Mets Concern
I'm really uncomfortable with an annoying steady pain in my upper and middle back ribs. Never had this since my dx. This feels different and I'm really concerned about it. It feels almost like a rib bruise or fracture and it hurts when I even breath. I've had fractured ribs before and know the pain but these were caused by falls in the past. I've have not fallen or injured myself lately. I told DH I was worried about possible bone mets and he just brushes it off as nothing. I saw my onc a few weeks ago for my 6 month routine visit and he did blood work, and DH says it would have showed up then. But I'm not sure of that. I'm hoping this is just arthritis. Any thoughts from anyone here?

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There's A LOT it could be without being cancer.
How's your sleep been? How's your mattress? How's your chair that you sit in at work or at the computer? Have you engaged in strenuous activity or different activity? Are you properly hydrated?
You're likely fine, but get it checked out for peace of mind.
I have this knot in my mid back, right side. But I've been moving out of my house and sleeping on a twin air mattress. Mystery solved. -
Shana, your dx in your siggy says that you had mets at DX, but that you are stage 3, which is a bit confusing.
Did you not have chemo and rads?
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Yes, confused about mets listing in your signature line. Rule of thumb is that if you have a pain for more than two weeks, see your onc. Your husband is not correct. Bone mets do not show up in blood work. Imaging and often a biopsy can confirm bone mets. That being said,it could be many other things.
Caryn -
Hi Shanagirl....agree with the others about "mets" in your signature....disagree with your DH.....tumor markers may or maynot show up mets.....agree that you should have it checked out....maybe xray to see if cracked ribs....call your onc.....and sure hope its nothing but bruised ribs!!!
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Ok so this is what I've always understood from my pathology report. My breast surgeon told me that during the mastectomy done on March 18 2009 there were cancer cells found in the SN. So he was going to go back and do axillary node dissection which was done in another surgery a few weeks later. He removed 17 more nodes which found another positive for cancer. On the pathology report from the axillary node surgery 4/7/2009 it reads:
Left Axilla, Left Axillary Node Dissection: - Metastatic Carcinoma present in one of seventeen (1/17) Lymph Nodes (seen on Pankeratin Stain Performed on Block 1C-1). The tumor is Present as a Handful of scattered Keratin Positive Cells Present in the Subcapsular Sinus of one of the Lymph Nodes - No Extranodal Extension of Tumor is Identified. Note: Taken in conjunction with the prior positive sentinal lymph node, the patient has a totoal of Two positive nodes out of a total of eighteen nodes.
So after reading this report I always believed the positive lymph nodes are considered metasticized from the primary tumor and that once lymph nodes are positive there is always a chance of distant mets even after removing metastatic carcinoma in the lymph nodes. So when I filled out the diagnosis part of the profile I checked of mets in lymph nodes.
Barb
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Barb, seems you had localized metastasis. That is not the same as distant metastasis, which puts one at Stage IV. Maybe you should take the "mets" out of your signature because having it there makes it appear you are Stage IV when you are not. Of course those of us who had positive nodes always worry that it could have spread. But until and unless we find out it has, we are not Stage IV. Best wishes!
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This is all really overhelming because I was diagnosed on January 13, 2008 with IDC, Mastectomy was done in March 18 2009, and the Axillary node dissection was done in April 6 2009, so the final path report was April 7, 2009. Wow, after pulling this report out again I'm seeing it differently now. So even though the path report says "Metastatic Carcinoma in lymph nodes present" I've never considered that I have mets, but now since reading this again I'm even more concerned about the rib pain
Barb
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Barb, I understand your concern...it seems I have something all the time now
I will say I do have rib pain from time to time, opposite side in the back. Hurts to touch but not breath as you said, it comes then goes, then several weeks maybe month later it will be back, then gone again. Is it getting worse or staying the same? Does pain meds help it go away? The 2 wk rule is hard for me because I've had stuff last longer than that but is nothing. If it has been a while since your last scan, might not hurt and give you reassurance. Peace of mind means alot
This probably wasn't much help, let me know how it goes sweetie....HUGS!
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Thanks all, I'll just keep aware of the pain and check with my onc if it continues more than a week. I guess like many here the fear of progression is always present.
Barb -
Barb, there is always the chance of distant mets, with or without lymph node involvement. As others have explained, positive lymph nodes are not considered mets, even if it is called that on the path.
Did you have rads? My surgeon told me that you can get rib fractures from rads even 5 and 10 years later.
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Hang in there Barb! As a fellow stage 3 girl , with multiple aches, pains , all over, I become so worried about mets at times. It is so hard to contain the worry! THe two week rule is a good one , but sometimes I let it go longer than that and it disappears.
I don't know if this is helpful or not, but because of arthritis and joint pain from AI's , when it is about to storm, I get terribly achy almost unbearable. RIbs, headaches, knees, feet, hips, etc. Since it has rained here almost everyday this summer with terrible storms, my joints have become my barometer. Perhaps , arthritis or as momine says radiation damage is the cause?
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Hi Barb, If i could chime in. Please keep in mind that us gilrs with positive lymph nodes all have " mets to Lymph nodes" which simply put is the BC spread to the lymph nodes.
Metastatic BC /Stage IV means a totally different scenario where the Mets/Spread id to distant organs, brain, etc.
You are a stage III with positive lymph nodes.
As far as the upper and mid back pain. It could be a number of NON metastatic issues. Try to relax, take something for the discomfort and see if it gets better in 2 weeks time. If it remains the same or gets worse, despite rest and some mild analgesics you need to have it checked out further. My money is on that it's not a " baddie"
Take Care.
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Barb...sorry for the new concern about rib pain. It's amazing how a new pain can now cause such fear and worry. Don't have any great wisdom to share as it looks like you've received a lot already...sounds like a good plan to wait and watch...I am hoping it's nothing to fear and you can get back to enjoying summer!!
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Unfortunately, your DH in incorrect about the blood tests. My mom's Stage IIIa cancer eventually came back to her bones and it never showed up on her blood tests. She had a lot of pain in her back and ribs and after a few weeks, they finally did a scan and found the mets.
As others have mentioned, if the pain continues for more than 2 weeks, definitely get it checked out ASAP. Very likely to be non-cancer related but you have to be sure because if it is mets, you'll want to get a treatment plan in place right away.
Wishing you the best and hoping this is nothing more than a back sprain.
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I am sorry to butt into this Stage III thread but I feel so strongly that I had to comment. From June until November, 2012 I had 8 different appointments with a urologist, a GYN and my oncologist. At every appointment I said I felt like I had a UTI. I was having pain and a weird sensation. All three doctors phooed me off. The urologist went as far as to tell me, "You have had cancer in the past. You are waiting for the axe to fall again. Quit worrying about cancer." When doctors tell you that you are a hypochondriac, you start to believe it. To make it worse my tumor markers are not reliable. The day I was diagnosed with mets my TMs were normal. To make a long story short, I did have mets to my pelvis. A tumor had gotten so large that it permanently damaged my right kidney. You know your body better than anyone. If you are concerned, seek help. I am not trying to scare you but rather to encourage you to listen to your body and get help if you believe you need it.
I also follow the two week rule. If something is bothering me after two weeks, I let my doctor know.
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Thank you ! Everyone has given me information that I have also thought about. I just want to say that even though I've always known my path report mentioned Metastatic Carcinoma present in 2 nodes I've never thought of it being a Stage IV. I've known that I'm Stage IIIa and like all of us 3ers I do worry about progression to distant organs. It's something my oncologist reminds me of all the time when I tell him I don't want to take the hormonals. He says "but your stage III". I guess this is something you never get out of your mind once you've been disgnosed with BC. Progression is always the fear for all of us no matter what stage we are
Barb
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Momine~~I had forgotten...my RO told me the same thing about the chance for fractured ribs in the future.
Paula -
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shanagirl...been thinking of you and hoping your rib pain has resolved it's self....if not, please keep us posted as to how you are doing and if you decide to have it checked out!
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hopefour, the rib pain has subsided over the past week or so. I'm on the computer right now because I'm having trouble settling down to go to bed for the night.
So here I be ladies. A regular lady of the night. I'm going to keep my onc posted on the rib pain that is also in my hip. Geesh, it's always something to worry about.
Paula, my onc told me the same thing about how easy it is for rib fracture after rads. I was gardening last year and tripped on a slope on the walkway. I went flying and landed smack down on my side. When I hit the ground I felt the the sidewalk smash against my side were the lymph nodes were removed and the side of my reconstruction, and ribs. Youch!! I thought I ruined the reconstructed breast mound from the tram flap or smashed some dormant cancer cells into my chest wall on the side. I landed with my arm up over my head on the side. I ended up fracturing ribs 4 thru 7. Really hurt
It always shows up on my scans that they were fractured.
Momine What did your surgeon mean by Fractures 5 and 10 years out? Now I have something new to worry about. Ha you just can't win with BC worries.
Barb
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It really sux that anytime we get hit with an ache or new pain, our minds automatically run to "is it mets?" Right before I started chemo I started having pain in my left hip. I would read in bed until I fell asleep, and within 30 minutes of nodding off, I woke up with a horrible burning pain in that hip. I started keeping a tube of aspercreme on the nightstand. When the pain hit I'd rub the cream on it and it would go away within minutes. I figured if something as simple as aspercreme could alleviate it for up to 24 hours it must not be mets. It finally (after a few weeks) stopped hurting at all, but it was scary.
Before starting rads my onc put me through a series of scans looking for bone mets to the shoulder & lower right spine. I kept telling her, I have had bursitis in that shoulder, and have degenerative disc disease. The scans were iffy until they did a pet scan which was clean. She still had a bone surgeon look at everything to see if I needed a bone biopsy. He saw no abnormalities.
Now, everytime I see my onc, she looks at me with concern and asks if I'm sure there's no pain, and tells me we have to keep an eye on it. She's redoing all the scans at the 6 month mark in December.
I have great attitude ( I think ) and great faith in God "My Healer," but everytime she asks me these questions it gets the worries stirred up again.
It's like she's thinking, "It's not IF, it's WHEN!"
Paula -
Paula, your onc sounds like my onc. If I mention pain anywhere he schedules me for scans. This has happened twice already following my pre treatment scans. When he schedules me he puts "restaging" on the papers for the radiologists and I get so paranoid over it. Now when I get pain in my hips or ribs and spine, I'm not so quick to mention it to him. I see him every 6 months and when I saw him in June I wasn't experiencing any pain. I did give him a hard time over continuing Aromasin. I told him this is a quality of life issue for me and he always tells me "but you are stage III. Um I do know that doc but I still don't want to continue the AI's. So now I have not gone back on them since my knee replacement surgery in January. I feel much better off them but I am still nervous about recurrence. I guess I am my own worst enemy
Barb -
SAMayoFL - what type of scan found your mets to the pelvis? I'm mildly freaked out about injuring my "bad" hip over 2 weeks ago. Actually I didn't feel any pain at the time because I was just pruning some volunteer trees, but for 2 weeks my hip has ached. I need to know what type of scan/test found your mets. I have come to the conclusion that some docs have a pretty unconcerned attitude while others are hell bent on talking the worst scenario.
Shelly
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Shelly, I was also wondering about scan finding mets to the pelvis. My onc has previously told me that he had dealt with mets to some past patients and this is why he doesn't fool around when it comes to any type of pain in lower back, hip etc. He always considers the worst scenario as he always tells me "it's my job to keep the cancer from coming back"
Barb -
On a routine follow up appt they usually do no xrays or CT scans unless you have issues at the time. I would for sure request to be seen if your pain continues. Likely from other things. I was sent back after 6 years w/arm and shoulder pain/weakness to see a Neurologist. He did an MRI and lesion found-led to a biopsy and yes my breast ca has returned in collar bone area and maybe 1cm in one lung. So, yes breast cancer will evenually rear its ugly head again but they really don't know how long it may be. I am 65 now.
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Hey ladies
GrammyR, just wondering what symptoms you had with mets to collarbone? I have had hard lump on collarbone, near sternum, for about 5 months now (on my right side, same as cancer side). It has become a bit larger over past couple of weeks and is now painful (hard to sleep and to lift tops over my head). My neck is also very stiff/sore. I saw BS about a month ago and had xray. Am due to see her again on Friday re a bone scan. I am hoping it is just arthritis (maybe due to the chemo?) although I am only 49 and have never had problems with it before. I have also had issues with shortness of breath for about 9 months.
I guess I am just worrying that it may be mets......although I know that this is unlikely as I am node negative. Any advice/input would be appreciated! Thanks
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GrammyR - what was your treatment at time of DX, i.e., lumpectomy, mastectomy, chemo, rads? Was your onc telling you that BC always returns or are you just believing it-? I hope not.
Rowan47 - I had the same question for my onc about others not being node positive and yet, are stage 4. She explained it is possible to not have any cancer in nodes and have mets -- cancer will travel via bloodstream. Keep positive though and if you are in doubt, ask your onc.
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shanagal...glad the ribs feel better..sorry now the hip is a bit of concern! Yes, it always seems like there is a pain that leads our thinking to the "what if" question!! Hope it all shows to be nothing if you decided to have it checked out!!
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I've had a heavy, congested feeling in lungs and cough for about 3 weeks. Could this be side effect of Arimidex? I keep wondering if the cancer has gone to my lungs. Anyone else ever had this?
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Ninja, probably just a cold, but if it is more than 2 weeks, the rule of thumb is to give your doc a holler. According to mine, they should listen to your lungs and give you a chest X-ray (I had some lung funk last summer, which turned out ot be nothing).
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