882
    edited July 2013

    Hello Marcyv!



    I too had a bilateral mastectomy and clean nodes however have been on Tamoxifen for almost two years now. Figure anything I can do to reduce any recurrence risk is good. If it is any consolation, the side effects do tend to subside after a couple of months.



    According to my oncologist, I will likely be on Tamoxifen for the next 8 years absent any issues...

  • carolpr56
    carolpr56 Member Posts: 241
    edited July 2013

    Marcy, not a double, but rt side and tamoxifen x 4 years. Just got diagnosed with IDC on the mastectomy side.



    I didn't take my tamoxifen as regularly as I should have. I wish I had! Please work out the side effects with your doctor.

  • ssla01
    ssla01 Member Posts: 480
    edited July 2013

    Count me in. I was on tamoxifen prior to surgery for 5 months. After bmx, I am now back on it for 5 years. In my experience, the side effects lessened after about a month.

  • voraciousreader
    voraciousreader Member Posts: 7,496
    edited July 2013

    Marcy... Did your physician have the Oncotype DX test done on your tumor specimen? If so, the Oncotype DX score would give you an idea in a percentage of how much Tamoxifen would reduce your chance of future distant recurrence. For some women, the benefit in absolute terms is small, while for others, it is large. Nonetheless, if you are getting side effects, you need to discuss it with your physician. If your risk of recurrence is moderate, you might wish to discuss ovarian suppression with your doctor and perhaps switch to an aromatase inhibitor instead of taking the Tamoxifen. Keep in mind, there are other risks and side effects associated with ovarian suppression and AI's.



    Speak to your medical oncologist and try to first nail down how much benefit you will derive from taking Tamoxifen before making any further decisions. Remember you have many choices and none are written in stone...

  • new2bc
    new2bc Member Posts: 559
    edited July 2013

    Hi Marcyv,

    I too had a double mastectomy with clean nodes and early stage IDC. I have started taking Tamoxifen for 2 weeks now. My doctors told me that a mastectomy does not fully remove 100% of breast tissues and that it why I need to take Tamoxifen. Who is the manufacturer of your Tamoxifen?. I believe there are 2 companies now that make them. Mine is made by Teva. I started dividing the pill in half and taking it twice a day. I will start taking the whole pill next week. So far I do not have any side effects but it could change later. I have read in these forums that each manufacturer has added different fillers to this pill which will cause different side effects. If yours does not work out, may be you can try the other manufacturer. It is also a good idea to see an ob/gyn to get a base exam of your uterus and ovaries b/c they need to be monitored every year because of Tamoxifen.   

  • Marcyv
    Marcyv Member Posts: 42
    edited July 2013

    Thanks everyone for the responses!  Yes, I did have the Oncotype DX test.  I have yet to pick up the actual results by my dr. said my risk is low.  At the time he made it sound like if I don't tolerate it well that it was really on the fence if I needed to take it or not.  Now he says I need to or have my  ovaries out (that was my idea).  My mother had breast and ovarian cancer so I'd rather get them out of there!  I did read here somewhere though that someone is on Tamoxifen even without ovaries.

    I'm glad to hear from you that the side effects get better!  Anyone get nightmares by the way?  Wow, the last couple nights were aweful!  (could just be what I ate  :-)).

    The brand I am taking is Teva as well.

    Carol, I'm so  sorry to hear you were diagnosted again!  insitu on the mastectomy side??? wow.  I guess that proves not all the breast tissue is gone.  I'm sorry.  Are you having surgery?

    Thank you all again for the responses.

  • new2bc
    new2bc Member Posts: 559
    edited July 2013

    Marcyv,

    I have a lot of dreams that I can remember after I wake up. Before Tamoxifen I could not remember my dreams. But so far they are not nightmares.  

  • farmerlucy
    farmerlucy Member Posts: 3,985
    edited July 2013

    Count me in re: stage 1, clean nodes, BMX, and taking tamoxifen. Also my onco score was quite low so Tamoxifen makes about a 2% difference. I am very happy to be taking it. I had a rough start, stopped for a year, then tried again, this time with few side effects. The worst part about not taking it was the emotional drain of knowing there was more I could be doing to prevent recurrence. 

    I'm taking Effexor as well. I have very vivid dreams, but generally not scary. I don't mind them at all. I do know now that I dream in color!

  • Marcyv
    Marcyv Member Posts: 42
    edited July 2013

    That's just it isn't it?  The thought that if it did come back and I chose not to take Tamoxifen is pretty horrible.  Funny, I quit smoking in January - I just woke up one day and said, I'm 50 years old.  If I don't stop smoking now and get lung cancer in 5 years, I will look back to this day and just hang my head.  Three months later I'm diagnosed with breast cancer.  :-)  Actually what  blessing that I didn't have to go through the cancer treatment and try to quit smoking at the same time!  Doc says he wouldn't have done the reconstruction if I had still been smoking.  Thank goodness for small miracles. 

  • ssla01
    ssla01 Member Posts: 480
    edited July 2013

    Yes on the crazy dreams! They have mostly stopped too. My Onco score was 17.

  • carolpr56
    carolpr56 Member Posts: 241
    edited July 2013

    Hey, Marcy! Yes, I'm having surgery again - it's invasive this time, not in situ like before. So yes, there's still breast tissue there : (  I had the sentinel node out yesterday, now the long WAAAAAAit over the weekend for results. Meet with onco next Friday to discuss tx options. More surgery, etc. I am sure (I want the expander out and a prophy on the reduced left side - will join the Flat and Fabulous bunch ; )

    No nightmares that I attribute to the Tamoxifen, but the leg cramps, omg. Not everyone gets them, though! Just if they start up, know that's what it is!

  • farmerlucy
    farmerlucy Member Posts: 3,985
    edited July 2013

    Carolpr56 - May I ask how you discovered the new lump? Also how did they do the second SNB? Crossing my fingers that the node is crystal clear! BC sucks!



  • niki1202
    niki1202 Member Posts: 54
    edited July 2013

    I'm on tamoxifen and had stage I 0nodes with BMX as well. My score was a very low 8, so didn't need chemo or rads but my oncologist felt very strongly about me taking tamoxifen for the next 10 years. She felt because of my age (32) I significantly lower my risk of cancer reoccurring. So far I haven't experienced any side effects, but I only started taking it on Wednesday. I waited until after my exchange surgery. I'm also quite concerned about the possible side effects, and admit I almost refused taking it, but I have a daughter and I have to make sure that in the end I do everything possible to fight to be around for her. I know side effects can be managed one way or another, but if cancer rears its ugly head again, it might come back more vicious.



    Carolp56, keeping you in my thoughts and please let us know about the results! So sorry that you have to go through this again.

  • carolpr56
    carolpr56 Member Posts: 241
    edited July 2013

    Thanks niki! All I can say is, take that med every day, lol! Then if you get a recurrence like me, you'll know you did everything : (   Most annoying  side effect I had was the vaginal discharge - like, pube boogers, sorry gals! but really....ick.

    Farmer Lucy, well, I feel around the implant fairly frequently because quite honestly, it feels weird lying down. Wrinkly and squishy. So I felt this marble-sized lump in the side of my implant, sideways to my armpit. I called my onco the minute the office opened and within 8 days that sucker was out of there. Invasive ductal carcinoma. I guess left over in the tissues from my mastectomy? Took 4 years to go from carcinoma to IDC? I don't know. At any rate, we were all expecting a fat necrosis or something, so that's why we had to go back in for nodes. The surgeon didn't expect to be able to get a sentinel node after having "messed around in there" (lol) but by God's grace he did. So now at least I'm at less risk for LE!

    Lucy, you asked "second SNB" - I didn't have a SNB the first time 'round, as I had multi-focal DCIS. They took 5 nodes to look at, but no SN to look for, I guess.

  • farmerlucy
    farmerlucy Member Posts: 3,985
    edited July 2013

    Thanks for the info Carol. I have to admit I haven't been that dilligent about self exams, but I'll start now! Sorry you have to go through this again.  If you haven't already, you might be interested in looking at the forum Comfort Dogs under the emotional recovery (?) heading (down towards the bottom). In that there are two, count 'em two, recent cases where the ladies' dogs literally sniffed out and pointed out their BC.

  • carolpr56
    carolpr56 Member Posts: 241
    edited July 2013

    Thanks, farmerlucy - I'll check that out.

  • scrapmom40
    scrapmom40 Member Posts: 165
    edited July 2013

    Hi MarcyV - I had a double mastectomy (clean nodes, but Lymph Vascular Invasion).  Did 4 rounds of Chemo and have been on Tamoxifen for 5 years.  Now they want me to do another 5 years and like you I am wondering why I need to be on it since I don't have any breasts.  I am glad I did the 5 years (side effects have been fine other than hot flashes, night sweats and weight gain).  I just don't think I want to do another 5.  Good luck with the S/E's.

    Karen

  • rozem
    rozem Member Posts: 1,375
    edited July 2013

    tamoxifen reduces reaccurance in both the breasts and distant sites, so even though we dont have any breasts (and yes some tissue does remain) the tamox is there to hopefully deal with any micro mets in our system.  That said, if your chance of distant mets is very very low (due to size of tumor and oncotype score) then the benefits may not outweigh the risks for you.  Everyones situation is different.  % of positivity for estrogen plays a role aswell - I was 95% er positive

  • jessica749
    jessica749 Member Posts: 429
    edited July 2013

    scrapmom40 and others, correct me if I'm wrong, but for BMX people (and all others, frankly) isn't a big part of taking Tamoxifen or an AI not just for the little bit of breast tissue that maybe left, but for any DISTANT recurrence, i.e. matastasis? Isn't that the bigger picture, not just avoid local recurrence but distant recurrence? That's my understanding. I happily take any drug offered towards this end.  PS my vaginal discharge from T subsided after the first year. Wore a light day pad. Not a big deal to me. Some people are affected by much worse SE, but most are not. I'm one of those lucky ones.  Good luck to you all

  • jessica749
    jessica749 Member Posts: 429
    edited July 2013

    Yes, rozem. I posted before I saw yours added. Exactly!

  • Marcyv
    Marcyv Member Posts: 42
    edited July 2013

    Thanks for the input everyone!  I understand and I agree that any small chance I may have of staving off cancer I should take if I can.  I am back on it and will see how it goes.  Thank you! 

  • Flintviolet
    Flintviolet Member Posts: 71
    edited August 2013

    I'm late to this conversation but have been reconsidering my decision to take tamoxifen. In 2007 had dcis, stage 1 and lobular, stage 0 in my left breast. Did a lumpectomy, it wasn't in lymph nodes, and then radiation. Dr's rec'd tamoxifen but after careful consideration, research, talking to a few people, I decided against taking it. In 2011 I had breast cancer in my right (Invasive in ductal carcinoma

    2 cm

    Stage IIa (lymph node)

    Grade: 1

    Er &pr positive and her2 -)



    Dr said it was new, not a reoccurrence. I opted to have a double mx and this time went on Tamoxifen even though my oncotype test was very low (5). Now, two years later, I am considering going off tamoxifen for several reasons one of which is the impact it is having on my blood sugar. I eat a diet that is 95% clean, no sugar except for fruit exercise 6-7 days a week( strength training and cardio)...in other words, all controllable factors I'm doing all the right things...even reducing my coffe intake to 1-2 cups a day which is HUGE for me! I have and continue to discuss with my dr, but am just curious of any one elses experience?

  • farmerlucy
    farmerlucy Member Posts: 3,985
    edited August 2013

    Flintviolet - I'm taking it for stage 1a, oncotype score of 3. I didn't take it for a year after my diagnosis because of SE and other issues. I started this past April. The worst part about NOT taking it was knowing that I was not doing all I could to prevent recurrence. Now I am much more relaxed - hey - I've done all I can. Whatever will be will be. That is just me. You may feel differently. Hugs!

  • Flintviolet
    Flintviolet Member Posts: 71
    edited September 2013

    Thx for sharing farmerlucydaisy! Have you experienced many se?

  • farmerlucy
    farmerlucy Member Posts: 3,985
    edited September 2013

    Mainly hot flashes which seem to come and go. I'm on Effexor, so that helps. I blame the HFs on menopause and just go on my merry way. It is all about the "reframing" of an issue! :)

  • jillyG
    jillyG Member Posts: 401
    edited November 2013


    Hi ladies, I have been on Tamoxifen for 4.5 years now, and have an apt with my oncologist to talk about extending to 10 years. In 2008 was Dx with grade 3 IDC with clean nodes. I have had a double Mx and 4 rounds of AC chemo. I take my pill every night and can count on one hand the nights I didn't take it, like in the hospital for surgery or sick with the flu. I do have side effects that are very annoying but at 38 (33 at diagnosis) I know that I would not be able to forgive myself for not taking it and then getting a recurrence. I don't think I could look my kids in the eyes if I didn't know for sure I did everything I could (maybe I would feel differently if my SE's were unbearable). I agree with the lady that said if you take it and get a recurrence anyway, there is a slight comfort in knowing you did what you could.

  • goldengirl5
    goldengirl5 Member Posts: 2
    edited August 2014

    carolepr56, do you mind my asking how you found your recurrence, since you had had a mastectomy?  My thoughts are with you!  Thanks!

  • Youngwildnfree
    Youngwildnfree Member Posts: 4
    edited September 2014

    Hi Everyone,

    I'm in the same boat! Double mastectomy, no chem, no rad, but on Tamoxifen and Effexor. 

    I'm 31. I only had it on the right side, however didn't want to chance it on the left. 

    Did anyone experience an inflamed foot after six months of taking tamoxifen? I have been 

    so drained and weak. It's not like me at all. This foot pain is exactly like gout, but it's not. 

    The tests came back and said it's just inflamed. My docs and ocon said it wasn't a side effect,

    but I think differently. I never hit it or hurt it. Has anyone gone experienced tiredness/weakness

    and foot pain?

    Thanks for your help. 

  • kadysquared
    kadysquared Member Posts: 2
    edited April 2015

    I am questioning everything at this point. Bilateral mastectomy on 2/28/14. Effexor was prescribed at 75 mg twice a day to combat the hot flashes. Tamoxifen was basically pushed onto me by my oncologist. I had no positive nodes and my breasts are gone. I went through everything available to read on the internet. I radically changed my diet and did take both the prescribed medications: tamoxifen and effexor. A year later, still taking the drugs, here I am researching. I question "standard of care" drugs such as Tamoxifen. And effexor is basically used to combat the symptoms that tamoxifen and chemo induced menopause produce.

    If you do any googling, it's obvious that pharmaceutical companies push these meds. I laugh at my Oncotype score. It compares 5 yr survival w chemo vs 10 yr survival without. Apples and oranges. I'm grade 3. With the drugs such as tamoxifen, the oncologists make you feel like you are irresponsible if you don't take them. I do not have the answer. Personally, I can tell you I only ever took 1 75 mg of effexor a day - 1/2 the prescribed dosage - and it does control the horrible hot flashes that were constant after my chemo - however I want OFF! I get a buzzing in my head as If I were drunk if I'm even 2 hours late taking that pill. This isn't uncommon, no matter the dosage, from the friends I've talked to who are on this med.

    Secondly, I'm extremely worried over recent spotting after not having had a period in 10 months (since chemo finished). I'll make a gyno appointment soon. However, I want to quit Tamoxifen as well. "Standard of Care" is, in my humble opinion, dictated by pharmaceutical companies, in part. I want off of the drugs.

    Please do whatever feels right for you.

    God bless us all, please!




  • Tryinghardtodoright
    Tryinghardtodoright Member Posts: 1
    edited May 2015

    Thanks for your candid comments, katysquared.... I am in the same zone now but have just been prescribed my 10 years of Tamoxifen. I asked for three weeks to think things over. (I have learned SO much from this site!) I thought after a BMX and negative SNB and a 13 on the Oncotype test for a 9mm IDC that my oncologist would just say Congratulations! but now am facing either induced menopause with some other drug or this..... I just read about DIM on another forum..... Diindolylmethane.... a powerful component found in cruciferous vegetables that balances estrogen metabolism. I think I'm going to ask for my oncologist to prescribe the lowest dose of Tamoxifen and try this..... I looked it upon WebMD. No side effects.....I'm 52 pre-menapausal and already have hypothyroidism along with restless leg syndrome so the side effects of Tamoxifen do not appeal to me. She says -"Just try and see.... Everyone is different." but I asked her to run a gauntlet of blood work to get more info first. eleven vials later, I'll see where I stand. Anyway, GREAT POSTS EVERYONE. I'm new and don't know how to update diagnosis and all but am awaiting implants in August and LAVENDER OIL is helping me get through the scar tissue stage.....Thanks again!

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